@ Worfyou rest your case on the fact that you think utah
couldn't come within 3 points of beating ND... it's gotta be
frustrating to realize that what you brag about aren't even victories.
rather you have to resort to: "well, well, we only lost by 3" Of course i'm not saying utah is at the top of the PAC, but you sorry
cougy's have to come on Ute articles to try and justify your poor year.
simple fact is utah is better. 3 peat, 8 of 11
SportsFanOrem, UTupinthenight"Utah already has a Big
10 opponent lined up. Would not be surprised to see Ohio St on the schedule in
the future. After all, they do belong to a real conference."Meanwhile, BYU already has Nebraska and Wisconsin lined up, and I would not be
surprised to see many more Big Ten oppponents scheduled in the future. After
all, unlike the conference dependent Utes, BYU has been scheduling big name
teams like Texas, Miami, Penn State, Notre Dame, and Florida State for
DECADES.Losses to Washington and Arizona could leave U with nothing
Colorado to remember in November. Yawn._______________________Funny how you and some other BYU fans are not talking about BYU losses
this season. Its ok. talking about losing to ranked teams gets old after
awhile.Fact of the matter is that BYU is a dependent. That's right,
its dependent on every conference in the country to hopefully schedule them.
Other schools are not dependent on BYU. The cougars are just cupcake warm up
games for them. And its been brought up before, and just happened last week.
Teams can back out of agreements with BYU at any time.
Pretty comical when BYU fans are braggin about playing San Jose State. Classic.
Nice win for Utah, everyone seems to forget that WSU played Stanford
to a 7 point game, at Stanford, just 9 days ago.
Strength of schedule?? The southies are questioning strength of schedule??
Sagarin has Utah's SOS at 9 as of today, byU is at 35. But - two of
byU's final three games are against the second and third worst teams
(according to Sagarin) in the FBS, only outdone in ineptitude my Massachusetts.
Great November of independence!!Idaho 180SJSt 41NMSt
175Utah's remaining scheduleUW 46AZ
28Col 156Stronger schedule to date for Utah, hands down.
Stronger finishing schedule, not even in the same neighborhood.You
southies are going to have to come up with some better material.Go
Just posting here to help you "adults" out. Worf is a "troll".
Now I know that many of you may be new to the internet but did you have it
installed only last night?OT: BYU and UTAH are both mediocre teams.
You could argue for a while about who is more bad. It' wont really help.
But good job to the utes for a win on this one.
@nightyowlUh...BYU already has a Big 10 team as well, Wisconsin.Nice informed post by you.LOL!
upinthenight"Utah already has a Big 10 opponent lined up. Would
not be surprised to see Ohio St on the schedule in the future. After all, they
do belong to a real conference."Meanwhile, BYU already has
Nebraska and Wisconsin lined up, and I would not be surprised to see many more
Big Ten oppponents scheduled in the future. After all, unlike the conference
dependent Utes, BYU has been scheduling big name teams like Texas, Miami, Penn
State, Notre Dame, and Florida State for DECADES.Losses to
Washington and Arizona could leave U with nothing Colorado to remember in
Certainly Utah has not had the season they had hoped for. This win was nice and
I will take any win by even one point over a close loss. Utah has been in every
game except the ASU game. It is still great playing in an awesome conference
even if there are no weeks or games off. Each game day is exciting and all the
games have meaning.To all BYU fans that are in denial about which
team has the talent and is better you need to get a grip on reality. Utah
consistently puts multiple players in the NFL. The recruiting of better talent
is the main reason Utah keeps beating BYU. With that said Van Noy and Hoffman
are studs. Ansah also looks like an NFLer. Beyond that there is not much there
and it will continue that way.Go Utes & Go Pac-12
"Takes a lot of guts to call Utah the 2nd best team"Actually, it doesn't take any guts to call Utah the 2nd best team,
because, according to Sagarin, the Utes are only the 3rd best team:#24 BYU(5-4)#25 USU(8-2)#31 Utah(4-5)
No Conference Championship for UI wish the Utes weren't such an
embarrassment to you, that you could admit that you are a Utah fan.-----TylerSagarin Rankings#24 BYU(5-4) -
SOS #35#25 USU(8-2) - SOS #88#31 Utah(4-5) - SOS #9Ironically, Utah fans ignore Sagarin's overall rankings, while citing his
mussingaroundTakes a lot of guts to call Utah the 2nd best team, how
sad it is that you truly beleive that. What are you twelve do you have any idea
how it works, next byu/Utah game look up at the scoreboard that's the way
true athlete's and teams label each other. BYU CANNOT BEAT UTAH I say it
every time, all us Ute fans ever get is WELL if that snap wouldn't have
gone over his head, if Heaps wouldn't have fumbled in the end zone, or what
if Utah wouldn't have blocked that kick. Well they did and they have scored
more points than the y three years in a row, 8/11.PAC12 Punching
BagUtah has byu, Utah State and the sure win team next year the team
that OHio State passed by wasyour team "byu" keep trying to
compare because when you do it's pathetic you and mussingaround keep up the
good work it's what us Ute fans expect out of the people down south.
