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UHSAA ruling: East High forced to forfeit seven games, eliminated from high school playoffs

Appeal could be heard this weekend

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  • mab93 Provo, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    @BigBenzo88 It was the same player. It turned out he played in the Maple Mountain game, not the Lone Peak game.

  • RevWillieG Washington, UT
    Oct. 22, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    Reminds me of the flap during the Little League All-Stars in Cedar City a couple years ago. Washington used an inelgble player and forfeited the game. The league president and player agent both signed the affidavit for the kid in question regarding the number of games he had played. Whether it's oversight, assumptions, misinformation, or all the above, it doesn't matter. The rules are there for a reason. Intent doesn't matter.

  • MrAGoncalves west point, UT
    Oct. 20, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    I dont know too much about this but now lets think about this. If East now moves to fourth seed in their region they would have to play the number 1 seed in another region. Now how fair would that be when the first place seed have to play East. Its as if they are playing a first seed which is not fair to them. They should play a true fourth seed team and not one that shows fourth seed on paperwork or because of the East punishment. Also are the players who should not have played because of paperwork now get to play or not?

  • Civil Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 4:09 p.m.

    "Football is everything to us,"

    Maybe it shouldn't be...

    Maybe football should be "a" thing, but not "everything."

    [My sport] is everything" to the many bankrupt former NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, to the athletes on steroids, etc.

  • needruff LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    May or may not doesn't matter, Pecedent has been set. It's a forfeiture if a ineligible player plays. Here and nationwide. It's understood. It's too bad. But it's the way it's always been done. Question really is here is when did the Coach find out?

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Oct. 19, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    amanap- maybe you missed my point. I was not saying that the UHSAA was at fault, I believe the rules should be followed by everyone. What I meant by my comment was how would you feel if your son/daughter played on a team that had one of these kids on it, that suddenly because of something out of their control were to happen and they lost everything they worked so hard for. I was mainly just saying to think about all the innocent kids who are affected by someone else's mistake. Whether that be the coaches, AD, the player or his/her parents, it's too bad the innocent other team members have to suffer from someone else's doing. Think of it this way, if one or two kids get caught stealing or something to that effect, just they get kicked off the team, the whole team doesn't have to sit out a game or end their season. Why should this be different? The rest of those student athletes had no bearing on those players and their eligibility.

  • SandyMan84 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    Everyone's prescribed solution (disallow transfers-no open enrollment) to this problem IS THE PROBLEM in the first place. Open enrollment is a wonderful policy that provides opportunities for kids to pursue educational, athletic, and social situations more ideal to their situation. We should be more concerned that kids feel comfortable, wanted, and motivated to learn, live, and play than if they live in a certain neighborhood. Seriously: any kid should be able to move to any school, at any time, and participate in any activity that they choose. Why are adults so bent on restricting where kids can study, or play football? Shouldn't we be more concerned about the real negative influences in our society as our rate of drug use, violence, and alcoholism among teens skyrocket in this state you are talking about football...seriously, football...Adults just need to make it open: any kid can go where they want, and feel the best and let the kids go to school, play sports, and associate with who they want, where they want.

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 2:47 p.m.

    @camera2head - I don't know about the "East beating Herriman 100 times" comment. Herriman is prepared to play East in the 1st or 2nd round or in the Semis or Championship Game. East and Herriman have played 2 common teams....Highland and Clearfield with similar results: Herriman beat Highland 31-14 and East beat Highland 34-13. Herriman beat Clearfield 50-7 and East beat Clearfield 47-0...so very comparable. Herriman has the #1 scoring offense in 4A and the #1 scoring offense in Utah and has the #5 scoring defense in 4A and the #18 scoring defense in Utah.

    I believe East has the tools to beat any team in Utah...Herriman included. However, Herriman can be competitive with any team in Utah as well...East included!!!!

    @mab93 & @RTURN598 - Timpview reported more ineligible players played in more games!!!

    I hope that the UHSAA can come to a swift and proper resolution with East and Timpview because as many as 5 teams hang in the balance as to if they will be in the playoffs or not (East, Cyprus, Mountain View, Springville and Salem Hills).

    A ruling should be announced within the hour....should be interesting!!!!

  • Soul Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    Before we jump into any invalid conclusion, LET US READ WHAT THE UHSSA TRANSFER RULES SAYS:

    Section 6 outlines a series of penalties available to the Association for rules infractions. Among those is the penalty of forfeiture. “In cases of the use of an ineligible player, the non-complying school may forfeit any contest, team title or team championship obtained when such an ineligible player competed as part of the team.

    Please notice the word "MAY" forfeit any contest, etc. In this case, the word MAY is equivalent to the meaning of "maybe yes, or maybe not". Furthermore, MAY does NOT mean "must", "will", or "shall" be required to forfeit any contest, etc.

    Region 6' Board of Managers, who has jurisdiction over East High School, met for 3 hours to seriously address the eligibility violation of 4 football players. They concluded by a vote of 5 to 1 that "MAY = may be not" to punish 120 complying students with forfeiture.

    We appreciate that Region 6 plays by the actual UHSAA TRANSFER RULES (as stated above). I hope the UHSSA Appeal Panel will see the Transfer Rules in the same light of day, and allow the students to play football.

  • RTURN598 south jordan, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    don't know why people are saying timpview had ineligible players the WHOLE season and should be punished just like east. sorry guys but those accusations are flat out WRONG! yes we had an ineligible player, but he only played against lp, westlake and mountain view. hes also like a 3rd/4th string player. uhsaa met and actually did punish us like east because they took away those wins that he played in. but it was only 3 games. oh and guess who investigated and reported this? OUR OWN PRINCIPAL. so whoever thinks timpview has been getting passes? please. we have been getting scrutiny and criticism from EVERY direction. bottom line is we got punished by the SAME standard as east did but the difference was we only had an ineligible player for 3 games, not the whole season. so if ur going by the rules, we got punished justly and we still made the playoffs. get over it and watch out because we want that state title back!
    p.s i truly feel sorry for east. sad to see those guys go after all their hard work. we really wanted a shot at u guys at RES.

  • mab93 Provo, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    @The Real Maverick

    The Timpview hearing today is the final appeal not more ineligible player violations. I think Springville and/or Salem Hills are the most interested overturning the Mountain View forfeiture. I would be shocked if there were any other ineligible Timpview players. It was the Timpview Principal that found the paperwork errors and reported them. It wasn't another team suspecting violations. I am sure that by now he has gone over all the paperwork and he has the skills to be a great accountant or auditor and very much a rule follower. If every team had their paperwork looked over like Timpview's I'm sure a lot of other teams would have forfeiture.

