To all those who know why persons mentioned here did what they did, or could
read the minds of those persons and know truthfully what they were thinking and
why they did what they did: I hope you will soon open an office where you offer
these services to the general public for a reasonable fee! I really would like
to know why people do what they do. I would really like to know what their
motives and intentions are without the need to figure that out or trust what
they say. I could be more successful in business if I could read the minds of my
competitors like you can read the minds and discern the real intentions of those
who are running for office, as opposed to what they say Imagine how useful and
valuable it would be if I could bring one of you to a contract negotiation so
you could tell me what my adversary is thinking and what he really intends to
do. I would not have to try to understand his words; you would just tell me his
real thoughts and intentions. Just like you do with the candidates.
Isn't it interesting to see "kind, loving", Christians using any
article about Mitt Romney to bash President Obama?
My people perish for lack of knowledge. Oy vey.Just read Jude, 2
Peter, 2 Cor. 11. What are believers supposed to protect? Who are they to
reveal? Who masquerades as an angel of light? For what are we to contend?Do your homework and stop creating your own gospels. These comments
reveal exactly why Baptists and Biblical purists refuse to blur theological
lines.Billy has some 'splainin' to do!
I have to say that of non-LDS religious leaders in the world, my respect is the
highest for The Rev. Graham. That he would, at this late point in his life see
fit to take just a wee peel of disrespect off the view his site projected of
LDS and their beliefs should be seen magnanimously and taken to heart by many
others of his faith. We have so much in common, including dedication of
principles of truth in a world turning increasingly away from what we together
see as good. We need each others support where commonality can be extended and
Go Mitt...beat Obama...keep our Constitution intact!
I can only imagine how early Christians were viewed by the "orthodox"
sects of the time. Stoning comes to mind. I think today's orthodox
Christians should worry more about their own salvation and less about whether
Mormonism is a cult or a religion. Why not follow the more civil
and kind-spirited approach used by Paul/Saul's mentor Gamaliel? "if it
be of men, it will come to naught, but if it be of God, ye will not be able to
overthrow it; lest perhaps ye be found even to fight against God."
sharrona,"....We(Christians) therefore believe in One God in
three divine persons, great is the mystery of this unity. Its beyond unity, its
more higher than what we can conceive as unity."____________________The Holy Trinity is a mystery because it was
once too much of a problem. Early Christians weren’t daffy enough to think
that Jesus went into Gethsemane to pray to himself. Nor were they prepared to
trade in the one God of Israel for a deity duo. The paganism in them had no
problem with the later but the Jewish roots of the faith precluded such an
innovation. Then along comes the emperor Constantine as the first royal convert
to Christianity who convenes a counsel to order his quarreling bishops to settle
their differences.After much contentious debating of the divinity of
Christ, the three persons in one God was the band aid solution the bishops came
up with. Today, the trinity is Christian doctrine adhered to all but Mormons,
Quakers, Jehovah Witnesses, Unitarians, and several other dissenting sects who
hearken back to Christianity’s earlier roots. Never underestimate the
power of seventeen centuries of orthodoxy.
Can someone please explain what in the world sharrona is preaching? I simply
cannot understand her mysterious use of words.
A 'cult' by definition is any organized religion, period.That makes not only Mormonism a cult, but any other religion with structure.
That also includes the Catholic church, and many other Christian
churches.That includes Islam, and probably most other major religions.So in conclusion, most religious people belong to a 'cult.'
The term is completely misunderstood and misused as is most of the doctrine of
the LDS Church.There are a lot of ignorant people out there. Sheesh.
Looks like "bigotry" and "narrowness" is still alive with some
"Christians".Jesus, Himself, was very open to ALL the
scriptures say. He worked with, and conversed with, and Blessed... Samaritans,
Publicans, and many many others who were considered "Out-Casts" in the
society of roughly 2,000 years ago.Reverend Billy Graham is doing a
Great Thing in being open minded to "other believers and followers" of Jesus by opening up with meaningful and respectful
dialogue.God Bless Billy Graham!!!
