From the Deseret news... Gallup Poll Majority of Americans support
gay marriage By Elizabeth Stuart DSNews 05 20 2011 For the first
time since Gallup started studying the issue in 1996, the polling organization
found a majority of Americans favor legalizing same-sex marriage.
Ten states now allow gay marriage in just eight years. Choose the
right side of history.
Skullduggery, intrigue and machinations. That is what I call this type of
politics where Catholics are led to the slaughter, so to speak, so as to appease
their detractors. "Your enemy's enemy is my friend" appears to be
the modus operandi. Attack the Church so bishops have no alternative but fight
back in the courts is reminiscent of the Soviet style of governance during their
occupation of Poland. Make friends with the enemies of the Church by appearing
as a fellow opponent. This duplicity evidently worked and many naive Catholics
still voted for Obama despite his flagrant pro-abortion position, meanwhile,
those who hate and detest the Church lend their support to the party that
appears to share their disdain with ecclesiastical entities and religious
associations espousing traditional values. Who's next on the list?
Liberals/progressives don't care about your religion. Practice it to your
heart's desire. We do care about having it legislated.
I'm not a member of your church and am not bound by it's rules.
@ Brave Sir Robin: Actually, the quote is 40 - not 30....And
"liberal" and "conservative" at the time the statement was made
bear no resemblance to the current meaning of "liberal" and
"conservative" - so the quote really has no application to current
@tekaclamp down on the Catholic churches desire to restrict individuals
religious freedom? If that just occurred to you then you are way behind the
conversation on this subject. By the way protecting individual freedoms from
religions desire to overreach is indeed liberal.
the empty rhetoric of many of the posters once again proves that some on the far
right just plain do not get it. If you want to be relevant to the conversation
again it is simple abandon the same empty rhetoric that lost you two
presidential elections and start offering real world common sense solutions.
Winston Churchill once said "if you're not liberal at 20, you
don't have a heart. If you're not conservative at 30, you don't
have a brain."Unfortunately, yesterday millions of Americans
proved they don't have a brain.The problem with the GOP right
now is they keep trying to bring social issues into play. Romney was doing
quite well until some southern Republican yokels starting spouting off about
conception from rape, gay marriage, prayer in schools, etc. That's when
races all over the country (not just the presidential race) starting swinging in
favor of Democrats.If Republicans want to become relevant again,
they need to put a gag order in place when it comes to talking about social
issues and focus on the one thing they are good at: Economics.
There were 1,210,000 abortions in the U.S. in 200784% to unmarried
women89% performed at 13 weeks or lessOnly a small fraction
of those are could be due to rape, incest, or mother's health concerns.
(Pregnancies due to rape could be handled by the morning-after pill, preventing
formation of a fetus.)Control over their bodies? If they controlled
their passions and bodies, chose wisely the men they associated with, there
wouldn't be a need for birth control or for murder of a MILLION un-born
innocents. This isn't a "blame the victim" post -- make better
choices.41% of all births are to unmarried women. Do women now care
so little for their children that they willingly bring children into the world
without doing so with a man they love, trust, and respect enough to marry?Women fought so long to be "equal" have now fallen far below the
values their gender once held. That women are playing such a clear and leading
role in the decline of our society should shock and sadden us all. That it
doesn't, and that these are the people Obama counted on, speaks sad
I just did a double take when I thought abuot this article. When the Obama camp
decided to go after Catholics, what they were doing is clamping down on freedom
of conscience. So they are restricting human rights for political expediency?
How liberal is that?
The Democrats have rhetoric about who they will help. But their actions are for
campaign contributors. The downtrodden play second string to the Democrats
campaign contributors. The Republicans are stuck in arguing who is the most
conservative to see that there is a huge hole in American politics where the
Democrats' principles used to be. How dumb can you be to lose the women
vote to a candidate endorsed by Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt?Romney
gained momentum in the last month when he begun to take a populist tone. The
Republicans need to figure out how to take a liberal stand (in the traditional
sense of the word) while being true to their values. The Democrats have not.
The article shows the Core Family Organization and its "values" are
eroding in America. This is an important issue. When Core Family values erode,
society falters as a whole. History has shown this over and over again. We have
been warned what happens when "good is called evil and evil is called
good". When 40% of babies are born to unwed mothers -which means no father
to support the child, government becomes the source for welfare assistance and
so the snowball effect begins and now a generation of Urbanites who look to
government as the means to subsist rolls forward. Unfortunately, the government
does not have the financial or moral means to support this downward spiraling
situation. I'm looking at the future with less hope that Families
will be strengthened and instead selfishness will prevail as individuals
continue to "game the system" to see how much they can eek out of a
system that is broken and morally bankrupt. I pray it doesn't get worse,
but reading "The Family: A Proclamation To the World" written in 1995 is
prophetic to our day almost two decades later.
“The Republican party has lost the ability to communicate — not just
with Hispanics, but also with gays and young people,” Kotkin said.
“And the question now is whether they have to be so dependent on white
mothers, fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers.”I think this
is very true, I think the GOP has to rely on old white folk at this point. I
also think it will sway more and more in the favor of the Democrats as time goes
on. I used to consider myself a Republican. Now I can't see a reason to
vote Republican. I also loved the fight Obama picked with the
Catholic Church. We need more of those fights, where a faith is trying to limit
the rights of others based on "feelings." If you want to limit
other's actions you must do it on objective, reliable information. Not a
dusty book written.
There are three different "Catholic votes" - the traditional one, the
women Catholics, and the Latino Catholics. Obama wisely challenged only the
traditional Catholics, and brought the other two groups into his camp.
Romney should have rejected the far right on immigration and reached out to
hispanic voters. His own church has asked for a return to civility and humanity
when debating immigration issues To ad he chose to listen to talk radio pundits
instead of the wise counsel of church leaders.
The GOP and Romney lost the election because too many Americans did not buy into
the idea that the Barack Presidency is not the failure Romney tried to
portray.Many of us know that Obama has succeeded in stopping the
free fall economy caused by the reckless policies of the previous 8 years.
"White, religious, married voters." If that is what you think the
Republican party stands for, then no wonder Romney lost the election. I am
offended by that remark. Race shouldn't be an issue. (I'm caucasian).
Many people are religious who aren't Christians. The problem with the
Republican party is the extreme right is ruining it. I'm a moderate Mormon
who voted for Romney because I'm generally against 2-term presidents, but
he made some tactical errors and was wrong on some points. The people in my
family who have suffered the most economically hit bottom in 2008, not in the
last 4 years. A president doesn't create jobs unless he is a dictator. And
Romney's comments about the 47% couldn't be overcome. He came across
as a wealthy man who has absolutely no understanding of the working man and
Brookings Institute claims the Obama administration intentionally picked a fight
against the Catholic Church. Oh please, they are a partisan source. That is a
baseless claim. A fair acquisation would be they stood up to the right wing of
this country who wants goverment to take away our personal decisions about