  • camera2head west jordan, utah
    Oct. 19, 2012 12:13 p.m.

    So lets get this straight from East's story,the ineligible starting tackle only played 8 plays in garbage time vs Cyprus,thats the first version. Now he only played against Cyprus and Clearfield the two lowest seeds in the region. Wouldn't make any sense to play your starting tackle against say the best teams like Bountiful,Highland, or Woods Cross. So the story changes again.

    They played ineligible players period. If they played Cyprus 100 times this year they would beat them 100 times. Then they would go on the road and beat HERRIMAN 100 TIMES. Little doubt they are that good. Point is they either followed the rules set forth or they didn't. BLACK OR WHITE, NOT GREY.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    If the UHSAA goes back on their decision, expect even more corruption and rule breaking in the future.

    Take a stand right now.

    Punish East and Timpview.

    It's time to clean up HS sports. Stop punishing the teams and players who do things right while rewarding programs who don't!

  • Bruzzer Ogden, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    make them have a in play with cyprus then if they win they goes as the fourth place on the road all the way and punish the princpal and coach princpal get a six figures income to oversee what goes on inside the four walls plain and simple

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    Just so everyone knows....the East and Timpview appeals hearing is taking place right now. Follow it on twitter @kylegoon . East is putting up strong and compelling testimony and may be swaying the board to overturn. Remember that the board voted 3-2 to forfeit East's games. The principal and AD are asking to for the wins to be reinstated in exchange for their firings. They are asking that East be given the #4 seed because only the Cyprus and Clearfield games should be forfeited.

    Very compelling stuff. It will basically come down to UHSAA holding their ground or having compassion. East believes they are being made an example of and even stated that in the history of Utah football, only 2 teams (West in 1916 and Ogden in 1968) have missed the playoffs because of forfeits. Principal Sagers is pleading/crying for UHSAA to have compassion on his boys...even if it means his job. This result will be interesting indeed.

    Follow @kylegoon on twitter right now!!!

  • camera2head west jordan, utah
    Oct. 19, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    LAsorda: You are right on point except for one thing.The question states right on the tryout checklist. SCHOOL ATTENDED LAST YEAR?? Starts with parent/athlete right there.If they put EAST on there and its not the case that is dishonest from the start. It is not that difficult,says any other school,you fill out paperwork,send to UHSAA, they make ruling. Where is the grey area they speak about. Other thing the rule didn't change this year on charter schools,you attend a charter school you can play for school in your boundary. This is not new.

    BigBenzo: Why would we make a certain penalty depending on how many players it was involved. One is enough! Interesting if people follow this story all along,1st East minimizes says it was just 8 plays in blow out. Now truth comes out kid is starter,so lets change course, its minor clerical error and throw AD under the bus only. I myself see this as an integrity problem on East's part right there.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 19, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    Re: The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    "Rules are rules folks. If they aren't enforced then why have them at all?"

    Which is why the Obama Administration enforces laws against illegal entry into our country .... right??

  • Ask the Football PRO SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    Plain and Simple, You Play (illegal) You PAY!!! Besides the A.D. Making a clerical mistake, it's still the head coach responsibility to MAKE SURE, EVERY PLAYER IS ELIGIBLE!!! Shame on Brandon for letting this happen to his team with the A.D. He should RETIRE as well!!! STOP RECRUITING!!! Congratlations to UHSAA for doing what's right. This will be a great life lesson for these young men. I wish these young men well and you guys were AWESOME THIS YEAR!!! I believed EAST HIGH WAS THE BEST IN UTAH!!! But give any other School these 4 players and you see what happens they lost their last game. Good Luck I wish you well.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Oct. 19, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    You cannot argue about the speed limit being unfair AFTER you get a speeding ticket.

    East should have played their guts out and beat Logan, they would have had more credability being undefeated.

    Being mentaly exhausted is not an excuse for losing.

  • LAsorda Orem, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    How is it that only East can't figure out the transfer rules? 100+ other schools don't have this problem.
    I feel bad for the kids but the coach, the AD, and the principal are supposed to pay extra attention to new students who want to play athletics. The UHSAA has several meetings prior to implementing any new rules where the refion reps attend, get input, and return to the UHSAA before any votes are taken. Afterwards, training are held for the ADs. Each district has a rep who talks to each principal.

    The coach needs to be involved as much as the AD or principal. There are questions that need to be asked of the student and parents as well as forms. The easiest question is: Did you play a sport at another school?

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 10:38 a.m.

    @Uncle Sam - I'm not looking for a scapegoat. As I have been posting for since this story first broke a week ago...I think forfeiture should be the last option in situations like this. I think firings of the coach, AD and principal should happen before games are forfeited. When a player is found to have played while ineligible....you fire the coach. A second player is found...you fire the AD. A third player is found...you fire the principal. A fourth player is found...you forfeit wins. You find a fifth player...the school is on probation for a year and cannot win region games nor go to the playoffs. I promise...if you implement rules like this....there will never be another ineligible kid on the field again!!!!

    I'm not looking for a scapegoat...I just think that forfeiting games and punishing the kids should be the 4th option. So in the case of East...I say fire the coach, AD and principal...let the team keep their wins, region title and #1 seed. You will never have a problem again from East or any other school in Utah for that matter!!!

  • 123UTAH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    It is simply: East played ineligible players therefore their wins were taken away!!! East needs to quit crying and accept what they did!!

  • needruff LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    I am a Logan, fan and former player. I have been to most of Logan's games this year and can say they are not the best team in 4A by any means. East probably is the best, but they weren't unbeatable. They probably would have won state, but not for sure. As for East precedent has been set. You play a ineligible player you forfeit the game. They just happen to do it 7 times and 4 of the 5 region games. It's tragic what has happened to these kids who didn't do anything wrong. But precedent has been set, here and around the country. There is no going back.

  • just sayin' Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 10:26 a.m.

    The buck stops with coach Matich! It's his program his ultimate responsibility. Because they attract or entice football transfers not unlike a few other schools he needs to make personally sure his players are properly documented by the UHSAA. You cannot change the rules or consequences however dreadful after the fact. It's not the admins job--good gracious--surely there is better use of taxpayer funds for education. She is just a scapegoat for irresponsibility and lack of accountability from the coach. UHSAA did the right thing.

  • mab93 Provo, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    @ODucks,

    Timpview was held to a higher standard by their region than East. And the same standard by UHSAA. "... the Panel determines that Timpview must forfeit ANY contest in which it used an ineligible player." They forfeited every 2012 varsity game an ineligible player played in. He wasn't a starter.

