Many posters on here just hate Obama, period. I didn't vote for him. I
supported Romney and was dissapointed that he lost. One of the major reasons
Romney lost was hispanics and others voters overwhelmingly voted Democrat. I
don't blame them. The Republican party has become the anti-immigration
party. The far right of the party views all immigrants as lazy, freeloaders and
believe they just want gov't handouts. The far right loves to stereotype
people. All dems are socialist and just want to create a welfare state so they
can retain political power. I could go on. It is time to end to the tea party.
They represent the extremists in the Republican party. They are nothing like
Reagan who they continue to idolize. Based on some of the comments posted here
there are a lot of sore loosers out there. I have never seen this country so
polarized. Polarization leads to gridlock in congress. What a sad state of
I will pray for him. And I will also pray for angry people whose prayers are
only expressions of that anger. That is not a good kind of praying and I'm
afraid that that kind of praying will be in Vein.Get it?Vein.He's the guy that might have cost Mia Love the election.I snuck
that one in there. Heh heh. Forgive me. I'm a Dem and rather giddy this
I support the Constitution of the United States. I do not support a wannabe
dictator who is doing everything he can to destroy that Constitution.
>LDS Liberal>Follow the Prophet.>Anything otherwise else
considered Apostate.>You're skating on some very VERY thin
ice...Brother Marksen.Liberal, you have got to be saying this with
tongue in cheek. The PROPHET himself has said that it is up to us individually
to pray and receive answers to what the general authorities say. We are not to
be sheep and just follow blindly. That said, Brother Marksen has a very good
point and I agree with him. I will pray for the President, pray that his heart
is softened and his actions are in accordance with what God would have him do
for our country. I will pray that he wakes up and recognizes that certain
things are sinful practices and should be condemned not condoned. I personally
feel that our top government officials are part of the Gadiaton robbers and they
seek what Satan seeks, that is to enslave mankind and rob him of his God given
liberty.I only hope that Obama seek advice from Romney on how to get us
out of the financial mess we are in.
To just-commenting, re Alma 1:30Those folks were charitable on their own
free will and accord. Having charity forced on folks at threat of going to
jail is not the same. Charity to those of my choosing and choice is
blessing from God. Being taxed and having programs paid for that I don't
believe in or support is simply wrong. If a person believes another person
should have paid abortions, let that person be charitable to the other. If I
desire a starving person to eat, I'll contribute to the cause. But I will
not make you do that. Forcibly taking money from people in the name of
taxation, and spending it on things they think are morally wrong, is, well,
@ patriotCedar Hills, UT"I understand the
First Presidency Message. They had to say it and honestly it was the right thing
to say as a general statement but let's be real here for a minute ... how
many latter day saints feel that praying for Barack Obama is going to change his
heart? It is like praying for Korahor or Gadianton for heaven sake. I guess
anything is possible with the Lord but men have their free agency and Obama has
shown who he is and what he is and there is no mistaking it. Yes pray for the
president and pray for your country but also remember this passage in the Book
of Mormon from the prophet Mormon...."Sometimes people are
inspired and DO change. Think of Paul for example. Indeed there are accounts of
large numbers of individuals, or groups, changing. It might happen, a few
prayers every night for guidance of ourselves or others might be great
Everything can be possible & remember that the President alone has not been
alone in some of the things you dislike. Congress has certainly been involved
and about 50% of the people have been of different opinions on many issues.
Objectively speaking, there was a billion dollars and a billion prayers that did
not work as designed. Keep religion out of politics. Romney was very successful
in doing that intentionally. If he wore his religion on his sleeve, he would
have got electoral votes only from Utah.
2ozn44ozglass - you asked "how would you have responded had the First
Presidency asked all Americans to pray for Romney?"Is this a
serious question? What kind of answer do you expect. Of course we would pray
for the leaders of our nation regardless of what silly party they align
themselves with. Just as we prayed for Bush when he was President, and
didn't agree with every decision of that administration.The
fact that question was even raised is a bit alarming - that people think
morality and following church leaders admonishments is dependent on who won a
particular election. Take a chill pill folks... there will be yet
another election in 4 more years. Don't sacrifice your ethics based on the
results of a particular election. A good vibrant debate doesn't need to
mean you hate the other person.... at least I would hope not.
@22ozn44ozglass"So I ask these questions of all of the Obama
apologists and supporters from the reasonable and civil ones to the rabid an
irrational/contentious ones: how would you have responded had the First
Presidency asked all Americans to pray for Romney? "If it were a
statement like this one that respected Obama in defeat like it did Romney,
I'd be fine with it. My concern is about what a Republican Congress left
unchecked would pass, not what a church says. If Romney won but Dems still held
the senate, I wouldn't be too worried about the future. If Republicans took
over all of it, I'd probably be like some of the conservatives who think
we're going down the drain.Speaking of which, to those who
think that way... you still have the House, and the filibuster in the senate,
Obama won't get much done.
Redshirt1701Deep Space 9, UtTo "LDS Liberal" I have never
wished for his failure. 1:43 p.m. Nov. 7, 2012=============
You once again NEVER answered the question Red;Are you going
to follow the Prophet and Apostles and pray for President Obama?Yes
or No?WildcatO-town, UT5:08 p.m. Nov. 7, 2012Great Comment!
