There is one snafu in the boards decision. When they take Section 6(A)6) which
states "may forfeit" any contest and extrapolate that to:"We find that we have the discretion to impose or decline to impose
forfeiture in total or in part as we fashion proper relief." A good
attorney could tie them in knots on this assumption - particuliarly in this case
when so many other parties were negatively affected.It is also
interesting that the board noted they had pressure from local politicians. I
also found it interesting how they justified leaving Cyprus out - the statement
that Cyprus consented some how in another meeting ???????I feel for
the board - they had a tough job - I just disagree with how they did it. I also
feel for the East High Team. The real culprit is East High's Principal who
not only didn't do his job, but essentially threw the AD under the bus to
protect himself and the coach - offered to resign, then recanting saying, it
would be selfish to do so.
Educators, Schools, Districts . . . all the way up to state and federal leaders
are drunk with their own power . . . power derived from we the people. Yes, people lie, cheat, and steal, and there should be consequences. However, the amount of regulation and interference in all aspects of our lives
has increased significantly over a the last 10-20 years. No large
sugary drinks, airport scanners, forfeiture of HS football wins . . . I just got
an email saying my kids at K-6 can't bring home made, home packaged, or
unhealthy treats to school for parties, rewards, etc... I PAY THEIR
SALARIES and they tell me what I can and can't do . . . Welcome
to the machine!
Moral of story Timpview:Bring your kids and cry and pack the house
with sobbing and you would have been the number 1 seed....
@ Chase:Move to another state,
This article does a nice job of explaining one of the many "head
scratchers" on this issue, i.e. Why did East get to forfeit less than all of
their games when their issues were much bigger and more widespread than Timpview
who had to actually forfeit more games than the number in which they had
ineligible players participating in?The answer: the East
Administration fought hard for their kids, the Timpview administration said:
"here they are, handcuff them, and give them the maximum penalty
I just finished writing an e-mail to my local state legislator and I encourage
you to do the same. It is time to disband the UHSAA and go to a "play where
you live" rule for athletics. I just barely sent the e-mail to my
representative, and I would encourage you to do the same.This
nonsense needs to stop!
Why punish East and then reward them at the same time. The right thing was to
forfeit ALL of the games and be out of the playoffs. The standards of Utah
sports is damaged
After reading this article ands trying to understand how the committee came to
their decision I am even more confused than ever.From a person on
the outside, it seems a double standard was established. I would really like to
know the names of these individuals. They should be held accountable.Additionally, I would like to see this lawsuit go forward from Herriman. It
would be great to see other schools and coaches join in this lawsuit. The
decision made even less sense after reading this article. If you are going to
have rules, there should be no bias when executing judgement. Rules should
apply equally to all. Every school (and its coach, AD, and
principal) must be held to the same standard. If for any reason, for the kids.
East did not want the UHSAA to put the blame on their kids- to do so, they
argued, would be to fail the innocent athletes. But the true issue here is
East failed there own kids. Every coach, principal, and AD in the state know
the rules. They are clear. Sometimes being an adult means to make the tough
decision. UHSAA made the problem worse.
Check your facts, I completely disagree. The Timpview admin knew that they had
broken rules and they accepted it and took responsibility, like one should.
East tried to get out of of their punishment and taught their kids that you can
lessen your consequences if you whine hard enough.
Re: bulldog. My comments completely support your position exactly. Both Timpview and East should have been treated the same without bias.
You all know that if Timpview had been required to forfeit enough games to miss
the playoffs, they would have argued for their kids' right to play, too.
And if East had only had to forfeit a few games, still making the playoffs, they
wouldn't have said anything. It's all about punishing the adults, not
the kids. This is just football. It is still just a game. No matter the outcome
of the State Tourney, life will go on, school will continue, and basketball
season will begin.
This just adds to the problem, the decision makes no sense. Ban the UHSAA!
LOL gotcha, Satch. I was actually responding to the poster named
'checkyourfacts' ute - you are right, it is just a game.
Lessons taught and learned are more important. As far as I am concerned, Timp
acted honorably in this situation by taking accountability and not protesting
the same sanctions that East was handed (forfeiture). And while I understand
East's desire to fight for their players, they may have done them more harm
than good by the message that they sent, especially in light of this report,
which makes their transgressions sound much worse than I thought before.One more question: Why were BOT members from Wayne and Tabiona brought in to
be part of this decision? I am sure they are fine people and both are great
places, but that just seems odd to me that they would be the ones hearing the
final appeal. I mean, shouldn't someone involved with 4A schools have been
After all these years EAST HS has kids that likely will make up a state
championship calliber team. For years, these kids jumped ship to Cottonwood and
other schools in the community. Now their bringing kids in from other schools.
It's hard to argue, so many schools were OPEN Enrollment. Now
every school is. Still seem abiguous and grey enough for administrators to
cheat. If it were my kid who was a college prospect, I'd rather see him at
a school like EAST, who have coaches and talent to get them the exposure needed.
I can see why the NCAA is so tight with their regulation. They need
to create a governing body within the UHSAA that's big enough to handle
this. They had to do this with college sports. Can assume the administrators
are all equal and unbiased.
As a High School Football coach, I hate how the UHSAA handled this situation.
We taught and taught our boys to have integrity and honor both on and off the
field. If a rule was broken, you accept the punishment and learn from it the
next time. All this decision has done is teach athletes everywhere that it is
okay to break rules and then complain enough to get what you want anyways. Both
schools should forfeit the games ineligible players played in and leave it at
that. If it resulted in not making the playoffs, that was the programs/schools
fault. It would be sad for the innocent East players who did nothing wrong,
however, now they are all looked at as whiners and cheats. Honor in a name is
more important to me than playing in the playoffs one year. East High Football
has now tarnished their name for along time. Timpview honored theirs by
admitting to one more game than they first knew about and took the punishment
they deserved. Good for them.