@mussingaroundTwo for flinching. The truth is, USU is
the ONLY "quality" win the Cougars have had this year, and the Aggies
BEAT the team that beat you.See I can do it as well. Try not to
choke against Idaho, New Mexico State, and the Spartans. The Cougs may actually
lose that last one if they go in cocky.
Nice to see PAC 12 Punching Bag carry on the tradition of unoriginal posts.
It's just easier to cut & paste.Utah already has a Big 10
opponent lined up. Would not be surprised to see Ohio St on the schedule in the
future. After all, they do belong to a real conference. Meanwhile BYU is gearing
up to face Idaho, New Mexico State and San Jose State. Yeah a November to
BYU is preparing for a rough game against Idaho, and BYU fans have the nerve to
talk about Washington State.Too funny; take off those blue colored
glasses and look in the mirror.
mussingaroundPalo Alto, CASorry No Conference Wins for
Ubut, BYU fans don't give ANY credence to the misguided
opinions of Utah trolls who are too embarassed to even admit that they are Utah
fans.The truth is, BYU is the ONLY "quality" win the Utes
have had this year, and the Cougars BEAT the team that beat U.btw,
the Utes are 0-7 versus Washington and haven't had a road win over a PAC
team with a winning since the 90's.>>>>>I wish fellow BYU fans would stop this nonsense.We don't even
know what a "quality" win is. Fact of the matter is we know what a
"quality" loss is. And look at our remaining schedule. There is nothing
to boast about.
The last thing fellow Utah fans should be pointing fingers about is Utah's
schedule. Utah can't even beat one good team on it other than our bowl game
against BYU. Be prepared for more teams to pound Utah in conference
regularly.Are you aware that Ohio St. could have scheduled Utah next
season? They just chose San Diego St. Instead. Would you like to know why? .
That is not saying much, but the word out of Ohio is that the Buckeyes are
working on non-conference SOS. Apparently Utah did not meet there
expectations.We may never beat any team in the PAC 12 with a winning
record. We better be careful we don't lose to Colorado on the road, we
already lost to them at home.
@MussingaroundI am trying to find what poll has BYU at 25. There is
not one that actually matters at least
I guess winning on the field doesn't count? ha ha haUtah beat
BYU, not in some poll, on the fieldSCORE BOARD!
WACpaddledThe Utes are obviously the third best team in the state
this season, and a distant 2nd historically, in the only rankings that matter -
the national rankings.#24 BYU(5-4)#25 USU(8-2)#31
Utah(4-5)Top 25 FinishesBYU 18Utah 7btw, SOS
is only meaningful if you WIN; the Utes are winless in the WAC, winless versus
Washington, and winless on the road.
Best comment ever from Mike Leaches press conference after the game: "At
one point, they only sent two guys with five of ours blocking. Two to our Five.
They still got to our quarterback. That means if two of their guys met five of
ours in an alley, our five would get beat up by their two." Ha ha ha love
that guy! I like their team. It was nice to see fans there that weren't
bad sports about it and stayed the whole time. Can't say that about a
majority of OUR own fans. Let's keep supporting our team til the very end,
Sorry No Conference Wins for Ubut, BYU fans don't
give ANY credence to the misguided opinions of Utah trolls who are too
embarassed to even admit that they are Utah fans.The truth is, BYU
is the ONLY "quality" win the Utes have had this year, and the Cougars
BEAT the team that beat U.btw, the Utes are 0-7 versus Washington
and haven't had a road win over a PAC team with a winning since the
"An accidental snap over the quarterbacks head, and the utes claim
superiority?"An accidental snap to the punter's feet, and
the cougars think they had a chance in that game?