  • YouBet Salt Lake City , UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    UHSAA is just as much to blame on this one. Isn't there any follow-through and checking "the paperwork" when it's turned in? Do they have the staff to check every player, every address, every transfer? The fact that this came to light at the end of the season is tragic. "The paperwork" should have been checked by BOTH PARTIES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON. To punish the entire team, the coaching staff, families, the school, and the community at this time in the season is in poor taste.

  • teddy_bear_assassin Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 9:45 a.m.

    The difference in the Jordan case is that the school and coaches thought the Cali boys transfers were being taken care of by adults. Once Jordan found out that the transfers had not be filed they went thru the proper process, the boys were denied and they did not play.

    It really shouldn't matter when or who found out about the ineligible players but since the question has been asked, highland found out the week they played. Now when did East find out well, that might be a different story

  • markymark HERRIMAN, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 9:44 a.m.

    I have friends that are high school coaches and I asked them about this and they say when they have a kid come in from anywhere they call the UHSAA and check up every day if they need to to make sure the kid is eligible to play. Its nice of the AD to take the blame but everyone I've talked to that are fellow high school coaches, said its on the coaches. They know the rules and they didn't follow up. It is horrible for the kids, all the coaches should be suspended for the year if not more. That would leave the players with no one to coach them. Bring a parent out of the stands to coach and suspend the coaches for 5 years!!! Its on the coaches. But I think the kids should be able to play.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 9:41 a.m.

    @ Eagle

    Timpview is still under investigation. Folks have found out that an ineligible player has played multiple games for them. The ruling should come out in a few hours. Timpview will forfeit several region games. Orem will be playing for the region title and #1 seed tonight. Timpview? Might actually receive the same penalty East received and could very easily miss out on the playoffs.

  • Uncle Sam West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    Big Benzo - you keep looking for scapegoats, but you know who knew the longest of anyone that rules were being broken? East High.

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    I think the biggest part of the anguish in this whole situation is the fact that it easily could have been prevented.

    Does anyone know when the boys physically transferred to East? The moment they stepped on campus, the parents, coach and athletic director should have immediately started working on their paperwork. That's what confused me so much with the 2 California players at Jordan. I remember seeing them at camps and challenges as early as April this year, yet they submitted their paperwork in August!!!

    The fact is that the players were ineligible and should forfeit wins based on UHSAA policy and history. The reality is that with a little work and time they could have been eligible or at least known before the season started that they could not play. The timing on this is horrible. Had they found out 2 weeks earlier (before the Cyprus game) they at least would have made the playoffs and actually would have earned the #2 seed. Which brings to question the timing of the disclosure and who disclosed it. Reports say that it was Highland. Does anyone know how Highland found out and when Highland found out?

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    Orem wins tonight then they will No. 2 from Region 8, Maple Mountain No. 3 and Timpanogos No. 4. If Timpanogos wins all bets are off, unless somebody knows if the principals flipped the coins and how that came out.

    Biggest winners from the Timpview and East flap are Cyprus and Mountain View. Cyprus is in as the 4th seed for the play-in game. But Mountain View even more. The Bruins no longer have to play-in to get into the play-in game, their forfeit win over Timpview gives them three wins and one clear of Salem Hills and Springville. East isn't the only loser in this. Of course Timpview's follies didn't hurt the T-Birds at all. They got two meaningless forfeit losses in pre-season and one loss in region but still won the league. But Salem Hills and Springville lost their chance to compete for the right to the state tournament. So while everyone whines about East consider their other victims here that are just collateral damage.

    Perhaps the UHSAA ought to look into the fact that Mountain View goes to state over Salem Hills/Springville without earning it on the field.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 8:35 a.m.

    @PNWtoSLC

    Sorry, that dog won't hunt. You can't say they were ignorant to the policy or rule change. If your unclear, a simple call to the UHSAA fixes that. They got caught, it is as simple as that. As I said, this was not a box checking error. It would be ignorant to say that five plus people were unaware. With all the schools getting busted for things like this over the years, if you didn't know you should make yourself aware as a professional. If you are unsure, then make a call. I am not a fan of the UHSAA by any means, I think it is a bogus board of uneducated people when it comes to sports. But we have to live with what we have.

    I do agree with you on the boys. East was clearly one of the top teams in the state who most likely would have played and possibly won the title. I am sorry that the kids had adults over them who claimed to have their best interest at heart and failed them as adults and professionals. It is a shame.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    Rules are rules folks. If they aren't enforced then why have them at all? Just let everyone and anyone play wherever they want!

    Yes, this hurts, but rules need to have some teeth. They need to hurt. Here in another year or two, HS sports in Utah will be much cleaner since teams will know that if their ducks aren't all in a row then their seasons will be lost.

    Furthermore, we shouldn't punish the hundreds of kids and adults at other schools who have done things the right way. If the UHSAA goes back on their decision then they end up punishing the majority who have followed the rules and who have done things the right way.

    Folks at East and at Timpview may be sad over this right now. But in the future we will have taught them a valuable lesson. Follow the rules and be accountable.

    This is what HS sports is all about, life lessons. East, painful as it is, is being taught a life lesson right now. Not all life lessons are good smelling flowers. Sometimes they're thorny roses. But still, they're valuable life lessons.

  • ODucks Orem, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 8:29 a.m.

    Some of you say good for the UHSAA? Well, why isn't Timpview held to the same standard? They have been playing more than one ineliglible player all season, and they are only forfeiting 2 PREseason games, and 1 regular season game. This obviously shows us that they are afraid of Timpview, and not of East. If you make a rule, make it for everyone, not just the schools you choose, or wish to battle against. Don't do this to East if you are not going to do it to Timpview.

  • utahcountyfan Springville, Utah
    Oct. 19, 2012 8:21 a.m.

    To Hawaii football fan...

    How can this be prevented in the future? Why aren't rosters reviewed and approved BEFORE THE FIRST GAME! This is ridiculous that we're in week 10 and playoffs start next week and decisions relating to (in)eligible players is happening now?

    I am an AD and we have to review all players prior to the start of the season. We ask the head coaches to send us a roster. We then look at their transcripts to make sure they are eligible. We also have trained our coaches about ALL new students, it doesn't matter where they come from. If they are new we have them fill out the paperwork for the state, no matter what. If we need to we call the UHSAA office and ask them questions about new students. There is really no excuse for this situation to happen if the head coach, AD and administrators would do their job and follow up and verify. It sucks that it is affecting athletes but ALL RULES NEED TO BE ENFORCED, NOT MATTER WHAT!!!!!!

