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Fake email sets Rep. Jim Matheson, Mia Love campaigns a twitter

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  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 12:06 a.m.

    After all the trash sent out by Matheson, frankly, I don't believe him. I don't believe he can be trusted. It is a sad commentary on Utah that a person holding a key Utah positon is nothing more than a trashman come election time. If he does win, he will win again because everyone will be afraid to go against him because of the trash that he will throw at them.

  • aComment Centerville, UT
    Nov. 3, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    A missed opportunity to do investigative reporting instead of a gossip column.

    A gossip column reports what he said and she said. An investigative reporter would have looked into which of the two is right.

    A Matheson staffer said that it is clear from online traffic that the Love campaign must have started it?? No matter what the source of the email, it is one that the Love campaign would be far more likely to talk about than the Matheson campaign, so that's an irrelvant observation unless there is some metric besides volume that implicates the Love campaign. Couldn't the reporter have looked into those methods?

    One commenter claims to be 98% sure of who did it based on Facebook bragging. Too bad a commenter did more homework than a reporter.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 6:29 p.m.

    Dwayne wrote:

    "No its not a majority rule body and your ignorance of this means we would be wasting time trying to educate you on the Constitution and our system of government. No offense intended but you need a remedial course in the Constitution and our government."

    Please educate us how legislation is passed in the House of Representatives. Majority? Two thirds? Perfect consensus? 80%? What is it?

  • TD0330 Kearns, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    Teplarblue is right! The Utah way is to not think for yourself and bloc vote. Just look for the elephant and vote straiight party, it is so much easier that way. How dare the demoocrats try to support the impoverished, disabled and needy with my tax dollars. I already pay a full tithe and an honest fast offering!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 4:40 p.m.

    @DarkKnightLight
    If it were 269-269 each state's house delegation gets one vote. Since there would be three Republicans and one Matheson (if he wins) Utah's vote would go to Romney since it'd be 3-1. It's the senate where they each get their own vote.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 4:39 p.m.

    Has Mia Love had an independent thought this entire campaign or is she just another mindless tea party drone who will do whatever Ryan or Cantor tells her to do?

  • play by the rules SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    Great points made about Matheson distancing himself from his party. If he hates his party why does he allow them to spend millions in his race. The Democrat Congressional Committee has spent a lot of money on RINO ads.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    Just to set the record straight: should the presidential vote be thrown to the House, each state has one vote. Each state's vote is determined by the how the members of that delegation each vote. Republicans hold the House based on the fact that they have a majority of the members, but whether they control the majority of the delegations at this point, I'm not sure. That is how it would be determined.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    What does that say about the Democrats when Matheson wants to disassociate himself from them?

  • bricha lehi, ut
    Oct. 31, 2012 11:06 a.m.

    Elaine Douglass:

    Putting everything else aside the thing that bothers me about Matheson is while campaigning he does everything he can to distance himself from the Democrat party saying he is an "Independent" vote for Utah. If he dislikes what the Democratic party stands for so much why doesn't he run as an Independent?

  • huffyboy99 heriman, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 10:38 a.m.

    This is actually pretty funny. I am about 98% sure I know who this "fake" emailer is, partly because I am pretty sure he was bragging about it on Facebook. One thing is for sure he is a disgruntled democrat and as far as I know is not a part of either campaign.

    Either way the email brings up a good point, who does Jim Matheson side with? Obama or Romney? Who is he going to vote for?

  • TemplarBlue CENTRAL, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    Happy Valley Heretic you completely missed the premise of my comment. Far be it from me to try and teach anything to a Lib! My point is this. When it comes right down to the brass tacks, if the vote matters he will vote Democrat. If it doesn't matter, he will vote his own conscience. He has shown this time and time again. Bottom line: Voting Democrat is not the Utah way!

  • Makid Kearns, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 10:13 a.m.

    Even if there is a tie DarkKnightLight, the Democrats won't pick up enough seats in the House to retake it, that means it would go for Romney in the House and Biden in the Senate.

