Hatch uses harsh words against Obama team in chat with students


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  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Oct. 23, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    There have been many comments about Hatch working with Mitt and that would be a great thing to happen. Due to the outdated electoral college Mitt will soon be looking for work and that is the best thing that could happen to this state is for Orrin to be looking for his next gig as well.

  • Kate Hutch Kenmore, WA
    Oct. 20, 2012 7:04 p.m.

    OldMan and Rifleman:
    Nobody condones high school-aged people having sex. Condone means to accept and allow behavior that is considered morally wrong/offensive; or to approve/sanction something with reluctance. NOBODY approves of high school-aged students having sex. However, we MUST deal with the reality that, unfortunately, it happens. The adults responding here: how many waited? While nobody condones sex among young people, it happens. So, now what? How do we deal with that reality? Young people must not make that second mistake: create a life before they are ready to provide for that life. NOBODY likes abortion, so pregnancy avoidance must be top priority. Providing pregnancy prevention is essential for those children who will not wait as we can't watch them every minute. They must have the information, and it must be confidential and safe. Otherwise, we have those unfortunate situations we hear all too often of a baby being born privately of a teen, family did not know of the pregnancy, and the young mother, terrified, does not allow that baby to survive because her family might find out and she cannot bear to disappoint them.

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 4:19 p.m.

    Why not out source Congress to China? I bet we can get Congressman for $10,000 a year and a Senator for $15,000 without health care benefits? We might get more work out of them, too.

    Most Congressmen wear Chinese suits, Chinese ties, Chinese shoes, and Chinese made underwear, so why not just put a Chinese person in all the Chinese clothes and call it a day.

    Hearing Obama waring a Chinese suit, shirt, pant, and shoes talking about Romney investments in China is funny.

    America a strange town demanding minimum wage for ourselves, but not others in the world.

    Talking about Chinese investments being bad while wearing Chinese clothes.

    How long will China keep taking printing press money? We should really outsource Congress and get right to socialism.

    What we need world minimum wage? That would put all Americans back to work, because there would be no 12 cent an hour labor to build iphones.

    Rice andlow mein in the White instead of potatoes and beef. Cheaper and healthier.

  • Kate Hutch Kenmore, WA
    Oct. 20, 2012 2:54 p.m.

    You would not BELIEVE how much money is wasted in the military industrial complex and how you, the taxpayer, are making millionaires left and right of those people who are contracting with our military and they thank you from the bottom of their hearts, right after they write out those checks to the politicians who threw money their way.

    By the way, Mia Love's family immigrated here and were poor, but took advantage of our taxpayers' generosity to get where they are. She got on the boat and wants to pull up the ramp so others cannot climb on too.

    Education is not the place to make cuts.

  • collegegirl Draper, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    I think Mia is doing a great job at bringing up the tough issues. We have some serious spending problems and I'm glad she is explaining them to the younger generation. There is nothing wrong with being conservative, especially when representing Utah's values. She is going to ensure that the U.S does not crumble from debt, while Jim Matheson seems satisfied with the status quo.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 20, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    Re:one old man Ogden, UT
    "The idea that "liberals" condone, and by implication encourage premarital sex among teenagers is still ludicrous"

    No so. It isn't people's lip service but their behavior that determines what they condone, the statistics on promiscuous casual sex among high school age students can't be denied, and while this may come as a shock to some ...... these folks aren't flocking to the Republican party.

  • delasalle Sandy, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 1:07 a.m.

    "We'll have the only two conservative black people in the whole country and they're both terrific," Hatch said referring to Love and Florida Congressman Allen West.

    I guess Hatch doesn't get out much. There are plenty of other "conservative black people" in this country, but you do have to get out of your mansion on the white hill to find them.

    I love how the Republicans are always complaining about the Democrats' focus on race but the first chance they get to tout their "black" conservatives they jump all over it. Who doesn't doubt that Mia Love would be getting zero attention from the Republicans if she weren't black. In other words, for Republicans it's actually ALL about race.

    And this is coming from somebody who will vote for Romney, not because of race, religion or anything else, other than he is most qualified.

  • slcjimmy SLC, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 7:56 p.m.

    This newspaper is such a partisan propaganda. I'm new to SLC & Utah. Never have I come across such blatant pandering & ridiculous bias in order to please its base.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 6:46 p.m.

    Rifle, question or comment -- no matter. The idea that "liberals" condone, and by implication encourage premarital sex among teenagers is still ludicrous. That's no different than someone claiming that all conservatives are encouraging people like Timothy McVeigh.

  • bluejean Farmington, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 5:29 p.m.

    Ho hum. Hatch has always been crusty.

    Don't see the big shake up over the Dept. of Ed.. Eliminating Dept. of Ed. would probably improve education as it becomes state work instead of Federal waste. For all the tax $ spent- US education continues to crumble along with the family.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 19, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    Re: one old man Ogden, UT
    "His second is completely ludicrous."