It's always ifs and buts with BYU fans. It's never "our team lost
that night." Nope, it always "we would have won if we had insert name of
QB here" or "it was a bad call" or "his knee was down" or
"That video judge doesn't work for the Y."Why is it
that BYU has never lost in anything according to the fans? And my personal
favorite: "You didn't beat us! We beat ourselves!"
worfMcallen, TXAn accidental snap over the quarterbacks head, and
the utes claim superiority?______________No.An accidental (errrrrrr classic BYU move) snap over the quarterbacks head, and
BYU fans claim inferiority!
I must be missing something because I didn't see anything in this article
about U vs. Y but about half the comments, as usual, go that direction. I think
the two teams already played and that argument is over. Utah looked very solid
Saturday and dominated this game throughout. Next week will be a much tougher
game against a team that does very well in Seattle. A win over UW would be huge
for the Utes. The best part for me this week was not playing a team like UNLV
or New Mexico. Sure these Cougars aren't a strong team but it is still a
PAC 12 team with some good players and a big name coach.
@worf"Accidental snap over the quarterbacks head, and the Utes
claim superiority?"Actually it is because of the final score 24
to 21 that defines our superiority over byu in 2012. Last year of course it was
a bigger spread 54 to 10 that defined the Utes superiority.We can
keep going if you need us to slow everything down for you. Too funny.As for the Utes, they are winning the games that they should and hopefully
that will continue so that they make a bowl game. The only reason to look back
at previous games would be to learn from mistakes that were made and make
adjustments for the future. It makes no sense for fans to argue the
"if's and but's" of past games. Every game has big plays that
effect the outcome. They happen on both sides of the ball. In this years
rivalry game, the Utes made plenty of mistakes that gave the cougs easy scores
they just didn't make as many and found ways to win. So get over the
"accidental" snap.Go Utes!
@ worf"An accidental snap over the quarterbacks head, and the
utes claim superiority?"No, we're claiming superiority
because we won 3 in a row, 8 of the last 11, and lead the series 56-34-4. That bad snap excuse is getting old! BYU had plenty of opportunities
after the bad snap to win the game and they failed! Heck, the Cougs were given
three chances to win at the end of the game and failed. No more excuses worf!
Utah won because they made the plays necessary to win and BYU did not! It's that simple!
An accidental snap over the quarterbacks head, and the utes claim superiority?
@agb ..."What worf is saying is that Utah has 2 PAC wins against
the 2 worst PAC teams. Your response of Utah's "#3 SOS" only serves
to strengthen his point: Utah (so far) has only been able to beat the 2 worst
teams."_____I get what you and worf are trying to say ...
and I'm not trying to say Utah is the greatest ever simply because they had
the #3 ranked SOS going into yesterday. I'm simply bringing some reality to
the conversation ... reality in that yeah, Utah may not be the greatest team in
the country but our schedule has been extremely difficult up until now. If the
Utes can win out or even finish 6-6 having done so with a tough schedule and a
3rd string quarterback, I'd be more than satisfied. And that would be more
of a feat than any cougar fan on these threads wants to believe. Let's be
honest, that's the benefit of playing in a tough conference, there's
true satisfaction in qualifying for a bowl game ... any bowl game.
I don't even know why I'm saying anything. The Ute fans who have
commented here are all correct. Until BYU can beat Utah in a game the BYU fans
should get off the comment sites for Utah News articles from any newspaper. I
just think it is sad that we can't get along. Utah and BYU I feel are both
very good schools where young people can get a good education. Football is not
Nice nod to the Byu faithful in your Ute article Dirk - or have I turned
paranoid with all the trolls around lately?"Dunn’s third
100-yard kickoff return in seven days gave the crowd of 45,069 more reason to
rise and shout"
3-way tie for 8th place is... awesome?
Get over it worf.We lost to both Utah and ND. Don't understand a
fellow BYU fans obsession about a "what if" game.
@ WorfLol the Utes may not have come within three points of Notre
Dame, but at least they don't blow games where they have three chances to
win.Not to mention that BYU can't legitimately claim to be the
best team in the state this year any better than Utah or Utah State can because
of the "USU beat Utah beat BYU beat USU" ad infinitum situation.Besides, BYU lost four of their five money games this year. BYU a
national power? YEAH RIGHT.
@ worf"Every one knows,--the utes would never come within three
points of Notre Dame".The same Notre Dame team that almost lost
to 4-5 Pittsburgh, 3-6 Purdue, and 5-4 BYU (Whom Utah beat 3 years in a row
now)? I think Utah would have the same chance of upsetting the Irish as a
mediocre BYU team did. Your comment is sooo delusional it's
like me saying, The cougs would never have come within 10 points of USC. Just accept it worf! BYU and Utah are mediocre teams this year. Only
Utah is better because of the head to head victory.