We should and must support the man elected by the voice of the people. I just
wish I was more certain that is the case. I read the article in the washington
times about the tens of thousands of our military risking their lives overseas
who were prevented from voting by the ineptitude of Obama and his administration
in providing the correct ballots and adequate voting locations. Because the
military is overwhelmingly against Obama that may have changed some states
outcome. This ineptitude is similar to his lack of leadership in mundane issues
like missing 0ver 60% of his daily security briefings, and not even calling
cabinet meetings for six months at a time. While praying for our leaders,
let's pray for a senate to gain the fortitude to finally do something
positive like following the law and finalize a budget.
@ A Scientist: Ah, come on, don't generalize so much. Regarding the following comment you posted: "I opposed Romney for two key
reasons: His deceptions ("flip-flopping") and his religion, as a matter
of principle." This flip-flop mantra that has been plastered
upon Mitt is probably deserved to a degree, but please bestow the same label
upon all other candidates (Obama is one) who also flip and flop. Obama can claim
he is evolving in his position on gay marriage, but if Mitt "evolves" on
abortion it is called flip-flopping. Why the bias?I would be very
intersted in knowing what about Mitt's religion would cause you, in
principle, to not vote for him.
@McBillay: The way charity and helping the poor as outlined in the scriptures
(particularly the Book of Mormon) does not equate with how the government
current administers to the poor. To claim the high road, assuming you represent
the liberal view in what you claim against Republicans, regarding the treatment
and care for the poor is misguided on your part. The current trend of expecting
to receive without also seeking to keep ones dignity by, in some form or
fashion, working for it, will only get worse -- unless some true reform is
considered. Certainly there are some (both Democratic and Republican) who are
greedy and don't want to share what they have, but I believe that most do.
But it is a slippery slope to have the government dictate how much to take and
redistribute -- and to do so wastefully and inefficiently.
@George. The lack of compromise went, and continues to go, both ways. Neither
party is very appealing at this moment, and Obama has been less than
Presidential in many respects. The Democratic Senate didn't even bring
Obama's budget plan to a vote. The House did offer up a budget, which the
do nothing Senate sat on. Obama initially tried to compromise and talk to the
other side, but only after Republicans took the House 2 years later. Consider
also that Romney, aside from his own gaffs, had most of the media against him,
was brutally asaulted in the primaries by his own, which only continue into the
general election by the Obama election machine. Romney had 80% negative adds
from the Democrates aired against him. It is no wonder he didn't survive.
It's not just the GOP's downfall we witnessed, but the downfall of
bi-partisan politics and statesmanship. Too many in our country seem to want
someone they can adore and ogle over as President, not someone with true
leadership and problem solving capabilities.
To Rick2009: "I thought prayer needed to be followed by faith, and I have
no faith in our leaders."Not necessarily. Even the prophet
Mormon prayed for his apostate people towards the end but without faith. He
still prayed, and he even led them again until they were anhiliated. Mormon
3:12--"...and my soul had been poured out in prayer unto my God all the day
long for them; nevertheless, it was without faith, because of the hardness of
I am not LDS and was going to post that its a great gesture to see the LDS
church ask for their members to pray for our president. It was sad to once
again see that the teachings of the LDS church and the venomus comments some of
its members post dont align. I Pray for the president that he can find a way to
bring the country together and that all the sore losers come to realize that
regardless of who is president our country has been in decline for about 20
years based on our lack of education system and also because we have spent years
trying to show the world we are the leaders rather than taking care of our own
internal issues. May which ever god you pray and believe in give you peace and
help us all find a way to get some common ground and move forward.
I think that the main thing people who pray, and those who don't, can do is
to be better people, that we may not suffer the destruction that is staring us
in the face.
Very sad day. Depressed to the core.
A scientist -There are many who made comments that they would pray
for Obama as our president even though they voted for Romney. I wonder that you
only choose to focus on the negative comments instead of feeling glad for those
who would wish well the man you wanted. All groups have people who
are inconsistent - there are even those who hate religion and demonstrate
inconsistencies with what they believe.
"You go ahead and keep telling yourself that to help you feel
better..."Do you have any evidence to the contrary? I
haven't seen anything to suggest that most Americans voted against Romney
for his religion rather than his policy.
22ozn44ozglass,I will call your bluff and raise you a bravado."how would you have responded had the First Presidency asked all
Americans to pray for Romney?"If Romney had won, I'm
certain the Church leaders would have issued a press release almost identical to
the one the released when Obama won. They are discrete men up there. Even I can
appreciate that."I wonder how many of the Obama apologists and
supporters would honestly say-"our guy lost-I am now getting behind Romney
and work on solving this nations problems and I am not going be a "sore
loser"? and actually do so."I can state without reservation
that is exactly what I would have done. I commented a number of times that I
thought both Romney and Obama would do a good job as POTUS. I still believe
that. Our system of government has too many checks and balances, and is designed
to distribute the power enough to protect against the frailties of one
individual.I opposed Romney for two key reasons: His deceptions
("flip-flopping") and his religion, as a matter of principle.If he had won, I would desire his success.
Have been and will continue to Pray for the Leaders of our Nation regardless of
who leads or what party they belong to. I pray they will be guided to do those
things that will preserve freedom and liberty. Freedom and Liberty are precious
to me to assure I can worship the Heavenly Father of us all and His Son Jesus
@patsy 1:06 pm"...nearly 50% of America voted AGAINST your
socialist president George - that represents about 140 million
people...".As reported @7:00 PM 11/7/12:The vote for
President Obama was 60,567,122 representing 50% of the vote.The vote
for romney was 57,744,506 representing 48% of the vote.140,000,000?Your failure to do basic research, to support your
position, condems your efforts to be simple hyperbolic partisanship.