    For those that think Voting for Mitt means you have to vote for Mia this is wrong. We can have a Republican president and still have 1 representative in the House that is a Democrat from Utah.

    The House is a majority rule legislative body. That means that since the Republicans will maintain a majority already, voting for Mia is a waste of a vote since she will toe the party line and won't work with the other side to actually balance the budget. Yet, a vote for Matheson will be a vote for fixing Washington to make sure it works together to pass legislation that benefits all citizens and not one group over another.

    Without equal representation from both sides, we will slide one way or the other while making only slight progress forward. Think of government as a tightrope walker, lean to far 1 way or the other and you might fall, causing problems for the country as a whole.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 10:06 a.m.

    DarkKnightLight said: Here is a hypothetical for you.
    Civic lessons weren't your strong point were they?

    This is prime example of uninformed folks passing on an email as fact, without even bothering to make a phone call and commenters above who pass on such email like the continued flow of Fake or outright lies about Obama that I have gotten for weeks now and some above have posted as fact only to be proven wrong again. Then some actually try and spin this as Matheson being sneaky? Paranoia drives the republican party.

    Jim represents most of Utah, The republicans represent the GOP and then the extreme right of Utah, then the citizens of Utah, Jim has less handlers to go thru.

  • DarkKnightLight CENTRAL, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    Here is a hypothetical for you. Suppose the electoral college were tied 269 for Mitt and 269 for Obama. UTAH Congressman Jim Matheson is the deciding vote on who goes to the White House. Who is he going to vote for? Obama! Heaven help us! Vote Mia Love for Congress!

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    Matheson is running for Congress, NOT a delegate for the electoral college. He is under NO obligation to reveal who he "supports" for President. He will vote his conscience for President, just as we all should.

    Matheson has been a reliable, solid representative of the people of the State of Utah, positioning himself thoughtfully above and independent from the partisan politics that is ruining this country. He has a solid track record of integrity, above-board campaigns, and political competence. He knows what he is doing, and does NOT play partisan games.

    By contrast, Mia Love's campaign has smelt fishy from the get go. There has been nothing but controversy since she entered the race. Her campaign ads and speeches are warmed up Tea Party buzzwords and overly general rhetoric that verges on lies ("Matheson supports continued spending on Obamacare and pork barrel bills..."?). That she is a novice is patently evident. She has no clue what she is doing, and is being told what to do and say by the highly partisan Utah GOP "handlers" who are trying to exploit her "novelty" characteristics.

    My vote would be for Matheson.

  • GZE SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 9:12 a.m.

    I know for a fact that Jim Matheson has already voted, so he has made up his mind.

  • MJF Somewhere in Time, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    In Utah, there's not a whole lot we can do to help Mitt Romney. One thing we can do is to elect Mia Love and send Jim Matheson packing.

    That's the best thing we can do to make a difference on the national stage.

  • History Freak Somewhere in Time, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    I spent much of my life as a Capitol Hill staffer. I know how things work in Washington. Jim Matheson has been playing games between his Democrat leadership and his conservative constituents for years. Don't let him do it any more.

    Let's get a Member of Congress that actually shares the same values as her constituents and isn't trying to constantly play games to fool them.

    Anyone who votes for Mitt Romney and Jim Matheson clearly doesn't get it. It's time for Matheson to go.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    Thank you, BYUalum for your experience you had directly with the Congressman who represents you or at least represented you. That does relate to this article. You can show the kind of results or performance of this man who sits on the fence, a lot of time.

    The 4th Congressional District doesn't need more of the same. He is seasoned and knows exactly what he is doing in his office he is elected to. He chose to go to the 4th Congressional District when he doesn't even live there. Sort of like the vote on Obamacare. If he really wanted to Represent the 4th District, he would have moved there. Instead, he is sitting on the fence, once again.

    Hopefully, Mia Love, who must have conviction of what she is doing to put up with this kind of publicity and intrusion into her life. She is made of strong stuff and not just politics as Congressman Matheson has. He changes with every wind of doctrine or who is in charge.