  • mab93 Provo, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    I think this is a sad situation, but I don't disagree with the decision since it is consistent with past cases. If rule changes are in order they shouldn't apply retroactively. Having said that, I agree with Soul that they should quickly audit at all the teams in region 6 for ineligible players. Although I don’t think they will find 5-10% they may find enough to get East back into the playoffs. If not, maybe they could set up an unofficial post-season exhibition “scrimmage” with the with the winner of the playoffs. I know my son and others at Timpview were disappointed that East was out of the playoffs.

  • 3025stc Santa Monica, CA
    Oct. 19, 2012 4:52 a.m.

    I look at the comments from so many on this thread and the subtext seems to read--"Rules are rules! But c'mon....they're just kids...cut 'em some slack. Blame the adults and let the kids have fun."
    No wonder sports is in the mess it's in today. No wonder people continue to be willing to fight for Lance Armstrong's good name when he's guilty as the day is long. We have too many people with too little character in this country.

  • CATZOFKAMAS Somewhere, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 12:17 a.m.

    What does the UHSAA think this is the NFL? Let the kids play who didn't do anything wrong. Punish the ones who did! Ridiculous!

  • hsfbfan2511 ,
    Oct. 19, 2012 12:00 a.m.

    Why is everyone calling out for the UHSAA. we all are required to follow the rules if we don't there are consequences regardless of innocent kids. If you want to call for a head call for Coach Matich the principal and the AD there is a signature of approval on all transfer paperwork if you sign something don't you read it. I'm personally very proud of the UHSAA they stood there ground and hopefully they are not stupid and eat there decision during there whining appeal. YOU DO THE CRIME YOU'RE GONNA DO THE TIME.

  • red rocks Saint George, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:08 p.m.

    I love comments on here calling for the end of the UHSAA. Who would you have police this? The state legislature created this problem with the open enrollment policy. They washed their hands of the whole deal by giving the problem to the UHSAA. Most people don't want to see a team have to forfeit games. We have to have rules and enforce them.

  • footballisgood Holladay, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:01 p.m.

    We may as well not have rules if we think that we can pick and choose when they get enforced. I do feel bad for the kids, but the rules AND punishment for breaking them are both clear. There are processes for proposing rule changes, and the UHSAA does have open discussions for the public to attend, but rather than being proactive we are lazy and reactive - we lack the energy that it takes to bring about change but we have no problem complaining about what is in place (kind of like low voter turnout at the polls). If schools submit to playing as a member of the UHSAA, then they also agree to abide by ALL rules put forth, AND to their consequences. This is pretty black and white to me - some may not agree with the rule, but it is hard to agree with the ruling when all they did was enforce their own rule.

  • footballisgood Holladay, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:01 p.m.

    Rules cannot be disregarded because some think them unfair. You are asking the uhsaa to disregard their own rules. If the rule needs to be changed, fine. But there are clear consequences for breaking rules and once we ask people to disregard them, that is a slippery slope. That would set precedent for others to play ineligible players as well.

  • Big U Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 10:55 p.m.

    Just Sayin'
    Search Pat Palau Deseret News. The article is called: High school football: Faith has helped Leopards' linebacker overcome terrible adversity in his life. Hope you take the time to read it.

  • Big U Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 10:54 p.m.

    Just Sayin'...
    Your comments reveal your bigotry. The administration is the Only one to blame. You obviously don't know anything about this story. Watch the news stories. Read the full articles. And then you will understand why all the news channels SUPPORT east and why they believe and feel east should be able to play. And don't speak of these kids at all when you know nothing about them. If you are a mature adult, you will understand. I would love to have you look them in the eye, each one of them, know their life stories and tell them they deserve to get one of their dreams taken away from them because of their athletic director. If you want to know the story of one of their kids, Go ahead and read it. Deseret news did a great article about him. His name is Pat Palau. Here's the story.

  • Big U Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 10:07 p.m.

    People are always asking, "How can we keep these young kids out of gangs". Well, Coach Matich has shown that there is a way! This group of East kids has shown honor and excellence, which is required to play for Coach Matich. Now, their dreams and ambitions are being crushed. Every player in question is a legitimate East High player living in the boundaries... approval would have been automatic, had the athletic director filed the paper work. If the UHSSA upholds this ruling, they have tragically undermined a foundation of hope for these innocent young men!

  • just sayin' Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 9:50 p.m.

    East you broke the rules! It could getter uglier and may if more digging goes into this. Man-up, the rules are rules your actions did not only effect the EHS football but all members of the association who abide by the rules. Don't blame the administrator blame the coaches and parents who put these kids in this position. UHSAA cannot be to blame for something you did. Teach your kids integrity by owning up to the mistake and error. Whatever way you cut it you played ineligible kids, right or wrong THEY WERE INELIGIBLE. The penalty, INELIGIBLE = TAKING AWAY WINS. Thanks UHSAA for standing up for the Rule of LAW. These kids will survive.

  • The Moose Southern, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 9:49 p.m.

    I too, silly rabbit, used to just call up and ask if there was any chance of there being issues. The rules are pretty clear, but parents/boosters/others pressure you to find out if there is any way they can just play. I used to like to call up so I could put the decision on UHSAA and shut up all the people bugging me. This is the right decision. I hope they come down on all the programs trying to gain an advantage by not following the rules. Do sports right and they are a great learning forum for our kids.

  • dnay Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 9:36 p.m.

    It's funny how all people from Logan are for this, maybe it's because now it gives there teams a better chance of winning it. This is absolutely ridiculous the UHSAA is a complete joke. I don't know anyone from East and not a fan of there's and could care less what happens in 4A but this ruling is pathetic. This isn't rules broken by any coaches in fact if those players didn't play it would not have effected the results, I'm sure the coaches wouldn't have risked it for kids who don't make a big difference on there team. But too punish all those kids is who worked there buts off, those panel members should be ashamed, use some common sense. Utah is the biggest joke when it comes to how they run there sports. This panel is supposed to be there to make things fair, yet they let schools who follow different rules to play each other, (Private vs Public), then they forfeit games that would have been won without the kids in question. Is that making things fair NO!

  • Proud to be American West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 8:51 p.m.

    Teddybear - too any things to post to answer that question. DNews won't approve.

  • Coachwalk Murray, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 8:15 p.m.

    I'm glad to see the UHSAA follow the rules. Other teams don't use I eligible players, so why should East be allowed to use them? It's not just one player, it's 4. I find it a problem when one of the STUDENT athletes said that football is everything to him. I understand sports is a big part of these kids lives but their first priority should be school considering they are STUDENT athletes. It may be unfair to the other kids in the program but its also unfair for East to play other schools while breaking the rules. If the decision is overturned, it is going to open up a can of worms and I wouldn't be surprised if more schools started to break the rules.

  • HeberFYFA HEBER CITY, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 7:28 p.m.