Noodlekaboodle wrote:"I think a lot of LDS people are
overlooking the major victory that LDS people all over this country made during
this election. Mitt did lose. But he lost because Americans didn't agree
with his policies, not because of his religion."You go ahead and
keep telling yourself that to help you feel better...
Before Election Day, I was pretty disgusted with the bad-mouthing, lies, and
vitriol spewed by the religious and Republican crowd as the castigated our
President. I couldn't imagine anyone stooping so low, especially under the
banner of "Christians".But reading these comments, I must
stand corrected. These people have stooped LOWER!Amazing! And very,
very disappointing. I really expected more from people claiming to be
"Christian".Obviously, I was wrong.
After reading all the comments and reading Facebook today, I can say that the
leadership of the church gets it and it appears that many of the members of the
church don't. It also is a glimpse into the frustration that the prophets
of old must have felt when they would tell the people what they needed to do to
be right with the Lord and they were rejected.
mountainman said "Wasn't it Mark Twain who said in one of
his books, "You can't pray a lie"? I can't pray and ask God to
help any leader destroy our country! "Well, that would be
relevant if some of us held Mark Twain was the leader of our church.... but he
isn't the leader of mine, and I don't take my moral direction from
him. In fact, Twain wasn't too much a fan or mormonism as exampled when he
wrote"Am I a friend to the Mormon religion? No. I would like to
see it extirpated, but always by fair means, not these Congressional
rascalities. If you can destroy it with a book, -- by arguments and facts, not
brute force, -- you will do a good and wholesome work." (letter written to
Mrs. Fields while in Hartford in 1886)So no, I don't put much
into Mr. Twains opinions. But choose who you will to follow - that is your
After reading the comments from the Obama apologists, I wonder how different the
timbre and content of their posts would be were Romney elected POTUS. So I ask
these questions of all of the Obama apologists and supporters from the
reasonable and civil ones to the rabid an irrational/contentious ones: how would
you have responded had the First Presidency asked all Americans to pray for
Romney? I wonder how many of the Obama apologists and supporters
would honestly say-"our guy lost-I am now getting behind Romney and work on
solving this nations problems and I am not going be a "sore loser"? and
actually do so. Even though this is hypothetical, I would hope that
all Obama supporters would honestly and with all truth & soberness answer my
The American People have spoken - Barack Obama is our President for another four
years. You may not agree with his policies, and that is okay,
that's what this country is all about. But some of the comments on here are
the lowest forms of human intelligence I have ever read/heard and must be
contrary to any teachings of your Christ. The good news; all of you
that loathe our President, well, you are in the Minority.
Pray for him, fine. But I see no need to congratulate him.
It looks like the Romney Reader is going to have to go back to being the
D-News...I told you it would happen.The bitterness is strong in
some--getting upset because the LDS leaders want their members to pray for the
President? Wow.Forward we go as a Nation! Hallelujah and amen!Oh by the way, I thought Romney's concession speech was great. If
only he was ran his campaign as his own person and tried to be a
moderate...could have been a whole lot different.Looks like Harry
Reid remains the highest-ranked LDS politician. If you want a Mormon Moment,
it's Harry Reid in 2016! I would think Huntsman would be a good choice for
the GOP--but they are probably going to tack very far to the right next time.I pray for all of you on this board--some of you more than others! :-)
God bless us all.Your Buddy,Wildcat
I really really wanted Romney to win. I am 28, I am young, I know that. I have
never cared so much about an election and when Obama was announced the winner it
literally felt like someone punched me in the stomach. I was ornery the rest of
the night. Now that I have had a chance to let it sink in, I will just say
although I do not agree with who the president is, I love the USA, we live in
the greatest country in the world, and I do pray that we can get out of this
recession and I pray for President Obama's success. He is the President
and I will support him as hard as it is for me to do. Good run by Romney, he
convinced nearly half the nation.
I've made it a habit to pray for the leaders of the U.S. and other
nations.I pray for them to have wisdom and be guided by what is best
for their people and all the people of the world, rather than their own personal
agendas or ambitions. Seeing the kind of people that most leaders of most
nations are, that is the prayer they need most.And seeing the
quality of political leadership America has had recently, I pray even more
fervently for America than I do for its leaders.
I strongly feel that LDS Canadians should pray for Obama as well as the
Americans and we should pray for a spiritual conversion for him as well since
he's for Abortion and for Gay rights since only the Lord can convict him on
those two moral issues.
If the communication between the Executive Branch and Legislative Branch is
(continues to be) as vitriolic and dysfunctional as what we see among everyday
Americans in the blogosphere, such as we see in this thread of comments, we are
toast--Game Over.If you don't want to pray for the President,
then pray for America.
As demonstrated above religion and politics should not be mixed.
its always strikes me how the same posters that use their religion to try to
defend their politics and claim that to question their political opinion is the
same as attacking on their religion are so quick to turn their back on their
religious leaders counsel when it does not fit their political agenda.
Wasn't it Mark Twain who said in one of his books, "You can't pray
a lie"? I can't pray and ask God to help any leader destroy our
country! I can't pray and ask God to bless a leader who is wrong on every
moral issue! Ask God to help Obama provide more abortions? Ask God to help Obama
lead our country into more debt? Ask God to help Obama cover-up more scandals?
Ask God to help Obama waste more tax money?
