Utah Utes football notebook: Pac-12 outcomes not surprising to Whittingham


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    Nov. 5, 2012 11:45 a.m.


    Just have fun byu is a good team, One question though is Utah State your chest pounding victory? You guys get on here and talk like you are blowing everyone away, dude you haven't and the last thing I want you to remember is BYU CANNOT BEAT UTAH-can't wait for your comeback.

    Nov. 5, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    All you byu fans, Utah article, WOW is your team really that great to have anything to say about Utah. BYU fans you have and you always will just blow me away. You are all experts in the college football world and in a month it will be the same for basketball.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 3, 2012 12:51 a.m.

    U 90

    "BYU is just as bad as Utah (if not worse), otherwise how do you explain losing to the lowly Utes 3 years straight?"


    What happened last year or the year before is meaningless as far as evaluating this year's teams.

    Anybody who objectively watched BYU's game at #3-ranked Notre Dame could clearly see that BYU is a much better team than their 5-4 record indicates.

    BYU's offense may not be stellar, but BYU's defense is one of the best in the country as evidenced by the way they completely shut down Georgia Tech, which has one of the nation's best offenses.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 3, 2012 12:34 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    You really expect us to believe that the kids on the hill think that Colorado had a better team than Utah last year?

    The twisted "logic" Utah fans use to support an arguement that they don't even believe themselves is hilarious.

    10-loss UNLV and 10-loss Colorado were BETTER than Utah's Poinsettia and Sun Bowl winning teams?


  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 2, 2012 7:45 p.m.


    You haven't been on these Ute boards enough. Several of your Cougar cronies have come on to Ute articles and said BYU is X number of plays away from a perfect season and a #5, 6, 7 or 8 ranking. Your friend Snack is traveling down a similar path in his post.

    I already know Utah isn't good this year. However, way too many BYU fans are still under the delusion that the Y actually has a good team.... face it, you don't. BYU is just as bad as Utah (if not worse), otherwise how do you explain losing to the lowly Utes 3 years straight?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 2, 2012 6:48 p.m.


    The best team is who wins, head to head, on the field. That's pretty obvious, but keep spinning it if it makes you feel better. Nice try in referencing Colorado though. Especially seeing that they did what BYU can't; beat Utah.

    Score Board Guy!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 2, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    "Utah Utes football notebook: Pac-12 outcomes not surprising to Whittingham"

    Of course not.

    Whittingham got used to losing to teams like Colorado by losing to teams like UNLV, New Mexico, Wyoming, and Colorado State.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 2, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    U 90

    Nobody said BYU is 7 plays away from an undefeated season, but Utah is 1 play away from being 2-6 and on the brink of bowl elimination.

    What's interesting is the team Utah fans are constantly trying to minimize, is the only decent team you've beaten this season.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 2, 2012 1:22 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Head-to-head matchups bring bragging rights, but they don't prove which is the better team.

    BYU beat Utah State which beat Utah, all in close games

    #22 BYU(5-4) and #24 Utah St(7-2) both have better records and are ranked higher than #44 Utah(3-5)

    So which is the best team in the state?

    Still to be determined, but it's not looking good for the Utes.

    SCOREBOARD determines one game.
    SEASON determines which team is better.

    (see Colorado versus Utah in 2011)

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 2, 2012 1:04 p.m.


    The minute you and other Y fans say stuff like BYU is 7 plays away from an undefeated season you lose credibility instantly. Keep in mind BYU is also 1 play away from being 4-5. Your team is just not that good.

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:33 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    It's not the bowl, but the teams involved that makes a bowl game significant and exciting.

    Anybody who argues differently is simply blowing smoke.

    Get over your "mid-major" snobbery.

    Wisconsin versus mid-major TCU in the Rose Bowl was a much better game than many PAC versus Big Ten games.

    Mid-major TCU versus mid-major Boise State in the Poinsettia Bowl was MUCH more significant and exciting than "major" Utah versus "major" Georgia Tech in the Sun Bowl.

    Playing in the Poinsettia Bowl will be much more exciting than playing in the Couch Potato Bowl.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    @ Snack Pack

    Who won between BYU and Utah the last three years? Don't spin it, don't reference some obscure biased stastics. Enjoy playing second fiddle. You can't beat us on the field, and that's what matters most.


    All the rest of your talk is merely drivel.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    Snack WAC:

    "...your 'big boy conference' program...after a season and a half, still hasn't beaten a PAC team with a winning record."