    Soul's comment is ridiculous when stating that 5-10% of every high schools athletes are ineligible! The vast majority of schools take the UHSAA rules very seriously and do a great job of ensuring the eligibility of all players. It is the coach's responsibility, player's and parent's responsibility, AD's and administrators' responsibility to make sure proper paperwork and rules are followed. Quit blaming someone else and assuming that every high school has ineligible players. Own up to the errors quickly, take the consequences when you are a member of an association, and move on with an attitude of being better. All of us in schools that work hard to abide by rules are grateful to the UHSAA for being consistent with their rulings about eligibility.

  • teddy_bear_assassin Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 7:18 p.m.

    All this hate towards Jordan but once again I'll ask, what has Jordan done?

  • Anon 64 Oahu, HI
    Oct. 18, 2012 7:09 p.m.

    I am more interested in the lives of the kids affected then I am the enforcement of the rules. Its the Kids Futures that are vital not the Rules So Much. This is not about Dress Code at the prom this is about going to The Right School, Right College and then life. Not saying that they where wrong to enforce the rules just saying take the kids futures into account. Some people need to get off their high holy judgmental horse (never played sports).Keep the kids in mind and remember this was an Adult mess Up.

  • awsomeron1 Oahu, HI
    Oct. 18, 2012 7:00 p.m.

    The Adults can do anything they want. The Kids still know that they Won and the Losers still know that they lost. No one is exactly going to go party over this. That said there should be CLEAR RULES. No shades of Gray. This is a case of Adults acting badly and Not doing their jobs well. The AD Needs to go and find other employment. The loss of points, yardage etc could effect eligible kids and their College Offers through No fault of their own.If my Son lost out on a College because of this I would sue. Adults are in charge of making sure things are done right and the puck stops at the desk of the responsible person. We are talking lives and futures here not just playing around. A kid might miss out on Div I and have to Walk On in Div 2 and as a result miss his chance to develop and play at the next l eval. Or miss his Stat Crossed Soul mate because he went to the wrong School and the Vortex could not put them together.

  • OJF64 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 6:56 p.m.

    Thsi is ridiculas. Its about the kids not about a stupid snafu in paperwork, Shame on the school district.

  • Proud to be American West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 6:51 p.m.

    I agree with the poster who said Jordan and Bingham are next to fall. And it will be long overdue. Karma.

  • Dr Rush Saint George, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 6:21 p.m.

    I feel for the kids who did it the right way and put all the hard work and time, the seniors are losing the most. I do agree with the decision and it's long overdue. Everyone knew for years that Timpview was doing this and nothing was done and they robed many schools out of a chance to win a state championship.

  • 86&90UTE Holladay, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 5:57 p.m.

    How about this. Let them play, even though it won't be "official" because their title, if they win it, will be stripped after the tourney. But at least the boys will know if they are the best or not. Who cares if it's official or not. Or even better, let the winner of the 4A tourney play East the following week. That way they will know who is the best 4A football team. Period.

  • Foxtrot Mountain View, CA
    Oct. 18, 2012 5:54 p.m.

    UHSAA has 9 people in it. The makeup is interesting. Two receptionists, one administrative assistant, one office manager. The other five actually have Director title.

    Does the organization do anything positive or just make judgments on seemingly ridiculous things?

    To all of you about fair. That is ridiculous. The previous story stated the reasons for all four of these students. Read it. Most of them didn't contribute and many of them had family, academic hardships. Really?

  • Silly Rabbit Small Town, USA, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    As a former coach and AD if I had any questions about transfers and the Eligibility of players I just called the people at the UHSAA. I let them know of everything, I did not hide anything, I explained all of the circumstances and there was any on the fence issues I let them advise me on what to do, then I explained to the parents and the student athlete what we needed to do next. I was simple, I had access to the UHSAA all of the time.

    I feel bad for the players at East, BUT the coaches and the admin are the ones to look at here, and the rules clearly state that if boundries are crossed there are consequences. Saddly forfiets are one of them.

    Sad way to end a season of hard work and sacrifice.

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Oct. 18, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    It's always the adults that ruin sports for the kids. What's disgraceful is their was an adult whose was being paid to ensure that didn't happen and she failed to do her job. What do you tell these kids? What positive life lesson are they supposed to take away from this situation. I hope the East High community rallies around these kids. I think they will.

    The current rules need to be changed. They need to put mechanisms in place to punish the people who are actually at fault, instead of slashing and burning these kids dreams. You would think that the kids would be the most important part of the equation, but apparently they're not.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Oct. 18, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    How can anyone think this punishment is to much?
    You have to take away wins. If you don't, the student players that did not play illegaly would be benefitting from those that did.

  • tuku68 Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    take away the region champ title.. as a football player you don't okay for region titles but for a shot at the big show.. with cases such as timpview and snow canyon though the were stripped of there region titles both were allowed to compete in the playoffs.. we take away there chance to play and what do we teach them? that no matter how hard you work there will always be someone ranked above you who controls your destiny.. yes there needs to be a punishment but you must follow the spirit of the law.. what surprises me is that no one bothered looking into it at the beginning of the season.. only until east proved there dominance that people were looking for some flaw in order to bring east down.. congratulations to all haters.. you just destroyed the dreams of 120 football players who just did what they loved..

  • teddy_bear_assassin Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    What did Jordan or Cottonwood do that was brought to the UHSAA and had them rule differently?

  • YouBet Salt Lake City , UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 3:48 p.m.

    This is tragic that this came to light AT THE END of the regular season. The paperwork should have been checked by BOTH PARTIES, the athletic director and UHSAA. Why turn in the paperwork if no one is going to check them? Does UHSAA have enough staff and time to check every player, address, transfer? If they don't, then they shouldn't rely on someone or the general public to do it for them. The executive committee member said himself, he wishes he had more eyes to check everything. I am sure that if every athletic director's paperwork were checked TODAY, there would be schools in violation just like East and Timpview. Tracking 100+ players, there is bound to be mistakes. This all should have been done and regulated BY BOTH PARTIES AT THE BEGINNING of the season. A player found ineligible AT THE BEGINNING and THROUGHOUT THE SEASON would not be able to play, plain and simple. To punish an entire team, coaching staff, administration, and a community at this time of the season is wrong.

  • just sayin' Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    Maybe the kids and of parents of the kids in the programs who are inclined to go after sought-out transfer players need to be more vocal about this type of action by their coaches and admins. It is in your best interest to challenge this stuff as it could result in this type of deserved penalty. Don't leave it up to coaches who should have the best interest of ALL kids not just the treasured transfer. East is not the only school doing this, they are just the latest to be called out and surprisingly held to the consequence of breaking association rules. If you don't want to be remotely bit by snakes don't play with em. There are plenty of kids who live in-boundary who support your programs and schools who are getting the shaft because you want to pull in that special kid(s). Look at your staff and see the connection for these kids, even bringing trainers on to "coach". UHSAA did the right and no-brainer thing to do!! Rule of Law!!