To "just-commenting" you are wrong. Charity and the aid of the needy is
not forced.You need to go and learn more about LDS doctrine. What
we saw was exactly what we have been warned about in modern times. See D&C
56:17 "17 Wo unto you poor men, whose hearts are not broken, whose spirits
are not contrite, and whose bellies are not satisfied, and whose hands are not
stayed from laying hold upon other men’s goods, whose eyes are full of
greediness, and who will not labor with your own hands!".The
poor are taking (through the laws and taxation) from the wealthy.Also, read Jacob 2. There we learn that it is up to each individual (not
government) to help the hungry and needy.Also see D&C 58:26
"For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that
is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant;
wherefore he receiveth no reward."Why do yo want to destroy us
by forcing us into charity?To "LValfre" in 20 to 30 years we
will be cursing Obama's policies and debts.
Really..... there are people on this earth that some deem unworthy of ones
prayers.... wow.You have a direct example from the leaders of the
church of one of the candidates, and yet still some will put politics ahead of
faith. Things have absolutely gone upside down.My son is serving a
mission in a former soviet block county, one still struggling with the idea of
what freedom is.... and in this small country you have members faithfully living
the gospel, praying for their leaders. And yet here, in a country where we
enjoy one of the most free lifestyles of any in the world, we have those who
feel they have the judgement enough to decide who is worthy of prayer or not.I am worried for America - but not because of Obama, nor Romney, but
those who think they are in a place to judge other people and decide who is
worthy of prayer.
@Redshirt1701"A president's success is not measured by the
bills he pushed, but by how well the nation prospers while he is in
office."I beg to differ. This is an important measurement but
the policies, bills, and changes implemented will potentially last for many
years. The end result of these programs will be measured for many years. Some
may do great now (bailouts) and crash and burn later. Some will do nothing now
and in 20-30 years we may be thanking our lucky stars Obama put them in place.
@patriot If you really believe half of what you posted I would suggest a
little more history lessons and a little less posting in your future. You do
realize the founding fathers had conflicting views on the role of government?
You do of courser realize the founding fathers only where able to establish our
form of government and therefore our country because in the end they where
willing to compromise, right?
The presidential election was good news for the country last night. The winning
party stands on principles of the Gospel stated in the Book of Mormon. ". .
. they did not send away any who were naked, or that were hungry, or that were
athirst, or that were sick, or that had not been nourished; and they did not set
their hearts upon riches; therefore they were liberal to all, both old and
young, both bond and free, both male and female, whether out of the church or in
the church, having no respect to persons as to those who stood in need."
Alma 1:30.The outcome showed that we can hope for Christian charity,
honesty, and love for ALL of God's children.
Therefore, choose you by the voice of this people, judges, that ye may be judged
according to the laws which have been given you by our fathers, which are
correct, and which were given them by the hand of the Lord.Now it is
not common that the voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which
is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the people to desire that
which is not right; therefore this shall ye observe and make it your
law—to do your business by the voice of the people.And if the
time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time
that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will
visit you with great destruction...Mosiah 29
Welcome to the new United States. Home of the lazy and dependent.Those
looking for work need not apply. We will just provide a free cell phone and flat
screen TV.I pray that Obama will take money from his offshore
investments and put it into Obamacare as an example that we should help each
other willingly. Not forcefully as those that voted for him.
To "LDS Liberal" I have never wished for his failure. If he is a
failure as a President, then the nation is also failing.I have hoped
for his policies to fail to be implemented. His success is the success of the
nation. I will continue to do as I have for a long time. I will pray for the
success and prosperity of this nation.A president's success is
not measured by the bills he pushed, but by how well the nation prospers while
he is in office. So far I would not consider his actions as helping us to
prosper. He will go down in history as a failure BECAUSE of his policies, not
because of a failure to implement policies.
Patriot, I do believe you need to start your own communist country where your
goverment can then make everyone believe exactly as you do. You obviously want
to go so far as to mandate religion, and rant about killing babies. Guess what,
even your beloved Romney believed in killing babies in the case of rape, incest,
and if the life of the mother was endangered. Now, maybe you believe in zero
tolerance for abortions; if so, I hope you voted for a candidate that felt the
same, and I hope you belong to a religion that feels the same. Otherwise, your
words are meaningless to me!
To Patriot:Your quotation from Mormon is right on point, however, as I
read all the prophets of the Book of Mormon as well as Isaiah, Jeremiah,
Malachi, and The Doctrine and Covenants the reason for destruction of the fair
ones(be it Jerusalem or the nephites) was pride, inequality of wealth and
education, grinding the face of the poor (Isaiah 3:15), and environmental
destruction (eating up the vineyard , Isaiah 3:14). I don't see the Lord
ever complaining about universal health care, banking regulations, or
@patriot"it was YOUR party that booed God during your convention!!!
"No, our party booed the fact that they clearly had the votes to
prevent the God language from being reinserted (since they think it's best
to have language that is neutral with regards to religion in order to be more
inclusive of people who aren't Christian) but were ignored by party
leadership. They were booing the party leadership, not God. Then again,
don't let context stop you from making a partisan baseless attack.
re:Georgenearly 50% of America voted AGAINST your socialist
president George - that represents about 140 million people. I think I have some
company in my "extreme views". I will always keep my "extreme
views" of small government as our founders (Washington, Jefferson, Adams,
Madison) set forth oh and my "extreme views" that life is sacred oh and
that gigantic debt is a bad thing oh and a strong military in a dangerous world
is a good thing etc.... Recall that in the 1750's Washington , Jefferson,
and the other framers of our constitution were considered "mad men" with
extreme views to be avoided by King George and his group of tyrants. George -
unbounded entitlements are unsustainable and it doesn't matter if you
believe it or not - the reality will soon come crushing down just like it has
for Greece. What will you say George when the entitlements are gone? Whose fault
will it be? Who will we tax ? Who will we borrow from? Remember George - it was
YOUR party that booed God during your convention!!! Who is the extreme one here?
