AZRods,I will gladly compare the richness and fulness of my life
against yours any day... And I guarantee you mine will triumph!(How
do you like a taste of your own medicine?)
Re: meinmut,I thank you for your sensitivity to the feelings of
those of us who do not wish to follow religion. However, facts can
and must be proven. Facts, by their very definition, must be true. Your belief
or as you call it, "truth", is only true to you and your fellow
believers. As for your penny example, whether you "give no evidence that is
it there" or not, the fact remains that it is there. Evidence exists
proving that is there. The changed weight of your hand, the presence of trace
chemicals, etc., are ways in which science can prove that the penny exists. No
such proof can be offered for a god. That is why it is not a fact that god
exists. It is merely a belief that I respect but do not share with you.
Theories can and must be proven for them to become facts.As for you
second post, deal! You might be right and we will talk, but I might be right and
we can save the "I told you so" for another life. LOL
To "Really?", "Tornogal" and any others who feel the same - re: "We live full and meaningful lives that are not shrouded by
fantasy and wishful thinking...Truth and facts require evidence, of which you
have none. You have belief, nothing more."We can settle this
question once and for all,although it may take a little while. Let's meet
up in say, 200 years. (100, if you like.) If, as you say, we have our belief and
nothing more, then we'll be happily feeding wildflowers and no one will
care. If, on the other hand, we do continue after mortality, we'll have a
lot to talk about. :) Deal?
AZRods,Even as a Latter-day Saint, I have to agree with those who
have spoken against your presumptive statements about those of other beliefs.
Even those who believe there is no God have beliefs and find purpose in those
things important to them. I'm glad that your faith (as mine does) brings so
much fullness to your life that you can't imagine meaningful life without
it. Doesn't mean that others can't.To "really?" -
truth is truth, whether proven or not. If I hold a penny in my hand and give no
evidence that it is there, the evidence or lack thereof has no power over the
existence of that penny. That's the thing about science - theories cannot
be proven. They can only be disproven. Not much help. What is evidence to one
may not mean anything to the next guy - just like those things in your life that
add depth and purpose that AZRods may find empty. Much of meaning/evidence/etc
AZRods,I agree with "really?" I think your post was
terribly judgmental and presumptuous. You know little about those that posted
here as atheists, but you say they have no "inner core" or
"purpose"?Shame on you.
Re: AZRods,Those of us who don't believe in God or organized
religion do not live "empty hollow lives". We live full and meaningful
lives that are not shrouded by fantasy and wishful thinking. We don't wait
for a "second coming" that has been coming for 2000 years. We work
hard, enjoy our families and pursue our dreams. We do so without being
threatened with damnation nor bribed by eternal bliss. How dare you, or anyone
else, question my purpose or my fulfillment? Believe what you wish but
don't think for one minute that you have the truth on your side. Truth and
facts require evidence, of which you have none. You have belief, nothing more.
RE: Traditional Christians do not agree with LDS, Community of Christ,
Scientologists,unitarians, and Jehovah Witnesses about important beliefs but it
does not mean that we can't respect one another.True, Christians
should respect other faiths most of my family was Mormon, but Christians should
not agree on theological point such as: 1. Deification of man 2. Humanize God
3. Minimize sin 4. Ostracize scripture, 5. Evangelicals do not believe in
modern day prophets 6. The only true Church. 7. Deny the Tri-une God. 8.
Secrets closed to the outside. 9. A different Jesus. 10. A different Salvation.
"Reverend" Billy Graham lost his relevance to anything the night he
hugged Richard Nixon on stage years ago. He is an ancient and irrelevant
What would some people do without the church, we always have the usual crowd
who's only motivation in life seems to be verbally attacking something or
someone, the very thing they dislike is in controll of their day
- Mormons are not extreme right-wingers (Faithful Mormons,Paredes writes, are
advocates for positions on all sides of (moral) issues);============= I beg to disagree...He must not live in
Mormons and those who are not should agree on this: The truth matters. The
Billy Graham Association removed one of a series of articles that addressed
cults on its website but several other articles defining cults remain. The
deleted article listed a number of religions including Mormonism that most
traditional Christians regard as theological cults - some of the teachings of
each of these groups differ from shared Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant
doctrines. It's highly unlikely that Graham's association has changed
its views on Mormonism. LDS should agree that this is true since their claim to
being Christian refers to first century teaching which Mormons believe was lost
thus the need for restoration. Traditional Christians do not agree with LDS,
Community of Christ, Scientologists, Unitarians, and Jehovah Witnesses about
important beliefs but it does not mean that we can't respect one another.
It's always amusing when an atheist posts on a religious topic.It's like expecting an objective opinion about America from a die hard
terrorist.It also exposes the empty hollow life of someone who simply has
no inner core or purpose for his or her existence.Every day is the same
because there is nothing to hope for beyond this life.What an empty
telescope to peer through.
@ non believerThe eveidences abound but some refuse to see them,
which is their right, certainly. When the 2nd coming does occur, perhaps
you'll be surprised. Without faith in the first coming I can undrstand why
one would not believe in the 2nd coming.
Non believer, I think you got it backwards. All of the physical evidence in the
world does not mean a thing without faith.
As seen through the eyes of an Atheist, you are all cult members! A group whose
beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre. Until God visits me
personally or appears for the 2nd coming, I am not buying any of it! All the
FAITH in the world does not mean a thing without physical evidence!
sashabill,So if Romney loses, does the church go back to being a
cult?__________That's up to the Church, isn't it?"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."-
So if Romney loses, does the church go back to being a cult?
Let's not be hasty to label any group a cult when we know little about
them. Just because an upstart religion is new or has unusual ideas doesn't
make them illegitimate.