@Tolstoy:Your comment makes no sense. Apply the logic to yourself.
If you end up paying less tax due to a tax cut, are you going to call getting
more of YOUR money back a handout?
Re: UtahBlueDevil"Alaska, Kentucky, West Virginia, Indiana and
Arizona.... aren't they Red states too? "Indiana is a red
state that was #11 on the list but the other states were not on the list.That is why I said "In fact the top fifteen welfare states are, with
two exceptions, Democrat""...two exceptions,...""...two..."
RE Bluedevil: Of course I don't know anything about you, just what you go
on about on these boards. Any defender of BHO and his presidency, is far from a
moderate, and definitely not a conservative! Thats my basis for labeling you.
Enlighten us about what you are, because from where I stand you are not a
producer in this economy and society. You sound like a government bureaucrat,
and I'm sure you think that an important job, but not me.You sound like
someone, who depends on government bureaucracy and the continued growth of
government and all the malaise associated with it. But then I could be wrong.@ Tolstoy: When you start getting double taxed on your income, then you
can start telling us how you pay more then Romney!
@dhullSomeone has to pay the bills and since I pay twice the tax rate
Romney does so from where I stand it looks a lot like a handout.
atl134:Tax cuts = handout? When did allowing people to
keep more of the money they earn become a handout??? That kind of thinking is
Romney won 9 of the 10 states that had the highest percentage of residents among
the 47% (Florida is the exception assuming Obama's lead holds). Romney
promised tax cuts across the board. How the heck is that not a handout?
Don't let the facts ruin the narrative you want to make.
As the old saying goes for the reality of the ten (10) Welfare States in the
United States of America lists, "The proof is in the pudding!" That may
not be according to the pollsters but when people are on welfare, their source
of food and money for items they can't get through food stamps and
distributed products is available to a lot of people. Living in the city east
of East St. Louis, which was one of the highest welfare areas, even though
Illinois is not listed in the top ten, that place was similar to a bombed out
city as welfare recipients in Illinois are well entitled. Their high rise
public housing, however, became drug trafficking areas as people that don't
work have the propensity to get into trouble. Those buildings became trashed
out and the city followed suit. A beautiful city similar to Provo in the 1960s
became a city the state of Illinois police had to take over as the mayor and
city management were both corrupted. The police force, included. To change the
city around, they put casinos in to help raise money and change the downtown
trodded down area with glitzy poverty.
"Oh yes, BlueDevil, enlighten us about respect for differing opinions. You
and fellow leftists are such sacred examples of it, not to mention your
mesmerizing leader BHO. "HaHaHa, Oh you know me oh so well.
Which would explain why I also worked on the McCroy campaign.... a Republican,
for governor. But you knew that right? But yes, everyone who is
not in alignment with your opinion must be a leftist liberal. Good grief, give
it a rest. And not everyone lives in a world of extremes... Grundle
- you mentioned 15, right.... then only talked about Tennessee. But what about
Alaska, Kentucky, West Virginia, Indiana and Arizona.... aren't they Red
states too? The largest and fastest voting blocking block in the US
and in Utah is non-partisan. There is a reason for that. The comments above
are a huge driver for many of those people. Republicans nor Democrats alone
will never have enough votes to do things on their own... time to start figuring
out how to be civil and work together.
I'm not sure how some of you think that if Romney had been this way or that
way he would have won handily.When a large part of the country counts on
entitlements, and Mitt Romney was going to "help" these people get jobs.
Many of those 47% were clearly not interested in voting for someone who would
require them to pay their way through life.So gloat while you can, though
I'm not sure why. We're only back to where we were. We're
sinking deeper in debt every day that we stay the course with this
administration.They have no economic plan that I've seen yet.So
stick around Obama supporters.We'll need you to help us understand
how Obama's administration is making things better and why we should have
voted for him too.
We are all in for a big hurt, and when unemployment goes up, more of the 47%
jump on the welfare system, and we all start answering to China...we can all say
thanks to all those who voted for obama. I am scard for this country and my
Oh yes, BlueDevil, enlighten us about respect for differing opinions. You and
fellow leftists are such sacred examples of it, not to mention your mesmerizing
leader BHO. If you look up the stats, 2/3 is not accurate but it is
not far off. Becomes a little more accurate if when you specifically pick
between eligible and participating. 31.5 million kids on free lunch, out of 55
million total, and BHO hasn't and wont improve upon those numbers.
As for entitlements, our deficit is over 1.5 trillion, he doesn't have to
offer new ones. He needs to be bold and tell us where he is going to cut. He
claims he is going to boost medicare and social security, he promotes free
healthcare, and he is the ever increasing food stamp president. No Romney
supporters ran around thinking they were getting free cell phones, and housing,
as BHO supporters did. Romney is a good man, but he really isn't a
true conservative. He tried to change that in the last 4 weeks, and he got
closer. The GOP still needs to further differentiate themselves from the party
of tax, spend, regulate freedom, and supports social rot and degeneration.