@ute alumniOnce again bringing up Jeremiah Wright. That helped your
candidates so well in both 2008 and 2012. We'll never know if he would have
asked Americans to pray for Mitt Romney. In case you weren't watching the
news last night, Mitt Romney did not win the election. Why
don't we work with what we have, not conjecture. How does constant vitriol
move us forward?
RE:dallas realist, Cant we all just get along.We prayed for peace,
while I was at the V.A. With other Vietnam veterans on 11/6/12 ,When I was told
that Retired Special Forces and Navy SEALS Headed to Polls, Counter Black
Panther Presence, Here's the bottom line: Voters who may have otherwise
been intimidated by union thugs or the presence of the New Black Panthers will
certainly be encouraged when they see their polls flanked by heroes of the U.S.
military. 500 Admirals and Generals Endorsed Gov. Romney
The national political scene (and to a lesser extent, the local) is sorely
lacking in morality and a belief in God, two elements that John Adams declared
were necessary for our form of government to function.But this turning
away from God is consistent with the description of the Second Coming.Whether we are ten years out or a hundred is beside the point; we are living
the end times.
Cant we all just get along? Ya last night I felt sick to my stomach but Ill get
over it. Obama is not a bad president, we have had worse. The main thing I am
worried about is Obamacare. please no !
I thought prayer needed to be followed by faith, and I have no faith in our
"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense,
founded on the Christian religion." Our Founding Fathers 1797 could not
have said it better! The President represents all people of America, religious
and non-religious alike. This is a major victory for those who do not adhere to
the Christian religion which is the way out country was inteded to be run!
Don't blame me. I voted for Gary Johnson. I didn't vote for the lesser
of two evils. So my conciense is clear.
Sour grapes of Biblical proportions!
@Democrat 9:41Well said!!Congratulations President
Obama.Congratualtions to Mr. Romney for given his best to his campaign.We are not a country of losers. We are not a country of Democrats. We
are not a country of Republicans. We are a country of Americans. It is time to
go back to the basics.
Wonder if mitt would have won if Jeremiah wright would have asked for all to
pray for him, I don't think so
While praying for our newly, democratically re-elected president, perhaps some
introspection, self reflection and humility -- not to mention gratitude -- could
be added to the mix. We are the greatest nation in history not because we spend
our time and energy ranting and foaming about differences, but because we have
always figured out a way to rise above our differences and find common ground.
To move forward. That is our true hope for progress and for peace. Prayer alone
won't get us there. It's time to put our shoulder to the wheel and
push like never before. Together. That is my prayer.
re no fit in SGSometimes the answer is no.
Redshirt1701Deep Space 9, UtGood morning RedShirt.I'm surprised to see you here.Tell me RedShirt.Are YOU going to follow the Prophet and pray for the President, or are
you going to continue to trash talk and wish his failure (and our own) demise?
It's always entertaining reading the comments on here. I am happy to see
many level headed people who are ready to move forward and get this country
moving again. Kudos to the church for their gracious statement, I am
glad our church is presided over by calm and wise people. And then
of course we have the commentators comparing Obama to Korihor and Gadianton,
those kinds of comments are what keep me coming back here when I need a good
@patriot,Thanks for the laughs as usual. Your beliefs and generation
is aging and soon will be nill. The youth is moving forward with a new,
enlightened view of the world. One where we accept everyone, love all, and
don't push our beliefs on the public at large.
@Andrew J Marksen: You are correct about one thing...you're comments are
distasteful, un-Christian and offensive to every American Citizen. My God does
not take political sides nor does He believe that anything is leading to
"the destruction of the family". No, perhaps the President does not
need your prayers...but you definitely need ours.
"May our national leaders reflect the best in wisdom and judgment as they
fulfill the great trust afforded to them by the American people."The above injunction by our General Authorities has only positive intentions
and it follows the Lord's commandment on such a practice which some of you
have already quoted. None supports evil principles or gives a pass to those who
endorse them. Whether or not Pres. Obama is touched by the Spirit, as we pray
for him to do so, is up to him. What we have to deal with is whether we will
have the moral courage to follow the prophet in this and every other way.
America didn't get into danger overnight nor without a great deal of
complicity among the citizenry. I believe we, though, as covenant people, need
to step up to the moral issues we've kept out of the public arena during
this election period. As a group we focused almost entirely on business and
money. Romney savaged family-values candidates until he was the only Republican
left standing. How we live our religion is critical to influence effective
Constitutional government. What we do next is the key.
To "LDS Liberal" you said "Follow the Prophet. Anything otherwise
else considered Apostate." Does that mean you are now open admitting that
you are apostate?Afterall, you believe in moral relativity (nothing
is black and white), you firmly believe in socialism, and have even advocated
for drug abuse.Prophets have declared that moreal relativity,
socialism, and drug abuse are wrong, yet you believe in them.So,
does this mean you are finally coming clean and are openly admitting to the
world your standing with the gospel?