They're right. There's no real way that Mr. Graham can come out
looking good on this one. Either he was a lazy leader and didn't research
the issue and pray about it thoroughly, or he's simply caving for political
convenience.It would also seem that most of the so-called Christian
right has "rendered unto Cesar" as they let go of many other
commandments, for the sake of political expediency, such as the counsel to
refrain from bearing false witness.
Bigotry dies hard
I think Pastor Barber should give this another thought. If he refuses to vote
for Romney the only other viable choice would be (gasp) President Barry Soetoro
who grew up not in America as an American but in Indonesia with his mother,
Stanley Ann Dunham and his step father Lolo Soetoro.Nothing wrong
with Indonesia. It's reportedly a nice country.
"therefore a greater threat to them, their congregation size, and their
livelihood?"Make no mistake. The "livelihood" of which
you speak is a big part of most religions.Including yours.Power, money and control = central in most religions.
@Emajor:"... but the truth is he is trying to court votes in a
close race."Ans what was Obama doing when he gave amnesty to
I wonder why it's so important to other Christian religions that we remain
with the "cult " label? How does that little word make any difference to
them unless without it we're more valid and therefore a greater threat to
them, their congregation size, and their livelihood?
Wow, a bonkers Evangelical like Billy Graham laying down his weapons to gain
political advantage, and Mitt Romney seemingly willing to ignore the nasty
vitriol coming from this man about his own religion, also for political
advantage. Perhaps the question Rev. Samuel Wynn originally directed
at Graham could also be asked of Romney: ‘What’s more important for
the kingdom of God: politics or the message of Jesus Christ?' You could be
generous and say that Romney is altruistically attempting to mend the divide
between Mormonism and Evangelical Christianity, but the truth is he is trying to
court votes in a close race.
"We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to
participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized
during this campaign"So, nowhere does it say that Mr Graham no
longer believes that the LDS Church is a "cult", just that it should not
"politicized" during a campaign. Does that mean that the
wording may return after the campaign is over?
To Baccus0902, a missionary minded faith does (I repeat, does) care what
others think. If we believe in love, we believe in public relations and how we
are perceived. Doesn't mean I lose sleep if someone thinks I'm a
martian, yet we should care how we come across. Truth will prevail.
RCS, Latter-day Saints accept these teachings of the Bible, as they are, without
mystifying them. They are easily understood.The Holy Trinity is the
central Mystery of the Christian Faith. God has however given us some clues in
regards to this mystery by what is seen in creation. An example:The Sun we
see high in the sky, and we see the Sun through its light. In the same way, as
we behold the Father through the Son, and heat is something we feel, and the
Holy Spirit is the Comforter, he is the presence we feel that supports us and
gives us consolations and gifts.Therefore the one Sun shows itself as
triune, sunlight and heat yet one substance or essence, as its splendid in its
unity and oneness. How much more the Creator of the sun is splendid and One in
his unity and oneness in his triune being.We(Christians) therefore
believe in One God in three divine persons, great is the mystery of this unity.
Its beyond unity, its more higher than what we can conceive as unity.
Man, what a riot. I love this quote, "Bart Barber, a Texas pastor, said the
BGEA move “probably cost Mitt Romney my November ballot.”"That's just priceless. So he was going to vote for Romney when it was
"confirmed" that he belonged to a cult, but as soon as Billy Graham said
Mormonism is NOT a cult he changed his mind??? That's just rich! So now
he's going to vote for Obama because Romney doesn't officially belong
to a cult, and he's mad a Graham??? Seriously? Oh how fickle are the
minds of the "religious".
I M LDS 2I think BO has a worse case of flip-flop-itis than the Romney.