    My first was a comment. My second was a question. And yes, there is a difference.

    Where an estimated 75% of girls have engaged in premarital sex by age 19 my question may not be quite as ludicrous as some of the liberals would like to admit.

  • GoldieZ Central, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    Just because foul language is used in the high schools doesn't mean it is ok to hear it elsewhere. Young people need a good example, not a fellow foul mouth.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    Rifle says: "Apparently those concerned with Sen. Hatch's language haven't been in a high school in the last decade. The language student's use would make a drunken sailor blush.

    How many of the commenters above that express concern over Hatch's language condone premarital sex among high school age students?"

    His first comment is unfortunately true. But does that mean Hatch should not be an example?

    His second is completely ludicrous. I doubt very much if ANY posters of any kind condone that. This is one splendid example of his continual attempts to demonize people who disagree with him.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 19, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    Re: The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    "Get Hatch Out!"

    Unlike Obama Sen. Hatch is still going to be around after Nov. 6th.

    Apparently those concerned with Sen. Hatch's language haven't been in a high school in the last decade. The language student's use would make a drunken sailor blush.

    How many of the commenters above that express concern over Hatch's language condone premarital sex among high school age students?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    Desnews: Deseret News Comment Denied.
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    Time for orrin to go.

  • GoldieZ Central, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    So sad that a representative of our government and a member of the church uses language that should embarrass him.

  • InspectorC Wasatch Front, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    NeilT @ 10:41 a.m. ---
    "For the first time in my life I am voting against Hatch. Totally support term limits."

    At this juncture, a vote against Hatch ONLY imposes a "term limit" on him... one lone Senator.

    But that will do NOTHING to eliminate the "good old boys" club in D.C.

    Hatch --by himself-- is NOT the problem; it's the D.C. fat-cats group in it's entirety that's the problem.

    A cancer patient with four tumors does no good to only have ONE of those tumors removed!

    If we (The People of Utah) vote out Hatch now, the rest of the "cancer" still remains, and Utah only LOSES position and power on the totem-pole of politics.

    Term limits on ALL members of Congress is the ONLY solution. We've GOT to get term limits in place!!

    No matter how mad you are at Hatch, or tired of him or dislike him, DON'T vote against him now!

  • WAlton Roseville, CA
    Oct. 19, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    Hard to understand why Senator Hatch uses words that General Authorties don't use. Especially to young people. Why is that?

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Oct. 19, 2012 10:59 a.m.


    "....the use of any profanity only shows, "A lack of culture." A man of Hatch's supposed character, not to mention that he is a Priesthood holder, using such language is embarrasing."

    I doubt that J. Golden Kimball would have even noticed.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Oct. 19, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    Hatch should be retired, but not because he used a common epithet, but because he has become a partisan dog whistler for the extremist Tea Party croud. As such he will not be in any position to work across the isle.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 10:40 a.m.

    For the first time in mhy life I am voting against Hatch. Totally support term limits. Two terms in the Senate. Three four year terms in the house. Time for Hatch to retire. If three terms was to long for Moss then it should apply to Hatch to.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    Steve, I've heard that, but as I've tried to research the source, I've found several that indicate President Kimball may have been quoting President McKay when he said that.

    I really am not sure. But it's still a very valid comment no matter where it came from.

  • Grandma Char Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    I think Hatch was trying to relate to the college students. I don't agree with it.

    I supported Dan Liljenquist in the primaries, but Hatch's opponent now is not worthy to be in the Senate. He definitely will not help us get this economy going again. Hatch is what we have. Knowing that he will work with Mitt will do.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 9:45 a.m.

    @One old man

    Re: One more illustration of the truthfulness of a comment made by David O. McKay (I think it was): "Foul language is nothing but the pitiful attempt of a feeble mind to express itself forcefully."

    You were very close, but it was actually Spencer W. Kimball who said: "Profanity is the effort of a feeble brain to express itself forcibly.”

  • Johnnyoh! ,
    Oct. 19, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    Hatch may have been in congress too long, but will be hard to replace him with Scott Howell, Hatch has done more than any person elected to congress from Utah to champion womens rights, and keep what little civility there is in the senate.
    So until the Democrats of old come back, probably not in my life time I will support him or whomever the opposition selects.
    Mia Love is a breath of fresh air compared to Matheson, who is nothing like his father, Jim has become a Pelosi surrogate. Has anyone asked Jim who he would support as speaker of the house if by chance the Demmies would gain back control of congress?...just saying

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 9:32 a.m.

    There's no excuse for this.

    Hatch once again, demonstrates his lack of class and complete and utter hypocrisy.

    Then Hatch complains about the nation being divided and how uncivil the political climate has become?

    YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM HATCH!!! You've been part of the problem for decades!

    Get Hatch Out!

  • InspectorC Wasatch Front, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 9:29 a.m.

