School president says the issue is resolved
"Had a homecoming display featured a graphic of the Manti LDS Temple (that
is surely a symbol to the local LDS community), nary a peep would have been
heard."The point is that nary a peep would have been heard.
that is probably true. but art work of a prominent architectural piece is a
little different to begin with. and also it was not done. mainly because it
would have been bad taste. it is likely taken down not because the university
had qualms but because the university had more respect for local businesses than
the organization. the business window it was placed on would have been private
property volunteering to help with school spirit and not religious propaganda.
It was in bad taste. you take money from me at the point of a gun for taxes and
then spend it on others pushing there agenda lds or christian or Muslim i
don't care. don't spend my money to be a disrespectful jerk. how about
we follow the golden rule for once as Christians.
It's paradoxical that Snow College, heavily informed in it's character
and prejudiced by LDS beliefs, is being sued for violating religious freedom.
Anything LDS has free reign on that campus. Is it a clash with that which is
"LDS" and that which is not. Had a homecoming display featured a
graphic of the Manti LDS Temple (that is surely a symbol to the local LDS
community), nary a peep would have been heard.
Excellent article, good job Deseret News. The Solid Rock Christian Club only
wants one thing, to have the same rights as all the other student led clubs. All
students pay student fees which are not State tax dollars. These fees are
designated for the funding of student activities such as clubs. To discriminate
against a student led club just because they happen to be religious is not
right, fair nor constitutional. The US constitution does not prohibit religion
it prohibits the government from endorsing one religion above another. This is
about freedom of speech, religion, expression, etc. for all religious student
led groups. This is not a Snow College religious club it is a student led club.
And, yes, Snow College did open a can of worms when they violated these students
constitutional rights. I commend the courage of these students for standing
strong. Where would we be today if brave African Americans had not stepped up to
the plate and demanded their rights as US Citizens.
"Another day, another comment by an atheist on a religious topic. Thanks
science person. Makes me wonder where you find topics on atheism to comment on.
Anybody?"This comment assumes that it is wrong or abnormal to
make comments on, take an interest in, or otherwise put effort into something or
someone in which you do not believe. Such a mind set assumes that one should
only affiliate with people like yourself, and ideas in which you already
believe.I yearn for the day when a believer overcomes my doubts and
convinces me that there is a god. No atheists I know can do that.And
so far, no believer has been able to do that.But most importantly,
atheism is the absence of belief. For atheists to be defined as the negative of
believers (as if we are deficient) is not only arrogant and mistaken, but
ignores the fact that we have nothing to discuss with one another regarding god
- any more than it would make sense for you to create a Leprechaun forum and
hold discourse with a bunch of people who do NOT believe in Leprechauns!
Another day, another comment by an atheist on a religious topic.Thanks
science person.Makes me wonder where you find topics on atheism to comment
It seems that Freedom of Speech advocates want a religious speech exclusion.
The term 'separation of church and state' is often touted and the
legal grounds for the exclusion, but the highest courts often are required to
read the law and ultimately rule in favor of religions. It'll be
interesting to see how the slippery slope this country is on plays out over the
next decade or so.
Public displays of religion, religious symbols, religious dogma is in fact the
advertising of a commercial product. It is a desirable thing that we keep
commercial advertising out of the public square. It is a case of fair
application of the notion of freedom of religion for all.While we do
allow the individual to advertise his religion through dress, jewelry and
personal action, we do this in the notion of freedom of religion for the
individual. Freedom of religion for the individual can only be
retained if we restrict the advertising of religion in the public square by
groups, clubs, churches and such.
It seems like this is getting resolved without any problems. It really sounds
like you had some "Constitution expert" at the school who didn't
know what he/she was talking about, and the whole thing was blown out of
proportion.You can have any club you want at a school like that,
however weird, mystical, or illogical; just don't hurt anyone else. No one
is funding the club directly.
@ Flashback,You missed the part where they said the business was an
"On Campus" business of Snow College. But I agree, since the college
said it was okay, there is no need for this lawsuit. Now it is just one group
trying to make a point without a point to be made. I'm sure the courts will
not even entertain this one. A Scientist - nothing wrong with
pressing the "religious freedom" issue. It is one that needs to be
pressed, since religious groups have been taking in the back for so many years.
The groups that try to remove religous freedoms have had their day, now it is
the time for the other side to stand up. This is a world where ALL can practice
thier particular freedoms, atheists, christians, muslims, etc... and should
never be trumped by one group. We should all just get along even if we disagree
with the belief of another.
Let's see. Snow College told an on-campus religious group that they
couldn't paint a cross on the window of a private business? Since that
business is private, why would or should the school care? Not a particularly
good decision. Glad they recinded this idiotic rule. As for a lawsuit? Since
the school is now playing ball, the lawsuit should be dropped.
This is not the end of this case. No, this issue is not resolved.Religious groups are pressing the so-called "religious freedom"
agenda, and they may find the backlash to be surprising.