    In the last THREE yrs, your Indy-WAC program hadn't beaten Utah! Haha!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    Toosmartforyou said:

    As for BYU competing in the PAC 12, you might want to talk to Washington, Oregon and Oregon State (Vegas Bowls) and see how they have fared against the Cougars.
    Why did you leave Utah off the list. Not very smart of you.


  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:17 a.m.


    "As for BYU competing in the PAC 12, you might want to talk to Washington, Oregon and Oregon State (Vegas Bowls) and see how they have fared against the Cougars."

    They said you've only beaten them a grand total of 12 times in the entire history of cougar football.

    And idea how well the Y had done vs. Utah?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:03 a.m.


    "...if I'm not mistaken, the Utes were only too pleased to be playing in [the Poinsettia Bowl] only a couple of years ago."

    No, you're not mistaken, but the Poinsettia Bowl a couple of years ago was a better bowl than it is now. Back THEN it was an AQ vs. non-AQ showdown. Now, it's yawner between two mid-majors. This game had lost its shine. You'll find out soon enough that "your 'bowl' game in September" will have proven to have been a more exciting game than the one you'll be invited next month.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Nov. 2, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    Reading some of these comments you would think that BYU had beaten Utah

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 2, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    U 90

    You're overlooking the fact that Utah couldn't beat the only WAC team they played, while BYU, as usual, is undefeated against the conference our friends on the hill so frequently disparage.

    BYU has had some disappointments this season, but BYU is also only 7 points and 3 plays away from winning all 3 of the road games they lost, including 2 Top 25 teams, and a team that is now a serious contender to play for the national championship.

    btw, your "big boy conference" program, couldn't beat the real PAC 10.2 doormat last year and after a season and a half, still hasn't beaten a PAC team with a winning record.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Nov. 2, 2012 6:23 a.m.

    They better not overlook WSU. Just because they haven't won a game yet doesn't mean they aren't capable. Some of those losses were very competitive. It isn't like they were getting blown out every time. They will have their break through and you know that WSU thinks that breakthrough can be against Utah. A team that takes ANY team lightly is setting themselves up for a loss. Look what happened to Utah when "awful" Colorado came to town. There was NO WAY Utah could lose that game. Well, Colorado played their best game of the year and simply wanted it more than the flat footed Utes. Indeed, anything can happen out there. This is what makes it fun.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 1, 2012 11:16 p.m.


    It's probably a tough pill to swallow when a "storied" program can't beat a PAC 10.2 doormat. Trashing the Utes when they own your team is really not toosmart. Your handle is the best oxymoron on these boards... too funny.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:34 p.m.

    I'm not surprised by utah's pac12 outcomes either coach.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:56 p.m.

    It is going to be a long off season for the Utes. At least they have basketball to look forward to.

    Oh wait...

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:31 p.m.

    It seems Utah is in last place in the Southern Division. And if Washington State wins on saturday, then Utah will be in last place in the conference. But stranger things have happened, like Ute fans wishing Colorado wasn't in the PAC 12. I suppose it's tough to swallow when your new rival, with the worst road record in America, comes into your place when all the marbles are on the line and you have one of the best OC's in the country (Norm Chow) and you get whipped. And then they all want to dump Colorado. Well, there's "rumbling in the Rockies" all right and you can expect more of it in Boulder this year. What a natural rivalry----the two newest members of the PAC 12 who are on the bottom----Utah and Colorado.

    As for BYU competing in the PAC 12, you might want to talk to Washington, Oregon and Oregon State (Vegas Bowls) and see how they have fared against the Cougars.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 7:12 p.m.

    toosmartforhimself claims "Coach Whit isn't surprised to find the Utes in last place"
    Actually, Coach Whit knows that Washington State is in last place.

    I wish the Pac12 would boot Colorado back to the Big12 and take in BYU. That would upset Cougar fans, though, since this year they'd be in second-to-last place in the standings.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 5:29 p.m.

    I'm the biggest Utah fan out here but some of you stating 8-5 are nuts. Whittingham did not have our team ready as he does not have the right coaches in place in all positions and this team certainly is not disciplined. Blechen acts like he still has the munchies and all is not right on the Hill. I believe we will make it to a bowl game but we have to win all our home games and one road game for it to happen. Arizona will be very tough and Washington will be fighting for their own bowl lives. Colorado could (well it happened before) whatever...

