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Published: Sunday, Oct. 21 2012 10:22 p.m. MDT

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Soul
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't have a problem with the UHSSA TRANSFER RULES, requiring a one year waiting period before a transfer student is eligible to play sports in the receiving high school. BUT I do have a problem with the disproportionate "one shoe fits all" punishment for a variety of minor eligibility infractions. This "capital punishment" mentality is nothing short of INSTITUTIONALIZED BULLYING. It is anti-student, anti-education, and contrary to our very purpose for existing, that is to SERVE STUDENT EDUCATIONAL NEEDS. After all, this is high school sport, and NOT a death sentence for failing to correctly fill out a form, or correct minor violations. The punishment must fit the intent and extent of the ineligibility violation.
Please read Section 6 of the UHSSA Tranfer Rules which allow for discretionary ruling. For many people, there is an erroneous assumption that every eligibility violation MUST be punished with extreme forfeiture.

For East High School, I think UHSAA applied the Transfer Rules correctly.

UteFan21
HERRIMAN, UT

It's very simple, folks: Did East play ineligible players? If they did, then they forfeit ALL of those games just like Timpview was required to do. If not, keep them at #1 in Region 6 and move forward. Very simple, UHSAA. Now all you need to do is is grow a spine and DO THE RIGHT THING!!! That's why you're in business, right?

Me, Myself and I
The Promised Land, UT

Let me clarify a bit about my "to be the best you have to beat the best" statement. I'm in no way saying East should be playing in the playoffs. I support and agree with the first decision of the UHSAA, that East forfeit their wins where ineligible players played. My point was now they have overturned that decision and more than likely East will play (although they shouldn't), lets stop complaining about it and dig in and play ball. No one wants to see this go to the courts. Going to the courts will just make a messy situation even messier. Think about it a court case won't be heard before the playoffs start or maybe not until they are over. So what are you going to do if a court rules in favor of the original ruling and let's say East finishes second. Are the three teams they beat going to replay each other to determine who gets to replay the championship against the team who wins it? Or if East wins it are you going to simply award it to the runner up without giving those other teams a chance? MESSY

whynot67
Sandy, UT

I am going out on a limb and asking why the student athletes at east who played by the rules and worked just as hard as the rest of the state's student athletes should be punished for something they had no control over. I disagree with punishing a program and all its players for the errors of the adult administrators. There was no intent to cheat from what I have read. No advantage was gained by the ineligible players so why punish them all? Why don't parents and coaches step back and see if they feel the same if the tables were turned. If Herriman can't beat East then they shouldn't be state champions anyway. Or they just wanted a watered down easier path to play. If I were the Herriman players I would be insulted that their own coaches and parents don't think they are up to the task. If you want to be the champions then beat anyone in your way.

eagle
Provo, UT

Indeed,

some good investigative journalism would reveal who these Board of Trustees are. Many assume, as I did at first, like the Executive Committee, that they are principals. But I learned that most are private citizens, some elected school board members.

So who are they in general? Who made the specific decisions here? And what possible ties to East could they possibly have to come to this conclusion?

It is time for the Deseret News to step up and investigate this matter.

Also, besides Herriman and Logan losing out, by the BOT upholding Timpview's forfeit losses but not East's gave Mountain View the fifth seed in region over Salem Hills and Springville. The other loser in this is Cyprus. The decision has ripple effects in every single game as some schools benefitted form easier games against lesser seeded teams (Orem, Maple Mountain, Box Elder, Highland, Bountiful) while others (Herriman, Logan, Mountain View, Timpview) got harder games because of the inconsistency of the decisions. You either kick East out or you restore East and Timpview's victories, restore integrity to the bracket while giving Salem Hills and Springville a right to play into the tournament.

WestGranger
West Valley City, Utah

Grossly unfair decision by the Trustees. They are the bad guys right now. Such a conspicuous error doesn't reflect very well on their decision making abilities or common sense.I hope it is an aberration and not the norm.

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

RS I concur. You live on the East side of SLC you play for East. West side you play for West. Problem solved.

Goldendomer
Holladay, UT

The first thing I saw on the news Friday night when the "new" ruling came down was a group of East players performing the Haka dance. The reason I bring this up is because the Haka is a dance for warriors. When I think of a "warrior" I think of someone who values "Honor" above all else.

Weather by accident or intentionally East broke the rules. The penalty is forfeiture of games. They should be eliminated from the play offs. It's unfortunate and my heart goes out to the kids who did every thing right, but that's the way it is.

In time, this situation will fade away. East may win it all and their players and coaches will be able to claim best in the land but they will never be able to make that claim with pure heart and clear conscious. If they choose integrity and honor it will be a lesson to others and last in glory for ever.

So what say you East? It's time to show us who you all are. Is Honor more important than a tainted State Championship?

My money is on Harriman any way! Go Mustangs!