@ EmajorI watched about 4 different news channels last night and I
can tell you that all the national reporters were delighted, smiled and were
happy when Obama started to pull away. They were excited to announce another
state in his camp while when announcing a Romney win they were very
straight-forward and business like, almost dour. And it was true with the
network reporters on Channels 7, 5, 4 and 2. Every announcement or analysis I
viewed on Channel 2 was pro Obama....every one. In the end, the
media was VERY happy. We'll see what they think about the condition of the
country in another four years.The one thing I am happoy about,
living in the 2nd District, is that the deluge of negative ads regarding the 4th
District race are history. What a burden that was to those who don't live
there, couldn't vote for either candidate, and couldn't watch a TV
news or other program without being bombarded by it.
MoJules - couldn't agree with you more.
The Biggest US Welfare States#1 - California#2 - Maine#3
- Tennessee#4 - Massachusetts#5 - Vermont#6 - District of
Columbia#7 - New York#8 - Minnesota#9 - Washington#10 -
New MexicoIn fact the top fifteen welfare states are, with two
exceptions, Democrat.Which of those states went red on election day?
- TennesseeFrom CNBC Website - Y'know...that right wing news
Journalism is dead! It has been for quite some time now. To call one national
news outlet bias and maintain the others are not is foolish. They are in the
entertainment business and care only about keeping their ratings up.
If only Romney had lived by the words of his concession speech, he might have
Obama won fro a very simple reason that seems to elude the far right posters,
the empty rehash of the same old rhetoric that is espoused on these threads
everyday is not going to move us any closer to solutions. You want your voice to
be heard start talking some common sense.
I would still like to see him become President, but a mission president instead.
He and Ann would be amazing.
Emajor--so, for the benefit of all, name one media outlet that is not biased.
Yeah, didn't think you could.
I agree, the 47%er comments killed Romney's election. It also didn't
help that he wasn't nominated until less than 3 months before the election.
"Two thirds of our school children qualify for free, or reduced
breakfast/lunch. That gives truth to the 47% comment."Two thirds
of whose children.... are you making this claim nationally 2/3rds of kids are
getting assistance... really? Perhaps in your particularly part of the
country... but nationally? I highly doubt it.Mountainman.... what
entitlements did he promise?See, this is the problem the republicans
have right now. They create their own version of the world, claim everyone bit
them are lazy bums trying to get a hand out, and then wonder why they can't
win a National office. Stop insulting everyone else, and you have a chance.
The taxi guy who drove me in to the office from the airport this morning at 7:30
doesn't consider himself a victim or lazy. I left my home at 5 am this
morning for meetings, will not get back until after 11 - I didn't vote for
Romney - am I lazy and a self proclaimed victim?So start with
showing a little respect to those you have differences of opinion with and you
just might find out that you have a lot more in common than you think.
Utah Blue Devil,You are right on. If Mr. Romney could have been
himself from the beginning he would have won this election by a significant
margin. Having to appease the tea party was a killer to his chances at the
national level. As a moderate I really liked what I see from Mr. Romney late in
the game. Unfortunately what we saw from him early turned off moderates early.
I believe Mr. Romney had the ability to reach across the aisle, but now we will
never know because to be a republican you have to appease the tea party which
means you can't reach across the aisle. It is sad that the
republican talking heads can't see the damage the tea party does unless the
distract is gerrymandered to the point where it is at least 60% tea party. Even
the tea party darling Mia Love couldn't win in the most conservative state
in the union.
The Romney loss is clearly a bitter pill for the Deseret News.
@ UtahBlueDevil. Baloney! Obama won because he promised more entitlements. Now
we get to see if our grandchildren can pay for it or not!
UtahBlueDevil,Two thirds of our school children qualify for free, or
reduced breakfast/lunch. That gives truth to the 47% comment.No
matter the poverty, suffering, and starvation--people have always desired a king
type of leadership.
Romney may have conceded the election with class and honor, but many of his
supporters on this website are struggling to do so.The Republican
arm of the media--Fox News--certainly isn't even trying to be gracious.
David Folkenflik of NPR just reported on Fox News' coverage and their
sullen, poor-loser reaction to Obama's victory, saying: "The coverage
on Fox proved largely dour, depressive, even epically denialist". Karl Rove
in particular was behaving badly, and "Dick Morris, who had confidently
predicted a Romney landslide, was nowhere to be seen". Anyone
still believe that network truly is "fair & balanced"? You know,
even if I didn't agree with Obama's policies, I would want him to win
for no other reason than to see Karl Rove, Sean Hannity, Fox & Friends, and
every other biased "analyst" and "journalist" on that network
get egg all over their faces.
If Romney had not had to twist himself and his policies to appease the tea
partiers in the primaries, he would not have had to deal with the
inconsistencies he had in the general election - leading to confusing and
mistrust of what his real positions were. The 47%er comments killed his
election. If Romney had only been able to run as himself rather
that a tea party puppet, he would have walked away with this election.