    8-5 is completely ridiculous. Just get to a bowl.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 1, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    The PAC 12 has had a great year so far. There non-conference record speaks for itself. I expect the PAC 12 teams to do quite well come bowl season, and I think Oregon is the best team in the country. Nice to see all the haters, as usual, taking shots at Utah's program. Always a classy move.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    Coach Whit isn't surprised to find the Utes in last place, without any possibility of going to the Rose Bowl, since he knows his stuff. What is surprising (but not really) is that patriot and Chris B. think the Utes are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Too funny......

    And rather than assessing the Ute program, again they prove their fixation with BYU by continuing to bash them at every opportunity. Too funny.........

    The Utes will not go to a bowl game this year unless they buy spectator tickets and sit in the stands. Too funny........

    I predicted it would take the Utes 3 years to garner 10 PAC 12 Conference victories. Unless something happens differently real soon, it appears I was being too optomistic. Too funny......

  • Provo4Life PROVO, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 3:23 p.m.

    Hey Eddie, notice the sarcasm. Born and raised in Washington and I am a Huskie fan, so don't go jumping to conclusions. The only rivalry the Utes have now is the one with Colorado as it loks like that will be a battle of the Rcoky Mountains for years to come as well as supremacy at the bottom of the conference.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Nov. 1, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    All I'll say is that I wish my Cougs had a coach with the passion & leadership of Coach Whit! To say I dislike the Utties is putting it mildly(or perhaps my dislike is largly with their fans!), but I've got the utmost respect for your coach. He seems to accept personal responsibility more often, understands the relationship of dealing with the media (including more nat'l media) and seems engaged over the entire team instead of focusing on one element of the team.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:10 p.m.


    More clueless comments.

    BYU is already headed to San Diego and the Poinsettia Bowl, which, if I'm not mistaken, the Utes were only too pleased to be playing in only a couple of years ago.

    In 2013, barring an unlikely BCS bowl season, BYU will be playing in San Francisco and the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, also a bowl Utah fans were happy to be playing in only a few years ago.

    And, unlike the armpit of America where Utah played last season, both great fun and easy-to-get-to locations for a large majority of BYU fans.

    And certainly alot more exciting than playing your "bowl" game in September.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:01 p.m.

    PAC 12 pillow fight of the "weak", but it's good to hear that Whittingham's 3-5 Utes aren't overlooking Leach's 2-6 Cougars.

  • Eddie Would Go FPO, AE
    Nov. 1, 2012 1:58 p.m.


    Like you, I don't see the Utes winning out. Of course, I HOPE they do, but I believe it's unlikely. However, I think it's unlikely that they will only win one more game this season.

    But I've got to tell you, the most humorous yet sad thing in the comments above has got to be your screen name. I got my diploma from "the BYU" and left Provo ASAP. I was just there last week (for the first time in about twenty years), and I can tell you that I'm glad I don't quality to call myself "Provo4Life."

    I recommend that you perseverate less about your rival, and get out and see the world!

  • Provo4Life PROVO, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    I love how these Ute fans get on here and quickly defend their team's horrible record. Face the facts, the Utes suck this year! Granted, injuries to key players have played a slight role, but your team has no depth and an inexperienced offensive coordinator. Lifelong ute needs to wake up, there is no way you win out. UW in Seattle is a loss, Arizona has been playing pretty good, see last weeks upset of USC and I would be surprised if you don't split between WSU and Colorado. One beat you last year and the other it took a miracle comeback to pull out the win

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    Last year after the team turned things around the only thing that could stop us was our own kicker! Although Cal is not a top 10 team or anything like that, they did give Stanford all they could handle and are a decent team. We outplayed them in every facet, every quarter of that game.

    If we feed White the ball and maintain the intensity I can see us winning out and finishing 8-5 with an impressive bowl win against a great team. Worse case scenaior is 7-6, but I like our chances of not losing again this year. Washington is terribly inconsistent and Arizona got exposed by Oregon. Even though its Oregon, you don't lose by 50 to Oregon if you are a decent team.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    Even though the U is having a down year it is still great to be talking about a conference champ and a chance at the Rose Bowl every year instead of the independent wasteland BYU finds itself in. The Y could win out and still end up the in the Armed Forces Bowl. I suspect the Y would probably get a better bowl had they won out but BCS?? I doubt it.