  • teddy_bear_assassin Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 3:34 p.m.

    @ camera2head. What has Jordan done? What are you getting at by bringing up Jordan and Cottonwood?

  • amanap Washington, ut
    Oct. 18, 2012 3:33 p.m.

    @yankees27

    I closed my eyes and thought and then opened them and realized/already knew that you shouldn't cheat or condone it. Put the blame where it belongs, the UHSAA didn't break the rules...

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    What about Timpview now?

    They can't receive a slap on the wrist now that East got the hammer!

    Time to put the hammer down on cheaters and folks who don't do the paperwork right. There's only one way to purge this cancer, and that's to ruin seasons and punish players and schools who cheat and reward schools who don't.

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    I wonder if all of us closed our eyes and pictured how we would react if this was our sons/daughters team and we had no control over it. How would we react then?

    I agree that rules should be followed for ALL teams, but there has to be a better way that the rules could punish the people in charge, not the innocent student athletes who have worked so hard to get where they are.

  • Soul Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    Now having applied the full weight of the eligibility rules on East High School, LET US dig up all the eligibility violations from every high school football program in Utah. That is the only fair action that UHSSA can take to maintain its legitimacy. I am willing to bet (statistically speaking) that 5% - 10% of all student athletes are ineligible to play sports at their current high school. Hundreds of student athletes and perhaps all high schools are currently in violation. (Just give each school a grace period to self report without penalty, and the truth will come out).
    Needless to say: "To disproportionately punish the non-violating students, the team, their youthful dreams, family dreams, and community expectations is ANTI-EDUCATION at its worse nightmare. The eligibility rules as it now stands, can trivially destroy a student's

  • Caesar slc, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    Shame on you UHSAA executive committee. This is the wrong decision. The decision by the Region committee was fair and appropriate. Stop setting a precedence of punishing kids for rule infractions. Make the rules simple and stop changing them every year. The rules say schools may forfeit games not that they have to forfeit. You are cowards for not being willing to interpret the situation individually. This has to change. I am a parent of young kids and do not want my kids going to Utah schools that don't care about them. I don't want them raised in a school system where adults can take away their season so easily. Shame on you UHSAA executive committee. This is not a case of recruiting or cheating!

  • Paul H West Valley, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    THE UHSAA SHOULD FORFEIT ITS' EXISTENCE!!!

    This is a horrible thing to do to kids who would have otherwise been eligible, to a team who has worked so hard, to all of the students and parents of this school who had nothing to do with any paperwork mistake.

    I hope someone with the right skills and some common sense appeals this to the state Courts.

  • 4BS St George, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    At least the UHSAA is consistent. Although I feel for the innocent kids, as was said after the Snow Canyon baseball decision last year 'it's a good life lesson for the kids'.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    So sorry to most of the East players and fans... I feel for you.
    I do however feel the decision was right based upon the rules as I understand them (not saying that I am correct in my understanding).
    I would like to comment about what I understand about open enrolement... first off I am a fan of Play Where You Live. However I don't think that open enrolement has a thing to do with sports or recruiting as others seem to imply.
    A school like Timpview that is land locked for growth and yet has all of the facilities, that school would only be at part capacity. The exact same could be said for many other open enrolement schools, they need students in the classrooms.
    While it can benefit sports/drama/academics or whatever reason a student may transfer for, it is nothing more than to keep a public school filled.
    At least thats how I see it.
    Again to East... I am sorry i can imagine the sting, but I thinks it is the right decision.

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    Just get rid of open enrollment! Seems to be the easiest way to fix most of these problems. If a kid moves into the schools boundaries, then he has to be cleared first. Not that hard. Keep the players in their local boundaries, make private schools that use kids from all over play enrollment +1 and it's way easier than this mess. You would think that if the kids stayed in their school boundaries, that the competition would even out over time and thus making most sports more competitive and more interesting than just the usual suspects every year. It would give more teams hope, and after all, hope is a good thing now days!

  • Mr.M Jaack Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    Transfer rules are not so complicated that it takes a rocket scientist to figure it out. You are all acting like it is like the Tax code. As much news as it has gotten over the years (Timpview most recently). You would think the the administration AND coaches would pay a little bit more attention to the Division 1 prospects that magically show up to play for them! There are always programs that draw intrest from parents and kids wanting to belong to a winning program. Over the most recent years Bingham, Timpview, East and Bountiful have been accused of this. Some poor kid needs to move in with his "uncle" ... give me a break. The coach and administration turned a blind eye and the kids get hurt in the end. Not shame on UHSAA ... shame on the coaches/administration who cared more about winning than showing honesty, responsibility and doing the job they are paid to do. How is this fair to the teams they beat having ineligble players on the field? Who cares about the other teams they beat? Fair play. Stop transfers all together. Play where you live, or become a fan in the stands.

  • Hawaii football fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 1:17 p.m.

    Is the UHSAA so inept that they can't figure out how to fix this for the future? The biggest losers in this... and it happens every year... are the innocent players/fans associated with programs that were/are affected by this decision. How can this be prevented in the future? Why aren't rosters reviewed and approved BEFORE THE FIRST GAME! This is ridiculous that we're in week 10 and playoffs start next week and decisions relating to (in)eligible players is happening now? We're never going to agree who's at fault here and who should be punished. But let's at least come up with a better system for the future... NOW!!

  • 801to415 San Francisco, CA
    Oct. 18, 2012 1:01 p.m.

    Big U fan is right. This is painful to read about....

  • teddy_bear_assassin Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    The hard face for East is rules are rules weather you have family situations or not, rules must be followed. Don't come at UHSAA for ruling the same way in all cases before this one. Be upset with the AD and the Head Coach. Take Jordan (since everyone brings them up) for example. Had 3 students transfer for California. Did Jordan trust they would be eligible to play? No, they did what they were supposed to do and filled out the proper paperwork and went to the hearings. Two players were not cleared so they didn't play.

    Interesting to see if lets say Highland was in this situation, killing everyone and this came up, how many East people would extend mercy to them. Its a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY when its happening to you, upholding the rules when it happens to someone eles.

    Get rid of open enrollement and watch the valley teams kill everyone when you have no polynesians to block for your kids or play defense line!

  • camera2head west jordan, utah
    Oct. 18, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    What about the roughly 500 players,coaches,administrators,and athletic directors in the region who did it the correct way?

