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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 30 2012 10:20 a.m. MDT

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UteMiguel
Go Utes, CA

They both seem like great kids who have made the decisions that are best for them individually.

Jefe-Ute
SLC, UT

Most of these BYU fans is the reason why I hated attending BYU. Yes I am a Ute fan that attended BYU. If a player wants to see the biggest load of hypocrisy about the "band of brothers" go to BYU. If you want a competitive atmosphere in school, in your ward (if LDS) and socially, attend BYU. If you want no activities and a student organization that hoardes all of its money to go on their own vacations, attend BYU. I have been to both schools and Utah BY FAR is the more friendly, family atmosphere than BYU. BYU is a self-righteous, judging, competitive group of people.

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Go Utes

I'm a Utah grad. My father, father-in-law, and many of my aunts, uncles, and cousins are Utah graduates. I've been attending football and basketball games at RES and the HC for decades, so I'm fully aware of the how things used to be at the U, and how they are now. I've sat in the middle of the Utah student section wearing BYU gear, back when you could do so with only some mild heckling. I was sitting in the middle of the Crimson Club for Beck to Harline.

Most of the time, Utah does have a "great family atmosphere," but things have changed. To suggest that Utah has a "great family atmosphere" on game day for any visiting team, but especially when the Utes are playing the Cougars is patently false. Try wearing a BYU jersey to a BYU-Utah game at RES sometime and you'll get a clearer picture what things are really like at the U.

I do find some inconsistency in active LDS members who are loyal Utah fans despising BYU for openly supporting an Honor Code that is based LDS standards.

Me, Myself and I
The Promised Land, UT

Let's not fool ourselves. You can find a party at any University, College or town any time you want. I have witnessed some of the wildest parties I've seen right in "Happy Valley", most thrown by BYU students. So people who think partying and living the Honor Code effect an athletes decision on where to play it's not near as big of a factor as most might think.

JmThms
Henderson, NV

Chris B,

'Normal' college experience? And why can't he have a girlfriend? Hows that inferiority workin for ya, Chris B?

JmThms
Henderson, NV

VegasUte,

And you too: Hows that inferiority complex workin for ya?

Gary Kinney
Huntington Beach, CA

Having worked directly with Davion I can assure you he never had plans to stay with his commit to BYU. He expressed as much to me when he told me he had verbally committed to BYU. He is just like most athletes today who don't hold their word as their bond.
If something better comes around such as USC or UCLA he will jump ship for them over Utah.
I wish him the best at Utah.

ute4ever
West Jordan, UT

@duckhunter

I am well aware that negative recruiting exists at all schools. I'm sure that Utah coaches told Davion that BYU doesn't ever put DB's in the NFL. That is an example of negative recruiting and it happens everywhere. Even Bronco's attempt to sale the strength of schedule to him was ok. I'm perfectly fine using football negative recruiting as a tool

The "negative" recruiting that IS funny is Bronco saying he'd party more at the U than at BYU and that he couldn't focus if he were at the U. I'm not enraged, just amused. I guess when there really aren't many on the field selling points for your football team, BYU coaches resort to sorry attempts to sale off the field items. I'm sure it didn't come as a surprise to Davion that BYU is the reigning champion of the "stone cold sober" school.....so ANY school outside of Provo will likely party more. Really, Bronco has to go to the party card?

More than anything, it shows the lack of scucess on the field for BYU. Otherwise, he'd sell the program. Sad day for BYU.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@ute4ever

1st of all it is spelled "sell" not sale. Bronco wasn't trying to "sale" anything. 2nd of all BYU has had more success on the field these last several years than utah has by almost all measurable quantifiers. More wins, ranked more times, you know the things that actually matter. Also the most mpathetic thing I've ever read on these boards is your posts about this. I know whittingham and the other utah coaches use BYU's honor code and standards as negatives to recruits, they tell them they will have to live by those "strict rules" can't have fun, blah, blah, blah. Of course not only is that pretty much the same tactic that you are criticizing Bronco for using it is far worse because utah is actually trying to tell a kid that those standards are negatives for them. They are encouraging them to live by lesser standards in their lives. That is sad, that is pathetic, and that sums up what the utah program, and utah "fans", are all about.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter

Telling a recruit about BYU's strict rules is not the same thing as encouraging a kid to live by lesser standards. Coach Whitt is a devout member of the LDS church and encourages and supports his players who choose to serve missions. It is ridiculous to claim that he would preach against his own beliefs in recruiting players.