Just MeI agree that it comes from both sides. I pointed out the
republican side because since Obama won I have seen more hateful comments
towards Obama supporters then I have seen from the other side. The whole point
is, everybody votes who they feel will benefit them and the country. That
doesn't make anybody dumb because they have a different view on policy or
anything for that matter. The cards fell where they fell and the people have
spoken. Calling names to another party has never been productive.LDS liberal - Just because people called you apostate doesn't actually
mean you are apostate. Everybody has different opinions and thats ok. My point
was that nobody should be calling anybody apostate. I am, by definition an
apostate of the mormon church. I chose to not be a part of it because I
don't believe it anymore. And the persecution I have seen because of it
makes me know that I made the right decision. I would never want to be a part of
a religion that makes people feel guilty or persecuted when they change their
mind and leave. Don't call anybody apostate.
We understood through broadcast media, printed media, social media, and word of
mouth, that millions of people throughout the world were praying for a Romney
victory prior to the election.
@patriot Did you ever stop to think maybe it is not the rest of the
country that is a problem but rather your extreme views and empty rhetoric that
is the problem?
God bless everyone, no exceptions.
@liberal ted the failure to even consider compromise was part of Romney
and the GOP's down fall. they flatly refused to consider a balanced
approach of reducing spending and raising taxes. They refused to consider cuts
in military spending that the military it self is asking for. They refused to
even consider having a conversation about Obama's budget plan in congress
and instead labeled it dead on arrival, again not even considering compromise.
As for the rest of your post that rhetoric lost you the election it certainly is
not going to win you the argument afterwards. it is time to consider a return to
common sense if you want your voice to matter.
I think it is remarkable that an African-American, a Mormon, and two Catholics
were our candidates last night. I remember a time when that simply would not
have been possible. A lot of blood was spilled during my lifetime to make this
happen. Whatever our politics, we should be grateful for the courage of patriots
It is an interesting time as we reflect on the eleection and with the lesson in
Gospel Doctirine addressing 4th Nephi. Verse 17 says ...nor any manner of -ites;
but they were in one, the children of Christ, and heirs to the kingdom of God.
Now I'm not saying one party is better than the other. I am saying that we
are now having -ites in Republicans nd Democrats. We should work on becoming
one. Lets find some common ground and work together as a nation and as a people.
Am I disappoint Romney did not win yes, but I can pray for Obama that he will
lead the nation in righteousness. Democrats can pray that Republicans will lead
Congress in righteousness. I can have hope. I can have faith. I can have
charity. Contention is not of God.
One thing to be said about the Birthers and Tea party people is that they
don't know how to win and they don't know how to gracefully lose. The
only thing they do seem to know how to do well is whine.
@GZEI've never heard "Majority rules" in the
predominant Utah culture. Since that predominant group is a minority in just
about every state and country on this earth. Why would they want to subject
themselves to the bottom with that comment? Think that one through.Funny but when George Bush won and continued his policies, there was talk from
the left that close to half the nation opposed him and how dare he continue.
When the opposite happens then it's okay?You've just
proven that the left is no different than the right, in that sense.As long as you and others keep up that talk the stalemate continues and
Modern LDS leaders certainly act close to the way I would expect of leaders of a
church of God.Congradulating President Obama on his win against
Govenor Romney (a member of the LDS church) and then asking members to pray for
him, is certainly a classy move.
@ Tolstoy salt lake, UT"Shoved down our throats? He was just
reelected by the majority of Americans"A very soft majority. Of
course many of the voters never had to prove that they were who they said they
were.That's besides the point. If the "majority" had
put in more democrats into the house and senate then maybe, you could claim
that. The fact is, the democrats narrowly won an election.If you
love the health care, then you can pay the taxes for it and enjoy everything
that goes with it.Just because some people like to borrow and spend
money we don't have, doesn't mean that everyone wants to be on that
credit statement.Are you telling me you can't compromise to
balance the budget and pay down the debt? Can you guarantee tax increases will
solely and only go to pay off the debt? The fact is tax increases have never
helped to dig us out.
We pray for leaders of countries throughout the world to soften their positions
to let missionary work progress. We should pray in that way here to have him
soften his heart to live by the Constitutional and governmental process that our
country was founded on. He sets the tone in our country and I would pray for
him to speak kindly to the people of the world about our country and value
system that has existed for hundreds of years. He does have a
monumental task to lead for 4 more years with a Vice-President that can show
kindness in all that he does for our country's citizens.The
budgetary and financial and economic situation hasn't gone away, which he
will have 4 more years to deal with. He won't be running again and he has
4 more years to establish the Nobel Peace that he was given in the first 100
days of his Presidency. He has a lot for us to pray for as we live
in a country that has a lot to pray for. Roughly 50 percent voted for both men.
We need to pray for citizens to pray also for peace.
First off I agree with praying for our nations leaders. If you believe in prayer
it's something we should do no matter who is elected. Secondly I read on
this comment thread about all the Romney supporters who are slanderous and
speaking ill of President Obama. Personally I haven't seen near as many of
these attacks as I have from Obama supporters towards Governor Romney. I do
believe most of the negative comments from the left are coming from younger and
in some cases ignorant people who don't have much respect for anything or
anyone but themselves. On the other hand I believe most of the negative comments
from the right are coming from adults, many who are educated and need to act
their age. Either way we can work together to make things better or complain and
belittle and make them worse. We don't have to agree or sacrifice our
values to maintain an acceptable level of civility.
Actually, it is only 48 percent of the nation who does not agree with President
Obama's agenda. The MAJORITY chose him to continue to lead us. Majority
rules; isn't that what Utah's predominant culture always tells us?
The choice between a centrist President and right wing extremism was an easy
choice for me to make. Romney came close and he might have won the White House
if only he hadn't waited so long to separate himself from those elements
who are destroying the Republican Party.