Every one knows,--the utes would never come within three points of Notre
Dame.Nuff said---I rest my case.This is Worf and I
approve this message!
phoenixGilbert, AZTheNun"Yes, unlike another team
who truly earns their bowl invitation with quality wins over..."*laughs hysterically*So in the crimson bubble on the hillNorthern Colorado(3-6), California(3-7) and Washington(2-7) are "quality
wins, eh?Be careful not to blow your bowl chances by losing to your
"quality" opponent on November 23rd.>>>>>The last thing fellow BYU fans should be
pointing fingers about is Utah's schedule. BYU can't even keep one
intact. Be prepared for more teams to back out of agreements with BYU.Are you aware that Ohio St. could have scheduled BYU next season? They just
chose San Diego St. Instead. Would you like to know why? San Diego St. will be
part of the Big East. That is not saying much, but the word out of Ohio is that
the Buckeyes are working on non-conference SOS. Apparently BYU did not meet
there expectations.Nobody is going to schedule us, just look at BYUs
schedule this November. We better be careful we don't lose to New Mex St.,
or San Jose St. on the road.
Gilbert, Yes, byu's wins over weber state, idaho, new mexico
state, Georgia Tech and San Jose State are far superior to any win over a
legitimate bcs conference opponent. If you can stop laughing hysterically long
enough, you will realize the laughter is at you, not with you.
Honestly people, you're arguing about who has better wins this year? These
are two very mediocre teams in the college football landscape. Neither team has
a quality win this year. Both teams are probably somewhere in the range of the
50th-60th best teams in the country...nothing to get excited about. Utah has a
chance to show a little something if they win out...that's a big if though.
Regardless of what happens for BYU in the next three games, they have nothing
left to prove. Their schedule is too weak.
Local writers thought this would be a close game. Good to see Utah come out and
put up a great offensive game. The real test is next week on the road.@sammyg: "#3 difficult schedule... yawn."What does a
Cougar fan now about a quality schedule? You've never played one, 1984
yawn!@worfJust admit it Utah owns your team and the pain keeps
you up at nights.
It looks like Wilson is getting into a groove. Most of the problems the Utes
have experienced the last couple of seasons have revolved around quarterback.
Wilson is going to be a good one. I think Utah's chances of winning out are
excellent. It will be fun to watch. P.S. I can never understand why
BYU fans (and I am one myself) denigrate a team that beat them three years in a
row and something like 8 out of the last 11. Don't you know that you are
only diminishing your own team? If Utah is bad, then how much worse are the
teams that Utah beat. Reading some of the comments here, you would have thought
that BYU was beating Utah.
TheNun"Yes, unlike another team who truly earns their bowl
invitation with quality wins over..."*laughs hysterically*So in the crimson bubble on the hillNorthern Colorado(3-6),
California(3-7) and Washington(2-7) are "quality wins, eh?Be
careful not to blow your bowl chances by losing to your "quality"
opponent on November 23rd.
re: worf & sammygI know how much byu fans love circular logic.
So, I will play & beat you at your own game. Wash St 6 byu 30.
Wash St 6 Utah 49Ore St 42 byu 21 Ore St 21 Utes 7p.s.
there is something I'm forgetting. Oh yeah 95-47 (17-16, 54-10, &
sammyhunter, You make me laugh so here's a tip, throwing stones at
big brother after a blow-out win just makes you look foolish. Go back to your
Comcast schtick, that was good stuff.
Motorbike:You're one of the few level-headed U fans on these
boards and you usually make cogent comments. That being said, I find your
rebuttal to worf curious. Utah's SOS on it's own doesn't net them
any wins. What worf is saying is that Utah has 2 PAC wins against the 2 worst
PAC teams. Your response of Utah's "#3 SOS" only serves to
strengthen his point: Utah (so far) has only been able to beat the 2 worst
teams. Can Utah become bowl eligible? Definitely. But it will be
inspite of their tough schedule and not because of it.
So you won the PAC toilet bowl... Don't get so jazzed.
This is for the "blue worf cat".4-0 versus the Cougars this
year alone with the Wildcats still left on the schedule. Had to beat the Blue
Cougars 3X in the same game and the Red Cougars just once. Potential to go 5-0
against the "cats" again this year.5-0 versus the cats last
year (Bobcats, Blue Cougars, Panthers, Wildcats, Red Cougars).Utes
need to schedule the "cats" more often.Does Worf have anyone
left on his or her schedule worf playing?