I'll cut the deficit in half - it grewI'll
close GITMO - he didn'tI'll try the 9/11 masterminds in
civilian court - he didn'tno lobbyists in my administration -
there areI oppose gay marriage - I favor gay marriageI'll reduce health care costs by $2500/year per family - costs have gone
upopen and honest administration - nopeall bills posted
on line 48 hours before votes - nope, see how Obamacare was passedmy
porkulus will keep unemployment under 8% - it didn'tetc ad
Mitt Romney's flip flopping disease is apparently catching, and Reverend
Graham caught a bad case of Romnesia!
Twin Lights: You know I have never thought of it that way. I usually
just roll my eyes when I read of some new group labeling us as a cult, but it is
true that we need to defend His name and what we stand for (in a humble Christ
like way of course)
let's get some facts straight. On Graham's website, one of several
articles presented in a question and answer format that addressed a number of
topics including false teaching and cults was removed. The article that was
removed listed a number of religions that most Christians would consider
theological cults. The list included Jehovah Witnesses, Scientology, Unitarian,
Unification Church and Mormonism. The other articles that warn readers about
cults and describe them are still available on the website. Mormons would
recognize a number of the statements describing a cult. The need for additional
scripture, living prophets, denial of the trinity etc. are considered
characteristics of a cult. It is evident that Graham's ministry still
doesn't consider Mormonism as another Christian denomination. But I also
don't believe for a second that he condones hatred or disrespect towards
LDS. Rather Graham has lived and preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ his entire
life. Our Lord calls all of us into relationship with Him.
We are, we aren't, we are, we aren't.It would be humorous
if such labels did not keep people from investigating the gospel and
understanding the depths of our commitment to Christ. But they can. Absent
these problems, I suppose we wouldn't care that much about labels (I
probably wouldn't).But in order to defend his name we must take
care that his gospel is not slandered or marginalized.There are
enough mists of darkness for folks to contend with.
All Christians are entitled to their view of Bibilical teachings, but to label
one group of Christians as a "cult," simply because they have a
differing view of what the Bible is saying, is surely not a Christian thing to
do.As a spiritual leader, I believe that Reverend Billy Graham
understands this, and extends his Christian charity to others who also believe
that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Father. May I suggest that we should
all "Go and do likewise."
You rermember that in His mortal ministry, Jesus said that the Father was
greater than He. They were not the same Being. He was the Father's Only
Begotten Son. He was not His own Son.Many teach that these are
"myseries," that we cannot understand (how they are one, and not one;
how He can have a resurrected body that can never die again and still be a
spirit). The Bible presents these truths plainly, without mystery. The Bible
consistently portrays the Son in reverence to the Father. At Jesus'
baptism, the Father spoke. Jesus was not speaking to Himself and those present.
The Father was pleased with the Son--Jesus was not saying He was pleased with
Himself!So, Latter-day Saints accept these teachings of the Bible,
as they are, without mystifying them. They are easily understood.
When Jesus was resurrected, he showed his disciples his body with the wounds
still in His hands, side, and feet. He told them He was not a spirit (Luke
24:36-9): He had a ressurected body of flesh and bones, which was glorified with
the glory of His Father. (He had prayed, you remember, in Gethsemane, that Me
might be so glorified with His Father. Of course he was not praying to
Himself.) He also ate fish and honeycomb with the disciples, again, to prove
that He was not a spirit without a body, but was a resurrected and glorified
God.When Mary met Him at the tomb, He told her that He had not yet
ascended to His Father and her Father, to His God and to her God. He was not
going to ascend to Himself! As the Father was Mary's Eternal Father, so
the Father was also the Son's Eternal Father.
If you believe the LDS Church is true. Why do you care what others think?Mr. Romney and Mr. Graham are playing a spiritual farce for political
A cult is a belief that is centered on one individual's personality. Does
that mean Christianity is a cult? The alternate definition is a belief system
that is not accepted by the majority. Perhaps that makes Christianity a cult in
Pakistan or Indonesia. In practice the word cult is used by unscrupulous
individuals to scare others.
Whatever -- Jesus and his followers were labeled a Jewish cult.Did that make them wrong?