Brahmabullsandy, utBTW LDS liberal - you stating that somebody is
apostate for not doing everything the prophet suggests is flat out wrong.========== Oh really?I get called Apostate all the
time for my support; Pro-Choice [Rape, Incest, Life & Health of the
women, ect.],Civil Unions & Domestic Partnerships [but not for
gay-Marriage], being Pro-Life by being Anti-War, and anti-State-Death
penalties, being an Mother Earth loving, eco-firendly tree-hugging
greenie-weenie, being mostly vegan by following the Word of Wisdom by
eating meat sparingly, all the time following the Brethren - but being judged and called Apostate all the time for not being a
jack-booted, lock stepped Republican by fellow LDS members.When one
puts Party loyalty and political alligence ahead of follow the Lord, That
is the high road to Apostasy...that's all.
LDS Lib,I would call skating on thin ice supporting gay marriage
when your Mormon prophets and apostles do not.
Re: bramabull"It is like many on Romney's side have had their
inner child come out with the slander, name calling, etc"Careful
what color your calling the pot. I can't BELIEVE that I heard so many
people still blaming Bush for the economic problems when gas was $1.89 when he
left office. It has more than doubled and that effects everything you buy!!!
Milk is up. Butter is up. All other food is up. Merchandise is up. ALL
because it costs more to ship.I don;t disagree that the "inner
child" is coming out, but it's on all sides in all places.
Our country certainly needs us to pray for him, we won't be able to handle
another 4 years of what we've just endured. We're set for bad times
ahead, start (if you haven't already) saving your pennies. Here's where I see our challenges:1) stalemate in Congress, 4 more
years of fighting and lack of bill production2) nuclear warhead in Iran
while we continue to 'talk' to them3) Israel attacks Iran
leading to use of the warhead on Israel. US will stand by and watch4)
Iraq continues to grow anti-American sentiment with little input from Obama5) Healthcare mandate costs grow and businesses suffer while implementing
it6) Fiscal cliff dive happens and we all suffer financially7) Debt
to China continues to grow8) Govt subsidies of green energy die off due to
financial shortfalls in the govt9) XL Pipeline obstacles maintain US
dependence on foreign oil10) Economy shows growth potential but is hurt by
all the aboveWe're in a bad way and have no potential to climb
out of the hole, at least not for the next four years. Pray for America, we
You liberals act as if there is going to be some sort of "coming
together" now. Really? Should we all support late term abortion now? Should
we respect your right to kill children? Should we buy into your 16 trillion
deficits ... soon to be 20 trillion and say it's all ok? Really? Right is
right people and wrong is wrong and that doesn't change. Do I respect
Barack Obama? No! Not as a person and most definitely not as a president. But
it goes much deeper than Barack Obama. America is no long the "united
states" and we certainly aren't "one nation under God". For
heaven sake your party booed God right out of your convention .... remember? I
don't even recognize half of this country anymore nor do I claim them.
Think of it this way, young conservatives in the church now have more incentive
to go on a mission (you can actually move to Canada, or elsewhere, for half
Obama's next term).Anywho, the country isn't going to be
destroyed because of re-election. We already have that Democratic President,
Democratic Senate and Republican House anyway and we've gained private
sector jobs 33+ months in a row. The deficit this year is 200 billion less than
it was last year. Things are getting better, and since we re-elected the same
set I doubt there's going to be any sort of seismic shift.Except gay marriage, if you hate gay marriage well... then you're going
to have to deal with being on the losing side of history on that one.
@Woodhawk:You ask a good question. Wherease abortion has been at a
stalemate since 1973 (regardless of who we vote for), an area where both sides
could compromise are the budget and deficit. We have been such a rich country
since WWII that those who wanted spending got it, and those who wanted tax cuts
got them too. Both sides need to be willing to put some sacred cows on the
altar so that our children don't end having most of their tax dollars going
to service interest on the national debt.
I understand the First Presidency Message. They had to say it and honestly it
was the right thing to say as a general statement but let's be real here
for a minute ... how many latter day saints feel that praying for Barack Obama
is going to change his heart? It is like praying for Korahor or Gadianton for
heaven sake. I guess anything is possible with the Lord but men have their free
agency and Obama has shown who he is and what he is and there is no mistaking
it. Yes pray for the president and pray for your country but also remember this
passage in the Book of Mormon from the prophet Mormon....“O ye
fair ones, how could ye have departed from the ways of the Lord! O ye fair ones,
how could ye have rejected that Jesus, who stood with open arms to receive you!
Behold, if ye had not done this, ye would not have fallen. But behold, ye are
fallen, and I mourn your loss.” (Mormon 6:17-20)It feels alot
like we are repeating Nephite history here...
You people are funny.
Can you say "Sore-Loser"????Now repeat "I won't be
a sore-loser, I won't be a sore-loser, I won't be a
sore-loser".....that's it, very good!
I agree that we need to pray for Mr. Obama. He definitely needs more wisdom to
lead this country than he seems to have. And for those that say we need to work
with the liberals to get this country's problems fixed, I agree too. We
definitely need to work together. Now... let's see... we can start with the
abortion problem. How can we come to a middle ground there? Will the children
only be partially aborted or just "almost" aborted? Oh! I'm sorry!
When they say we need to "work" with them, did they mean we need do it
their way? Hmmmmm. Prayer is definitely going to be needed to overcome the
growing philosophical differences between us.
