Published: Thursday, Nov. 1 2012 11:51 a.m. MDT
I sincerely doubt that most American women want to return to the
"biblical" definition of marriage.
Billy Graham knows the impact when people don't live God's
commandments that were given to help people in their lives. The message is true
today as it was in ancient times, for all faiths and religions. The term
biblical values could better be said as traditional values and family type
values. Whatever one wants to disagree with on the terminology, God
gave us a conscience to help us know what is right and wrong and you can even
say you have an impression, I feel it in my heart, I know it is right or even
wrong and we all have that within us.Billy Graham has spent his
lifetime trying to persuade people to listen and feel that Spirit. He even is
sending this message today for those that want to listen.It is not
mandatory that people listen, but Billy Graham is doing what he is impressed to
do for those he loves and cares for, even our country, the United States of
America.What a blessing to live in a country that can have
individuals and organizations spread the word they have taught for their
lifetime.Today is great for people to vote and Tuesday.
What about mikes latest fearmongering or threat for religious folks?Mike Huckabee warns Christians by stating “their votes are recorded in
eternity.” He says voting for the wrong person, we know who, Obama and
you’ll be faced with the wrath of God. At the end of the video ad, he
says; your vote will affect the future and be recorded in eternity, will you
vote the values that will stand the test of fire?
The non-LDS 150 years ago voted in biblical values when they voted to outlaw
polygamy and persecute the LDS that did. Since we LDS have another take on the
Bible than others, we should be careful about promoting "biblical
values". It bit us in the past and could in the future. 1 Cor. 10:29
denouces the use of subjective moral ideas to infringe upon the rights and
liberties of others.
So Biblical values, like Utah values, all depend upon who is enumerating the
values?Does that actually provide any assurance that those values
actually have any value?Utah Values, like Biblical Values seem to be
pretty darned elusive these days.
I can say unequivocally based on a half century of listening to, reading, and
watching Billy Graham on TV, He never made the statement quoted in this article.
This just too blatant of political pandering to be believable and is
undoubtedly concocted by his son. I have watched Franklin over the years and
that acorn fell a great distance from the mighty oak. Billy’s message was
so simple, come to Jesus, that’s all that is important. He prayed with
Richard Nixon, bailed Martin Luther King out of jail, and was the first
Evangelist to preach behind the Iron Curtin. He had no political agenda! Shame
on you Franklin!
He refused to join Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority in 1979, saying:
"I'm for morality, but morality goes beyond sex to human freedom and
social justice. We as clergy know so very little to speak with authority on the
Panama Canal or superiority of armaments. Evangelists cannot be closely
identified with any particular party or person. We have to stand in the middle
in order to preach to all people, right and left. I haven't been faithful
to my own advice in the past. I will be in the future."
The problem is biblical or Christian values are broad and diverse. Absolutely
the bible lashes out against immorality. I think we have seen plenty of that
from both parties. The scriptures talk about the family, and the divine nature
of it, and there the Republicans have and edge.But take for example
of the story that was shown on ESPN last week of a Chicago kid who broke his
neck during a basketball game for his school For a few years, the schools
insurance company took good care of him, until they decided they had paid
enough. The boy came from a lower middle class family, and so within 18 months
of the insurance company cutting him off, he passed away from complications that
had been kept under control by available medication.What biblical
value or principle is it that says abortion is wrong, but sending a 20 something
year old to their death because they can't afford the needed medication is
morally ok? If you are pro-life, you would think that would include 20 year
olds as well as the unborn. Neither side had the high ground here.... Not
Romney, Nor Obama.
People have to take a stand. It doesn't make any difference in philosophy
whether it was written by one person or another. The message is the same. Over
the years, Billy Graham has taught of peace and peace comes by listening to
God's message. Mike Huckabee is a strict politician even
though he may have Minister or Reverend by his name. That is a big difference
than Billy Graham. He was very adamant against Mitt Romney in 2007 and 2008 in
so many bad ways.The East of Utah that voted against the state
entering the union and included polyamy, was politics and not just religion.
That was a way to keep a state with a religion tied to it that the Federal
Government was in charge. The LDS religion is a life style and with familiy
ties. The East still considers the West in a different realm than the rest of
the United States of America. Again, people know what is meant in
the heart or soul what Billy Graham or his son is talking about. Politics and religion, even in Utah are about a hair width apart. Values,
whether political or religious are in the same line.
The problem with any discussion about values, biblical, moral, or other, is that
we all have differing values.So...It comes down to the individuals
to judge. No one candidate, party, or religion, embodies all the values exactly
as we see them so we compromise. We make the best choice between good, better,
or best.Billy Graham is simply reminding us of what values he finds
most important. Some of the posters in this forum would like to paint the
picture that a failure to enumerate a particular value implies an opposition to
that value. This is, of course, a foolish conclusion. In this
election, it is my opinion that the values I am most concerned about have been
put aside in favor of values I am less concerned about. That is why
I am supporting Mitt Romney and the Republican caucus in this election.