Andrew J. Marksen
Deseret, UT

I would love to see the UHSAA dragged into a massive lawsuit that will expose all of their dirty laundry once and for all. It would force them to abide by their own rules and rulings along with expose the entire body in a way normal citizens never could. The rigors of lawyers and judges crawling through every scrap of paper and person that makes up the UHSAA boards is just the cleaning Utah high school sports needs.

sid 6.7
Holladay, UT

The first thing I saw on the news Friday night when the "new" ruling came down was a group of East players performing the Haka dance. The reason I bring this up is because the Haka is a dance for warriors. When I think of a "warrior" I think of someone who values "Honor" above all else.

Weather by accident or intentionally East broke the rules. The penalty is forfeiture of games. They should be eliminated from the play off’s. It's unfortunate and my heart goes out to the kids who did every thing right, but that's the way it is.

In time, this situation will fade away. East may win it all and their players and coaches will be able to claim best in the land but they will never be able to make that claim with pure heart and clear conscious. If they choose integrity and honor it will be a lesson to others and last in glory for ever.

So what say you East? It's time to show us who you all are. Is Honor more important than a tainted State Championship?

My money is on Harriman any way! Go Mustangs!

Stang08
Cedar City, Utah

The players don't deserve to be punished. Clearly East deserves the chance at a title. They earned it.

Bruzzer
Ogden, UT

Utah verison of the BCS Mr shurcliff where are you ?

casual observer
Salt Lake City, UT

It appears that regulations are fine until they disrupt someone's illegal behavior.

Bruzzer
Ogden, UT

Open enrollment is nothing but a way to cheat and it should all be closed. If not, then all the schools, who have open enrollment, should be put in their own region and play each other, forming a super region.
If you want all of the children to this State to be winners, then, the whole system has to be as equal as you can possibly make it. The kids across the other side of the tracks need to feel like winners just as much as the affluent ones. Winning in sports can form a winning mental outlook for young minds, just as much as academic success. And that goes for the entire student body, whether they participate or

Bruzzer
Ogden, UT

If you want all of the children to this State to be winners, then, the whole system has to be as equal as you can possibly make it. The kids across the other side of the tracks need to feel like winners just as much as the affluent ones. Winning in sports can form a winning mental outlook for young minds, just as much as academic success. And that goes for the entire student body, whether they participate or
We, as a society, need to find a way to get our moral standard set to a higher level and what better place to start than at the educational level. Let’s show our children that it is not right to cheat, lie or steal just to win. Let’s teach them to have respect for each other and their elders. It’s been said many times, “it’s not how you win, but how you play the game.” If you are forthright and honest, you can always hold your head high and you are, indeed, a winner.

just-a-fan
Bountiful, UT

There is only one source of all of this...whoever decided to play illegal players. Punish that team. Not the state.

7runner2117
CLEARFIELD, UT

I know that both sides of the situation can be seen here, I was just curious though, are people protesting the decision due to "the right thing to do" or is the protest coming from, "teams that just don't want to play East High"?

First off, I know that kids that played and worked all season long to one of the elite teams in the state, having their title shot taken from them is really disheartening, nobody wants to see that, but in that same light, football is a team effort, and that actions of can can and will effect the entire team.

Second, this is a double edge sword either way that you look at it, I really can't see a way for this to be resolved with all parties satisfied. But the right thing to do is not always the easiest, regardless of what side you are on.

But the schools or people that don't want East to play, just because you want to see the 'Big dog' go down, or avoid playing them in the tournament, you are not seeking justice the matter.

Me, Myself and I
The Promised Land, UT

@NeilT

What about players that don't live in either West's or East's boundries? If you had followed this story you would know the original ineligible player who played for East lived in Highland's boundries. He came to East from an alternative school run by the district where most students who attend there are in East's boundries.

Open enrollment isn't the bad guy, but it needs to be adjusted. If the rules where better set up then these problems wouldn't be so big. Open enrollment should apply only for a student's freshman year in schools that enroll 9th-12th and a student's sophomore year in those who are 10th-12th. Any transfer after that should then have to be an entire family moving into the new schools boundaries. Or you sit out of varsity sports for a year like the current transfer rule states. Or maybe adopt the NCAA transfer rule where if you transfer to a lower classification you don't have to wait, but if you transfer within the same or to a higher one you sit out a year unless your current coach signs off on the transfer.

optic yellow
Ogden, UT

These are just a few questions I have...

Who gives the UHSAA its power?

Was it created by the state legislature or the Utah State office of education for the purpose of handling athletics in the state?

Does it have power because the high schools all just go along with what they say? Do they crown the champ because they have actual authority to do so, or is this like the BCS(formerly the UPI) vs AP National champion.

Could some one start a new governing body and recruit schools into thier system? Similar to the old NIT vs NCAA tournaments?

Could the local high schools go together and create their own playoff system?

These are just a few questions I have...

Does anyone know the answers? Amy D?

mykaljordan
draper, ut

Seems like these other schools are scared,that they have no chance if east plays.. come on man...let the kids play

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