The only thing truly pathetic in this thread is your slandering of anyone associated with the U because you feel threatened and insecure about a complete stranger criticizing BYU's coach

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

@JmThms:

You live too close to Boyd Stadium. You must know a lot about inferiority complexes. Thanks for worrying about me, though. No need to - I am a Ute fan. We are secure in our fandom.

Go Utes!! Onward and Upward!!

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

@BlueCoug: "I do find some inconsistency in active LDS members who are loyal Utah fans despising BYU for openly supporting an Honor Code that is based LDS standards."

If you would read what has been written instead of giving things your own self-serving twists, you will see that LDS members who are loyal Utah fans the despise byU fans who are judgmental and pious, not the ones who openly support the honor code. You should save your preaching for those at byU who agree to the honor code, but don't live it.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Duckhunter:

"As a secular government owned school there is no moral code for that university, anyone can do anything they want there. Sleep around, drink, whatever, it all goes."

Not true. Utah DOES have a "moral code"; otherwise known as our "Honor Code". Just because our "Honor Code" does not have specific prohibitions on adultery/fornication, that doesn't mean Utah has no moral code. It just means we're an "institution of higher learning"; not a "daycare/seminary".

And as for alcohol at the U...

(1) Utah is a "dry" campus.
(2) Underage drinking IS prohibited. And while I'm not saying underage drinking does not occur at the U, neither am I suggesting that it doesn't occur at the Y either. In fact, I KNOW that it occurs at the Y. I saw while I was there my Freshman year, and similarly, as a U student, I saw Y students drinking up in SLC. And while I'm not aware if those Y students drinking in SLC were underage (I didn't card them), I do know that the Y's prohibition on alcohol hasn't stopped them from imbibing.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

CougFaninTX:

"If one kid changes their mind from Utah to BYU, we get accused of unethical activities, illegal recruiting, etc."

That's because recruiting a previously-committed player while on his mission IS unethical/illegal (per NCAA standards; not the DoJ). And in case you didn't know, Davion is a JUCO CB. Not a current missionary in the field.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

JmThms:

Your school lost 3 in a row to their big brother on the Hill, 8 of the last 11, doomed with a generation gap in the all-time series, never been invited to play in a BCS bowl, have an all-time LOSING record in the postseason, have a worse record than the Utes in both games vs. ranked opponents, and games vs. BCS-level opponents, and isn't wanted by any relevant conference in the country. So I'M asking YOU...

...How's that inferiority complex been working out for YOU?

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Duckhunter said
1st of all it is spelled "sell" not sale. Bronco wasn't trying to "sale" anything. 2nd of all BYU has had more success on the field these last several years than utah has by almost all measurable quantifiers.
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Does head to head record count as a measurable quantifier?
LOL
Spin it Ducky, Spin it!
LOL

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Gary Kinney, I agree with you, he seems to be trying to make the choices that will positively impact his future the most, and still could very well jump for a better offer, and I wouldn't hold it against him (as many cougs fans already are), but I also think from what I've read from him that he's very comfortable with his commitment to Utah. He has publicly said that although UCLA and USC, his dream school, have been looking at him a lot lately, he's got a chip on his shoulder that they never recruited him before, while Utah has been since high school, and is motivated to compete against them, not for them. So that's what I know from him, but obviously you know him personally while I don't, so I'll note your word. He seems like a good kid, and a focused, hard working athlete, so I'm excited about his possible future at Utah.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

What I'm finding hard to understand is that if Coaches Howell and Mendenhall are so "concerned" for Davion that he'll just party and lose focus at Utah, why would they want a kid like that to come to BYU so bad in the first place?

Wally West
SLC, UT

back @ Duckhunter 2:00 p.m. Oct. 30, 2012

Interesting. Especially when you consider there is minimal (but closer to negligible) demographic difference between fans, students, & staff between the 2 institutions.

p.s It did not dawn on me until now... byu is a "dry" university and renowned for their accounting program... let the party begin or not!

bradleyc
Layton, UT

So students are going to change their minds. It's OK to do so.
BYU seems to be getting ragged upon by certain writers for the mere fact that they actually stand for something. Something good, something righteous, something moral etc. The University of Utah is a great school with proud traditions. They can't stand for things that are righteous or moral because they are a state run institution. It is too bad because there are many good moral people who go there. On the other hand at BYU there are also great traditions and good moral people. The fact that they talk about being moral and standing for something is a credit to them but yet all I see on this board is others trying to drag them into the pit.
I predict that BYU will beat Utah in football this next fall. Once they do this, the series should be cancelled for ever. I am sick and tired of the bickering between the institutions. We should celebrate the good and play down the bad in both organizations.
Go Cougars!

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