Pick and choose WHICH values we should go back to...SlaveryPolygamyStoningsEye for and Eye?orFollow the
Savior who taught us to; Heal the sickFeed the hungryClothe the nakedHouse the homelessProvide for the widows and the
childrenNever START warsForgive and include everyone - esspecially
the sinnersPunish the rich who do not give freelyWilling pay your
taxesJesus never once mentioned abortion, gay marriage or being
pro-business.Billy Graham must mean vote for the Liberal.
RE: Kevin J. Kirkham The non-LDS 150 years ago voted in biblical values when
they voted to outlaw polygamy Biblical values". (1 Cor 10:29
NLT) It might not be a matter of conscience for you, but it is for the other
person. For why should my freedom be limited by what someone else thinks?
The exercise of one’s faith personal freedom is governed by whether it
will be bring glory to God whether it will build up the church of God and
whether it will encourage the unsaved to receive Christ as Savior and Lord. (vv
31-33).A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of One wife,
vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach. Let the
deacons be the husbands of One wife, ruling their children and their own houses
well.(1Tim, 2 3:12) Not N.T.Biblical values.David Jeremiah met with
Billy Graham after Mitt Romney and made it clear(Via Christian network)that
Christians do not consider Mormon doctrine Christian but share Biblical values
and religious freedom.
God Bless Billy Graham!!He Took a Stand for Biblical (Traditional)
Values!!We need more Biblical standards in our present society!!Many have forgotten about and have disregarded the Scriptures and the
Lord. It was "Predicted" in the Scriptures that this would happen: see
2 Timothy 3:1-7as one example. There are many other Scriptural
references.Again: God Bless Billy Graham and his ministry for
Taking a Stand!!
I do not think there has been a time in history when those that use their
religion as a political platform have shown less moral or ethical behaviors then
they do these days. I would ask that Billy work on cleaning up the religion he
claims to care so much about before he tries to tell me what is or is not a
It is sad how so many religions and their leaders have thrown away any moral
authority and leadership they may have once had. I once had great respect for
Billy Graham but even his statements now ring hollow in my ears.
sharronaRE: Kevin J. Kirkham The non-LDS 150 years ago voted in biblical
values when they voted to outlaw polygamy Biblical values". (1
Cor 10:29 NLT) It might not be a matter of conscience for you, but it is for the
other person. For why should my freedom be limited by what someone else
thinks?The exercise of one’s faith personal freedom is governed by
whether it will be bring glory to God whether it will build up the church of God
and whether it will encourage the unsaved to receive Christ as Savior and Lord.
(vv 31-33).KJKSo it's OK for Christians to limit
another's freedom if the Christian thinks it brings glory to God but wrong
if an unbeliever limits the Christian's freedom because they think doing so
honors their own god? Isn't that "do as i say and not as I do"?
Can you say hypocrisy? Isn't your position a green light for having a
theocracy that limits the freedom of others that Christians find offensive? No
wonder many liberals fear a Christian Taliban.
TO LDS Liberal 3:37 p.m. Nov. 1, 2012. . .Follow the Savior
who taught us to; Heal the sickFeed the hungryClothe the
nakedHouse the homelessProvide for the widows and the childrenNever START warsForgive and include everyone - esspecially the
sinnersPunish the rich who do not give freelyWilling pay your
taxes. . .Exactly right. Those are the Biblical values
that a lot of people seem to lose track of. As said in Matthew 25:37-40: 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee
an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When
saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as
ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto
RE: LDS Liberal Jesus never once mentioned abortion, gay marriage. Wrong,(Jesus)… Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto
one of the least (*elachistos) of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me(Mt
25:40) *least in size, a baby. This verse is also applicable to Abortion today
.(Jesus) ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and
mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh (’Mt
19:5) The Fifth Commandment ,Exodus 20:12 "Honor your father and
your mother[not Mothers or significant others], so that you may live long in the
land the LORD(Jehovah) your God(Elohim) is giving you.The
LORD(Jehovah) had said to Abram,…I will bless those who bless you, and
whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed
through you.”(Genesis 12:3)Christians should support Israel.
re: LDS Liberal 3:37 p.m. Nov. 1, 2012"Billy Graham must mean
vote for the Liberal."BG is a registered Democrat.
With other commentators, I am in deep doubt that this is really the work of
Billy Graham. This has his son Franklin's fingerprints all over it. Billy
refused to join the Moral Majority and claimed to have regretted his earlier
intanglement with politics. When asked recently if Billy could be interviewed by
a New York Times reporter, Franklin said, "that is never going to
happen." I believe Franklin, and others in the BGEA are using Billy, putting
words in his mouth and publishing his photo. Billy is 94 years old and has
suffered from Parkinson's for years. If not, they should let him speak with
reporters. Otherwise, I will continue to believe this is a shameful lie.
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