    Doing it the right way and following policy needs to stand for something,or just have no rules at all. Everybody has the same rules and regulations,know them and follow them.

    Its karma,maybe the tide is changing, some of these dirty schools are getting what they deserve,first Timpview,then Cottonwood,now East. perfect world Bingham and Jordan in the future.

  • Just my opinion Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    To: "Big U Fan"

    It's not as simple os blaming the "ATHLETIC DIRECTOR". If you read the UHSAA 3 page report of the hearing you will see that East was trying to put all the blame on the athletic director hoping that that would save them from the punishment they should have got. The report clames that they told the coach it was not his problem to deal with if his players were eligible or not. As they also listed in the report, the school doesn't have the choice. It's a UHSAA rule that the coach, athletic director, administration, players, and parents are all responsible for this issue.

    Next, if you don't like the rules fight to get them changed. But as long as those are the rules, follow them.

    I personally don't agree with transfers at all. Attend and play were you live, case closed.

    I also don't think they should have the dead time rule. I think it also takes away what some players want and is best for them.

    I understand the rules and why they have them, but they are still wrong. "In my opinion".

    Go UHSAA.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    A 3 to 2 decision... after 4 hours of deliberation.

    Interesting...

    Which part, of the rationale, for the decision, did the dissenting voters disagree with?

    The school and the AD have been identified.

    Who were the 5 people who made the decision?

    Of those 5 people... who cast the affirming votes and who cast the dissenting votes?

    Any past history between East and those 5 people?

  • Bruzzer Ogden, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    It's a tough call but it had to be done every year this Stuff goes on some times you hear about it and most of time you dont .Do away with of Open Enrollment period If you live there you played for the school in your dist. It is not fair for all schools if you let go where they want nobody want to go to Delta,Price,Rosevelt, Cause dad cant get a job there but if you live in Slc you can get a car and drive to a school Get rid of open enrollment or make and region for them and only two schools can go to state Make it fair I too find it hard to belive Butters 22 yrs AD made such and mistake

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 12:24 p.m.

    As high schools enter the realm of trying to recruit players into their athletic programs, we need to have rules about transferring students. And in order for these rules to be legitimate, rules need to be enforced. The AD and the coaches need to understand what it is they're getting into before they recruit players into their program.

  • footballfan8 Provo, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 12:15 p.m.

    @rsl
    Actually TV only forfieted there regionwins from last year not there state championships

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    Highland must be proud of themselves for being the whistleblowers since they weren't able to beat East on the field.
    I feel sick for these East kids who did everything right yet are being punished for the mistake of an obviously incompetent AD.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    It's sad for the kids but the East administration did not have a good process and it cost them

    This ruling has nothing to do with recruiting which everyone seems heck bent on talking about. That is a whole different issue

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 12:02 p.m.

    Well...everyone that wanted East to forfeit wins...you got it!!! I guess its what needed to be done...but can you imagine the heartache of the boys and families of the boys who will now miss the playoffs...even though they might be one of the top 3 teams in the state. Imagine the seniors whose high school football careers are officially over.

    Most of the people on these posts were out for East's blood. Well, now that the ruling has come down...ask yourself if that blood tastes good now???? The reality of the situation is that maybe East was cheating....maybe they weren't. Maybe they weren't ignorant at their jobs...maybe they were more skilled than anyone else.

    The fact is this: With or without the ineligible players...East was a top 3 school. A balance of strength has now taken place in the 4A Playoffs...East leaves the playoffs and Cyrpus enters.

    As I have stated before...I think forfeits should happen only after the firing of either the coach, AD or principal. Region 6 is correct...the kids should not be punished...too bad the UHSAA didn't agree!!!!

  • AdamSmith Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    First off, whether or not the AD shoulda, coulda, woulda understood the UHSAA paperwork is only part of the problem. I applaud the AD for falling on her sword. I don't know her at all, but to resign your post over this situation shows great character and a lesson for all to learn.

    Second, freedom loving patriots everywhere should understand that the UHSAA IS THE PROBLEM!!! We live in a state where there is open enrollment. We are not compelled to have our children attend our local school. Most of us, however, make that choice as a matter of convenience, friends, social interaction etc. Your children have school choice already right now. Further, if we really believe in freedom and school choice, then we should believe it all the time, not just when it fits our personal agenda. Young students should be able to go wherever they for whatever reason they wish - yes, even to play a sport.

    What do you believe in people? Freedom or compulsion? It really is that simple. Can't wait for you to blow me up. And no, I don't have any dog in this fight. I just love freedom.

  • just sayin' Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    to those who are slamming the UHSAA, what about the kids and families who actually abide by the rules? Are you saying allow this and anything similar to slide? There are NO shades of integrity, you either have it or you don't. The kids who are eligible on the East team are hurt by this granted, but if the UHSAA allows this or lesser penalty all the other kids, coaches and families at UHSAA member schools who abide by the rules would be unfairly impacted too. They did the right and honorable thing that region 6 principals didn't have the courage or integrity to do.

  • 86&90UTE Holladay, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    Sad! Best 4A football team in Utah is East! No offense, Logan, but the East players just weren't into your game with all the stuff going on. The second best team in 4A is whoever wins the watered down State tourney. The "winners" will always know that they may not be the best....sad for everyone. To be the best, you need to beat the best!

  • Big U Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    ONLY REASON KIDS CAN'T PLAY IN POSTSEASON: The ATHLETIC DIRECTOR made a mistake. What a TRAVESTY. UHSAA, Make these kids pay for something they had completely no control over. You Show them who's boss. I hope all feel for these kids who put in so much effort to have a successful season taken away by ADULTS. Who's at fault here, ONLY adults. Who suffers, the kids. I hope the state is ashamed of punishing these kids. What a complete joke.

  • tipitup Logan, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    I'm not against transfers as long as the paperwork is filled out, that is the rule at this time. Here is a link to the uhsaa(dot)org website that outlines the paperwork: www(dot)uhsaa(dot)org(forward slash)transfer.html. They even have their own tab for transfers and rules. It is two documents of 3 pages each, one for transfer and one for hardship. What more training does the AD's of different schools need! just do it right! Don't get me wrong, I have a senior and I would feel bad if his team would have to forfeit games and miss the playoffs, just do the paperwork! If you have so many kids transferring into your school, shouldn't you be proficient in the paperwork?

  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp Bloomington, IN
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    For all of you calling for the cessation of athletic transfers, I just have one question...how would schools like East, Timpview, etc keep winning if they couldn't recruit throughout the valley to get the top talent?

    This has been a problem in Utah for a very long time, and it's actually nice to see it enforced a little bit. I feel terrible for the kids who didn't do anything wrong, but I have no doubt the school administrators didn't know about this; this is why it needs to be punished the way it has.