I think a lot of LDS people are overlooking the major victory that LDS people
all over this country made during this election. Mitt did lose. But he lost
because Americans didn't agree with his policies, not because of his
religion. Your religion has become accepted and somewhat respected by mainstream
America. It was a virtual non issue in this campaign. People learned about your
religion and realized your generally nice, normal people, not some sort of weird
cult, and I think that is something that LDS people can be grateful for, even
though their guy was defeated.
BTW LDS liberal - you stating that somebody is apostate for not doing everything
the prophet suggests is flat out wrong. That statement by the lds church
didn't sound like a commandment to me. So quit being holier than thou and
let people state their opinion. Whether or not somebody prays for Obama or not
will not have any bearing on their eternal salvation. I bet you don't do
everything that the prophet says.
The super patriots of Utah don't seem so patriotic to me. Let's see
how they respect the will of the American People...And our amazing President.
I'm not expecting much. The vile nature of the comments Deseret News
prints from right-wing ranters is really a disgrace. They turn me down
routinely for my use of inconvenient truths.
@Democrat - Well said, brother! Amen to everything you said.And to Marksen, well, good luck. I think you have some soul searching
to do now.
I just can't help but laugh because it is so akward to hear hateful
comments from those who supported Romney. I have heard people call those who
voted for Obama "dumb", "uneducated", "rediculous", and
many many other things. It is like many on Romney's side have had their
inner child come out with the slander, name calling, etc. It is quite sad that
these people get upset that others in the country are allowed to have a
different opinion. I have seen those who are democratic in mostly repulican
families literally brought to tears because their families are so rude to them
because of who they are voting for. Voting is individual. Just because your
family, faith, school, etc. votes one way should have no infulence on how you
choose to vote. Politics have become an embarassing thing to be a part of. If
the party that loses has so much hate towards the other party, I would never
want to be a part of that party. I was pulling for Romney, but hearing the
hateful and childish remarks of many has turned me off entirely. We see the same
thing in religion, persecuted if you are different.
the greatest thing about being a citizen of this country is that when all the
bickering and fighting is over, we come together peaceably for another four
years and do our best to make our country great. Without war, without violent
conflict, and with a great deal of respect one for another. it's been a
hard fought contest, but it is neither the end nor the beginning... it is our
country still alive and moving forward. i'm grateful to belong to a church
that encourages optimism and respect. my prayers to all my fellow citizens. We
have a great country, and we can make it better everyday.
@liberal tedShoved down our throats? He was just reelected by the majority
of Americans. the right really needs to find some new rhetoric or better yet
drop the rhetoric and join the conversation of trying to find reasonable
Thanks to the First Presidency & Apostles for being gracious and reminding
us that our leaders need God's help. I hope to follow their counsel.Thanks to Governor Romney for a gracious concession speech and stating
that he too, will pray for the President.And thank you President
Obama for your humble victory speech and acknowleding George and Lenore Romney
and how they and their son have dedicated their lives to public service. We can spend the next four years surfing left-wing blogs or listening to
right-wing radio. Or we can pray for our leaders, pull up our bootstraps and
get to work like our grandparents did during the Depression and World War II.
God Bless America!
We can always pray to our Heavenly Father and ask that he give the opportunity
for others to soften their hearts and open their minds. Not just for the
leaders of this great country but around the world, as well as for every person
on the earth. We are all focused on trying to get to the same place. It might
do us well as a nation to pray that our own hearts and minds be opened, and ask
Father what we can do to make a difference in the lives of those in need. After
all, the very core of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is to
follow the example of our Savior, Jesus Christ.
Brother Marksen, I can understand your feelings. I can only beg you to
read what the savior said in times like these. Ye have heard that it hath
been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to
them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute
you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in
heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth
rain on the just and on the unjust.Take courage my friend. the
problems ahead cannot be solved by a President of a nation, but by the Gospel of
Christ. And the Lord in his infinite wisdom is sending more laborers (18 yr old
youngmen, 19 year old youngwomen) in his Vineyard, You and I just need to help
bring people unto the savior. LoveYour brother in Christ.
We just need to pass a law. Whichever politician you elect. You get to pay the
tax increases that they push through.Now that is fair. That way you
always can vote for the programs you want and you can pay for it. That's
change we need and change we can believe in.
Jesus taught us to pray for our enemies, pray for the ones who dispitefully use
you....I'm guessing that's the point that is being made to pray for
bo.Half the nation still disagrees with the left agenda that bo has
embraced and shoved down our throats. We'll just have to wait two years to
gain control more of the house and senate. Then elect a real president in 2016
and try to begin to fix the mess.Until then bo will be a lame duck
president, managing the decline of what was the greatest country in the
world.For the first time in my adult life, I'm ashamed to be
Andrew J. MarksenDeseret, UTNope....============= Follow the Prophet.Anything otherwise else considered
Apostate.You're skating on some very VERY thin ice...Brother
Nope. I realize this is very un-Christian position but praying for a man that
believes in abortion, gay marriage, and taking what others have no right to
seems wrong at the moment. Pray for the man tearing apart the very liberties,
and independence that God inspired seems rather ungrateful to the God that
graciously gave us those things. There is no wisdom in the destruction of
freedom only oblivion. There is nothing praiseworthy about breaking the backs of
ordinary Americans with the power of an oppressive federal government. There is
nothing noble in the destruction of the family. How can the right thing be
cheering, supporting, and praying for a man who is destroying God's gift of
freedom? How is praying for Obama anything more than praying for our own
destruction at the hands of God? Distasteful? Yes, but it is honest.
Definitely pray for him. He needs a conscience, intelligence and common sense.
Pray for each of these traits.