kargirl: I'm a little let down that you didn't share those same
thoughts with Bebyebe, who committed the same faux pas as ute alumni.
Bebyebe: I've never sat in a single meeting in my 56 years in which anyone
was told who to vote for. Nor was their ever a message as to who to vote for.
That's not to say it's never happened somewhere, but to insinuate that
everyone "knows" who they are supposed to vote for is an unfair
insinuation.XelaDave: Be honest now. Did your SP actually come out
and say "Vote for Mitt Romney", or was it, as you stated:
"...America [will be] under condemnation if things [don't] change."
I realize that may be quibbling at nits, but those are two completely different
statements, and the second can be taken in more than one way. Just saying.
No one should be told who to vote for, either by a church, employeer, family or
ute alumni, I'm so happy you know so much about all the "libs" and
what they want, and that you are, unlike most of us cognizand of what
"anyone that has lived through the last four years" knows. I have one
question, then. How come I don't know YOU personally, and you, obvously,
don't know ME either...if you did, and if you knew those who have all
written our thoughts here, would you not have talked with us personally to share
your feelings, since you already know ours? No? This is what happens when a
person assumes knowledge of what an entire group is, knows, or stands for or
against, and what anyone knows, or doesn't know about something or someone.
Not all of us have your crystal ball, my friend. I will be surprised if this is
printed, but I don't appreciate being put in a big basket and have my
opinion, knowledge, wishes, or other attributes assumed to be known by someone
who has no idea who I am.
libs want freedom of expression as long as it supports their ideas. members of
any church can express their support from ant candidate as long as it is their
personal expression , not as though it is the church's position and not
from the pulpit.besides anyone that has lived through the last four years
knows this community organizer is just not up for the task and will be planning
community picnics come January.
To Mr Bebyebe: No the dominant religion in Utah is NOT told overtly or covertly
who to vote for. It is shameful of you to even indicate that. Members may talk
about who they would like and they may do it on the church campus, but they are
NOT told by the church what to do or who to vote for.
Living in southern Utah county I have been told who to vote for explicitly from
the pulpit in a stake mtg two weeks ago and it was not the guy in the WH right
now I was told to vote for- it was not a rogue member who did this- it was the
SP and we were told America would be under condemnation if things did not
change- first time I had ever heard it in my life but it was said from the
pulpit in an open mtg- a week later there was a message trying to clarify since
apparently many complained but it was said
Whatever person one wishes to vote for, I have to say that VP Biden's
words, when asked during the debate, were spot-on. His statement that his
personal belief and support for his religious teachings could not be forced upon
those who do not share them. That expresses, at well as any could have, the
belief in free agency we hold dear. In spite of opinions on the rest of the
elections or the candidates, those words are some of the most important to think
Pulpit neutrality in the LDS Church hasn't always been the case. There was
quite a rift among the Brethren over Woodrow Wilson and the League of Nations
and it occasionally spilled over into General Conference. You'd never hear
of such a division these days.And the Saints sometimes parted with Church
Headquarters. Utah voted for FDR time and time again, despite the lack of
support from the Brethren.These days the IRS can play hardball if they
It's an exercise in spatial geometry. No matter how close to endorsement
you get, you can always close the gap by half again and not make the leap.
Numerous Catholic Bishops, throughout the United States, are in serious trouble
due to their partisan preaching during the 2012 Presidential campaign. Again. it is always beneficial to read several national newspapers. So very
helpful in decision making! Also, assists one in garnering complete and
diverse information as to goings on In America and elsewhere in our world.
Really BBB? Do you attend that dominant culture church? Cause my 50 years in
Utah, never heard anything over the pulpit about who to vote for. Now my
husband here in MO remembers one time someone getting up and saying to vote for
someone, it was a black bishop telling people to vote for Jesse Jackson.
@BebyebeA few years ago I would have agreed with you, but the globalists
in the church are shifting back to the left. (Think FDR.)The LDS church
is softer on the gay issue (editing President Packer's conference talk for
example) and harder on those who oppose politicians who take a soft stand on
immigration issues. In fact, concern about the impact of solid conservatives
within the church has led to statements about compassion for illegal aliens and
encouraging participation in local caucuses in an effort to balance the
politically-active Tea Party.I see these as signals that the church
leadership is moving back to the left.
In utah the dominant culture is told who to vote for. It may not be explicitly
stated but the message is given nonetheless.