    He has done some good things but to be so negative after being pretty nice in campaigns over 12 years, something is under his fingernails, not bamboo. Mia.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    One more reason for overturning Citizens United and clamping down on campaign financing with some very strong laws.

    We have to get MONEY out of politics.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    Matheson doesn't steer an independent course. He is an elected Democrat that lives in Utah and has been elected 6 times because of his Dad's good name. That name got blemished when the Pelosi Speaker of the House got to touch Matheson's decisions in all and everyway. She is the power person and Jim Matheson is a politician. Even Judges are politicians in their actions, just not elected as a politician in a lot of cases.

    Jim Matheson has an opponent that is not a politician but knows you can't straddle the fence due to the inability to make decisions. She makes decisions and then gets faulted on those. That is why most politicians don't make life changing decisions, because they are afraid to do that. They vote, except for the President who gets hall passes during the voting time, whether in Illinois or as a U.S. Senator.

    Mia Love has the ability to stand up to Matheson as she knows how our country got freedom from Britain. It was not an easy fight but the people that moved to the United States of America in most cases have inner strength and courage, fighters.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    The only way a Democrat can get elected in Utah is to talk like a Republican. If Matheson were really as conservative and independent as he claims, he wouldn't be a Democrat.

    BYUalum is right. Matheson has been trying to straddle to fence his whole career and has done a good job of fooling his constituents.

    Now he's running scared.

  • JohnH Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 8:10 a.m.

    I'd really like a clear answer to the question. Who does Jim Matheson support for president?

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    Someone fed a fake email to the Love campaign. Why? It DIDN'T come from the Love camp. If it didn't come from the Matheson camp, WHOo had a reason to send it?

    No one at the Love campaign made it up.

    That is pretty clear. If the Matheson camp is using this to make the Love camp look bad, it only makes them look bad as if they are behind the fake email.

    Curious.

  • Utah Observer West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 31, 2012 6:49 a.m.

    The earlier comment from BYUalum has nothing to do with what is in the current article. This is more of the same negative rhetoric from the Love campaign. What the article pointed out is that the Love campaign got caught sending out false information about Matheson and it is backtracking as fast as possible. Too bad other news media are not giving this story attention like the Deseret News....

  • play by the rules SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 6:21 a.m.

    Call Matheson's office today and ask who he is going to vote for and they will tell you he hasn't made up his mind. The exact same answer he gave right up until the vote for Obamacare. Leaders lead. They do not stick their hand in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. I pulled the lever for Mia as did my wife.

  • Elaine Douglass Grand, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 5:40 a.m.

    I will vote for Jim Matheson.

    As for BYUalum's opinion that Jim Matheson "listens to what is needed by the Democratic party," BY isn't in this world if he thinks Matheson could stay in office in Utah by listening to the Democratic party. There's a reason Jim Matheson has been re-elected 6 times to represent Utah in Congress: he steers an independent course and does what he thinks is best for our state. That's how it appears to me. And that is why

    I will vote for Jim Matheson.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 4:58 a.m.

    It's interesting that this story goes on and on about an email, but never answers the question of who and what Matheson supports.

    That should be the story.

  • hmataele West Valley City, 00
    Oct. 31, 2012 12:09 a.m.

    I will use my junior high logic on this dirty political stunt. The one who smelt it delt it. I'm crying foul on the Love campaign. It reeks of the type of campaign adds she has run.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2012 11:41 p.m.

    I will vote for Mia Love.

    When I called Matheson's office for three solid weeks before Obamacare was passed by the House, I was told by his staff that Jim Matheson hadn't decided how he was going to vote on the bill. I kept calling until the day of the vote and received the same answer.When he was told that the Democrats didn't need his vote to pass it, he voted against Obamacare. Don't believe his ads. He goes the direction of the wind and listens to what is needed by the Democratic party. I call it "snake in the grass" politics. We need Mia Love for Romney to count on in Washington to get this stuff repealed.

    I will vote for Mia Love! and Mitt Romney & Paul Ryan. A good team.