Note to BYU and their minions. The only thing that ever matters is the score
between the Utes and Cougars. Period. The rest is just something to do and
something for all of you to complain, hypothesize, ridicule and cry yourself to
sleep about. The only constant is the time tested phrase "wait until next
Apparently in Texas, because the talk is so slow, the mind is slow also. That
can be the only explanation to how one of the lonestar state's finest
mind's put together Utah's top ranked teams.
SAMMYG, BYU losing games games against the wac going to a million dollar
worf,you forgot BYU!!
Best teams don't always win.
Wort, you are so pathetically delusional. Flat out Utah, while down this year,
is just a little better than BYU. We are not thinking we are that great, just
better thn BYU. And you know what, while Utah is getting there butts kicked by
UCLA, ASU, USC, and OSU, they still know they are better than BYU. And you know
what......that is enought to let all the Utah fans keep very well at night. Oh,
by the way, it is probably a stupid move for BYU to not be preparing a QB for
next season, given your improved schedule in 2013. Enjoy that season.....
worf. did you forget a game??
This was another good all around performance for the Utes. Everyone knows that
WSU wasn't a good team, after all byu beat them this year. But the Utes
did exactly what they needed to do to keep their bowl hopes alive.I
hope they can keep up the momentum and get a conference win on the road next
week.Keep kicking it to Reggie! Truly an amazing feat.Go
Well said, Duckhunted.
@Waf,Who won when BYU played Utah this year, on thew field?just askin........
I love how when BYU beats WSU it's cougars beat a PAC 12 team...when UTAH
beats WSU they are lowly WSU!!! Objective reporting???
So happy for the win and how they did it! Putting in Jon Hays in the third
quarter. An honor earned for his efforts this year and last. (Also protecting
Travis from possible injury.) Then Adam Schultz, a walk-on fourth team
quarterback in the fourth quarter. After completing his first pass he rushed
over to the sidelines and was congratulated by Jordan Wynn. Later saw Travis
Wilson congratulating him. And Lucky Radley scoring a TD. (He has been an
unbelievable recruiter for the Utes!) Yes, it was total domination but I also
loved how it was done!
niners,Yes! BYU played better against Utah State.The
best teams in Utah are:1. BYU2. Utah State3. Weber4. Dixie5. Southern Utah6. Bingham7. Utah UtesNow for basketball---The chorus is laughing.
@worfI don't hear anyone laughing? Is it choir night at your
house? Just a PAC 12 vicory by Utah. Nothing more, Nothing less.
@worf:You left out the biggest cupcake of all the Utah wins...
According to byu fan logic, Utah beat wsu by 19 points more than byu did. So
let's ignore the 3 point win over byu and just say we are 19 points better
this year. Much improved from 44 points right cougars?
#3 ranked strength of schedule?What a compliment to Northern
Colorado, and Washington State.The chorus is laughing.
What's really funny is Sammy's jealous obsession with the Utes!
motorscooter#3 difficult schedule... yawnUte pride
swelling at 2-4Three way tie for 10th place... that's funny!
I am hoping that the Utes have righted the ship and the growing pains are over.
Seems like Travis Wilson is the future of the program. Washington has beaten all
of the teams that they should. The Utes can't overlook them with Arizona on
the horizon. This is why being in the PAC-12 is so exciting. The Utes actually
have to play their way into a bowl spot instead of coasting past inferior
opponents at the end of the schedule. Looking forward to the last three weeks of
the season. GO UTES!!!
Going into today's game Utah had the #3 ranked strength of schedule. So pay
no mind to comments from uninformed critics like Worf.
Yes, unlike another team who truly earns their bowl invitation with quality wins
overWeber StateGeorgia TechIdahoSan Jose StateNew Mexico StateI think if one compares strength of schedules
between the two teams in question, the matter of quality opponents is settled
I was very pleased with their effort tonight. Yes, Washington State may be the
worst team in the pac12 but they are still a team with talented, athletic
players, and we beat them easily. I liked seeing more passes over the middle,
the play calling is getting better every game, and so is the play execution.
It's amazing to see what this defense is capable of when they aren't
dog tired from being on the field all day long! Though still a stretch, 7-5 is
looking more plausible with each game they play. I was most glad to see the
first stringers off the field before the close of the 3rd quarter.
Wins over:* Northern Colorado* Cal* Washington State* Colorado* Maybe WashingtonA bowl is in sight.
Nice win for Utah. The bowl hopes are still alive. Well other than their bowl
win they already got against BYU. My favorite part was going for two when up by