  • RSLJAZZBYUUTAH Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    East High has been in the news for lots of things over the years, I don't think it is that harsh of a penalty, look at college's one person messes up and the team gets in trouble, look at Timpview there coach messed up and now there state championship was taken away so, maybe they should do there job in the athletic department and do things that are good for the student not the sport.

  • Uncle Sam West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    This is absolutely the right decision. East High will learn to follow the rules, and other schools can learn from their mistakes.

  • Enochrsn CEDAR CITY, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    I applaud the decision of the UHSAA. While it is a difficult thing for the students to be sure, the precedent has already been established by Timpview, Jordan, Snow Canyon, etc. Do the kids at East get punished due to the actions or in actions of the AD? Yes. However, failure of the UHSAA to make this decision would have sent a clear message that schools are free to look the other way on eligibility requirements, thereby punishing those schools that actually do enforce transfer and eligibility requirements. Thank you UHSAA for holding the standard!

  • PNWtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    @ UtahBruin -- to be clear, nobody at East tried to cover up anything. You can fault the fact that those who were responsible for recognizing that there were eligibility issues were simply ignorant of the rule change and therefore didn't catch the fact that waivers needed to be filed. In each one of these cases, had those waivers been filed, they would have been approved. There's a lot of speculation on here about what went down, but those are the facts. Nobody lied, nobody cheated, nobody tried to get away with anything. And now the players, who have given their all, all season long and for years leading up to this point, and have proven that they are clearly the best in 4A and perhaps any classification in the state, have lost out on the opportunity to earn their championship rings. It's a travesty all the way around.

  • Man O War Salt Lake CIty, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:36 a.m.

    Recruit kids, don't recruit kids, what ever. People still will move into boundaries to play, it happens all the time.

    While this is completely sad for the kids, this ruling had to be made. Its called consistency. At least the UHSAA can do that. While its decisions may not always be in the overall interest of the kids at least they decided that while East has been awesome this year, the rules apply equally to everyone. Any other decision would have been the real violation.

    One note the rules AREN'T that hard. Those kids with transfer issues have to go before the UHSAA and get approval. Coaches KNOW THAT. Blame it on the AD, because that's where the blame must lie but lets not fool ourselves that no one else had any idea. And then to call it just a simple clerical error is grossly understated as well.

  • TrueBlueAggie Logan, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:36 a.m.

    To all of you saying in comments that this is unfair is ridiculous because it clearly states in UHSAA EXACTLY what the rules are for all high schools! You play the kids you forfeit your wins simple as that. These rules are so clear that they couldn't be more clear and to those saying that they need to be, its like saying we didn't know about that rule...Very fair punishment because I am sure that the school will make sure that it will not happen again. The school let down the rest of that team when those five kids slipped through the cracks. GO RAMS

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:33 a.m.

    I have a hard time believing a woman doing her job for as long as she has just slipped up this one time. Tough break for the other kids.

  • Foxtrot Mountain View, CA
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    UHSAA has always been on a power trip. This seems extreme. UHSAA almost always misses the big picture. Meaning, education is the #1 goal of schools. If a transfer student is good at football but gets a better opportunity to better themselves academically, shouldn't that be the goal? Shame on them

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    Fire the athletic director not the 120 kids that did not make the error.

    Understand rules but if the kids are not the ones doing the crime then punish the ones that are. Find a new person that can figure out the rules and actually send a email, text or how about an old fashion phone call. Again punish the adults that make the mistake and not the kids and the studentbody.

  • Thinking Deeper Lindon, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    This is beyond sad this is abuse of power by the UHSAA. I hope this decision will be utilized by the Utah Legislature to strip the UHSAA of much of its power. In an earlier article that describes in detail the special circumstances of these youngmen I found it hard to beleive that any reasonable adult would put in place a set of rules that would consider any of them inelegible to participate in high school athletics. It is time to pull back the power we allow this organization to have over our children. When the Legislature takes up this issue I will be there to testify against the UHSAA.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:23 a.m.

    Stop all athletic transfers. If you want to play, you play for the area school. Anything less severe leads to recruiting kids and some of the problems of collegiate and professional sports creeps into our schools.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:23 a.m.

    Sad, but it needed to be done. Doesn't matter if the players were used sparingly, doesn't matter if the players had that much impact on the games. Football is a team sport, they win together and they lose together. This was not just a box checking error. If you look at the guidelines for transfers it is very clear what needs to happen and how it should happen. If done properly the coaches, kids and administration would be aware. East high tried to cover it up and hide thinking they wouldn't get caught and they did. I am sorry to all the very talented boys, especially the seniors who just lost their last year of football. Out of all of this, I hope the UHSAA makes some changes so that this does not happen again. It happens far to much, especially over the last few years. Who's next?

  • UtahResident Lehi, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    First off, let me say that I have no vested interest in what happens to East High football. That said, if a athletic director of 23 years has a problem interpreting the transfer rule, then there is a problem with the rule. Make it clearer. Give training. Do something besides punishing the innocent football players.

    UHSAA should be looking at itself for someone to punish, not the kids.

  • spackry Magna, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    While I feel bad for the East players, who had a great season, this is the only decision the UHSAA should have made. Otherwise, they needed to uphold the Region 6 sanctions and give Timpview back their Region 8 title. Until open enrollment is gone and kids play where they live, this type of thing will continue. It's nice to see the rules applied evenly to every school.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    This is sad for the other kids on the team who did no wrong, but like so many things in life, poor actions by leadership at the top have an impact on the "little guy" even when the little guys don't deserve it. You can't ignore/reduce consequences or you will simply invite more abuse of the system.

  • Goldendomer Holladay, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    What a sad deal all the way around. My son plays for Skyline and I can't even imagine what the players and parents who followed the rules and did every thing right must be feeling.

    In this day and age taking this kind of risk with a team, especially a team as talented as east, is simply moronic. East would have had the same success in their season with or without the players in question.

    I guess the old saying is true, "You win as a team and you lose as a team". Funny, that statement just doesn’t seem right in this case.

    Mad respect goes out to the boys and parents who followed the rules. My heart goes out to you all.

  • Rodgers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    I am not an East High fan,in fact, I grew up in Logan, but this seems to be a little extreme. Did the four players have that much impact on the games? According to the newspaper reports (which is all I have to go on), these alleged ineligible players did not play much. It is a shame that the whole team should be punished for this. The sanctions by the Board should've been sufficient. Kudos and or condolences to the 75-80 other players who were eligible.

  • figuero Logan, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 10:37 a.m.

    This is why utah needs to eliminate transfer rule and become like California where there is a 30 day waiting period.