    1) Very disappointed by Hatch's crude language, and his "pandering" to the young people in this shameful way.

    2) Hatch has been in office so many years, I believe HE must accept personal responsibility for the HUGE MESS this country is in. If his seniority in the Senate has made him SO powerful and invaluable to The People, then why the heck has he let OUR country drift into the horrible condition it's in.

    3) I believe we (The People) MUST establish Term Limits on these servants!!

    4) BUT.... until that glorious day comes, it does us NO GOOD to turn Sen. Hatch out of office UNLESS *EVERY* OTHER U.S. Senator is under the SAME edict.

    5) If we (Utahns) fire Hatch now, we are only shooting ourselves in the foot, and damaging Utah's position of power in a corrupt, antiquated system.

    6) It's gotta be ALL OR NONE when it comes to Term Limits. A level playing field for ALL 50 States. We've GOT to hold our noses and vote for Hatch once again!!

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    I'm a Republican conservative, but this type of language to the youth of this nation, is not acceptable, and appalling from a man of Hatch's supposed stature. I'm ashamed of him hanging on for so many years, and not letting younger, fresher minds have a chance. What ever happened to serving a mission for one's church? Time is passed for Hatch.

    I'm voting against him at all costs.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Oct. 19, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    "Our Blacks are more conservative than yours." The very fact that hatch brought that up shows how old school he is. Or how too old for school he is. He isn't going to change. Time for him to go.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    One more illustration of the truthfulness of a comment made by David O. McKay (I think it was): "Foul language is nothing but the pitiful attempt of a feeble mind to express itself forcefully."

  • Utah Observer West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 19, 2012 8:15 a.m.

    Mia Love is trying to back away from her earlier comments made to win support from GOP delegates to win the nomination at the convention. She used terms earlier in the year that had the ring of the Tea Party rhetoric to impress people that she was just as conservative if not more so than Wimmer or Sandstrom. Now she is attempting to move more to the center, thinking that her image will prevail against moderate Matheson so those delegates won't be so mad why she is backtracking. Why do politicans like her and Hatch play these silly games with words? Must be a GOP requirement for office.

  • cros La Crosse, WI
    Oct. 19, 2012 8:02 a.m.

    Its sad to see Senator Hatch pander for votes to the young crowd by pretending to be one of them. Apparently it worked for at least one commentator on this page. I like the senator, but I like him less knowing his unrefined manner of speech. His gray hair suggests he should have grown up by now. His language suggests he's still figuring that out.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 19, 2012 7:56 a.m.

    Hey Oral, thanks for reminding me why I'm no longer a republican.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    What's hilarious is the support he's getting on this discussion board for this language. If Scott Howell, or any Dem, had done this, we would be subjected to days of "this is just more evidence of the party's irreverence and disrespect for civility." Shameful display from a tired old man who needs retired.

    Oct. 19, 2012 7:13 a.m.

    Vote FOR Jim Matheson - THE only moderate Utah representative in Washington D.C. Mia Love is too far to the right.

    Retire Orrin Hatch who campaigned 36 years ago that 3 terms was too long for a senator.

  • Mugabe ACWORTH, GA
    Oct. 19, 2012 6:30 a.m.

    My Mom has always told us that the use of any profanity only shows, "A lack of culture." A man of Hatch's supposed character, not to mention that he is a Priesthood holder, using such language is embarrasing.

    I guess the question for me is this, with the many years he has been in the House, why hasn't he been able to solve the problems that he is complaining about. What will he do differently if Governor Romney is elected? In my opinion, Senator Hatch has out lived his usefulness to the People of Utah, I don't know why they keep electing him.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Oct. 19, 2012 6:28 a.m.

    This is unacceptable speech for Hatch anywhere, especially with school aged kids. And a poor example coming from someone who should be acting as a senior statesman. He is demonstrating the kind of crude discourse that many want to impose on us in talking about our politicians today.

    I heard Hatch at my HS in his first campaign. I was unimpressed then and sad to say, have no respect for him today. And I'm a lifelong Republican.

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 6:19 a.m.

    Hilarious! he's got my vote!

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 5:21 a.m.

    Forty two years in the senate is wrong; a lot of years on government health care. Term limits for Congress.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 5:06 a.m.

    Too funny...

    DN Moderators are always eagle eyed in their search for readers making hatch-like comments.

    Hence, the denied e-mail.

    Yet hatch gets a pass?

    Looking forward to more encouraging civil dialogue and thoughtful comments from hatch..

    Oct. 19, 2012 1:04 a.m.

    They say that as a person gets older they lose the "filter" that sensors what they say. It sounds like Senator Hatch has reached that point.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 12:01 a.m.

    Vote for Mia Love. We need to give Mitt Romney the support he needs in the Senate and House. Every vote counts! We must reclaim this country from financial ruin.

    Romney-Ryan 2012 God bless America!