Appeal could be heard this weekend
@BigBenzo88 It was the same player. It turned out he played in the Maple
Mountain game, not the Lone Peak game.
Reminds me of the flap during the Little League All-Stars in Cedar City a couple
years ago. Washington used an inelgble player and forfeited the game. The
league president and player agent both signed the affidavit for the kid in
question regarding the number of games he had played. Whether it's
oversight, assumptions, misinformation, or all the above, it doesn't
matter. The rules are there for a reason. Intent doesn't matter.
I dont know too much about this but now lets think about this. If East now moves
to fourth seed in their region they would have to play the number 1 seed in
another region. Now how fair would that be when the first place seed have to
play East. Its as if they are playing a first seed which is not fair to them.
They should play a true fourth seed team and not one that shows fourth seed on
paperwork or because of the East punishment. Also are the players who should not
have played because of paperwork now get to play or not?
"Football is everything to us,"Maybe it shouldn't
be...Maybe football should be "a" thing, but not
"everything."[My sport] is everything" to the many
bankrupt former NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, to the athletes on steroids, etc.
May or may not doesn't matter, Pecedent has been set. It's a
forfeiture if a ineligible player plays. Here and nationwide. It's
understood. It's too bad. But it's the way it's always been
done. Question really is here is when did the Coach find out?
amanap- maybe you missed my point. I was not saying that the UHSAA was at fault,
I believe the rules should be followed by everyone. What I meant by my comment
was how would you feel if your son/daughter played on a team that had one of
these kids on it, that suddenly because of something out of their control were
to happen and they lost everything they worked so hard for. I was mainly just
saying to think about all the innocent kids who are affected by someone
else's mistake. Whether that be the coaches, AD, the player or his/her
parents, it's too bad the innocent other team members have to suffer from
someone else's doing. Think of it this way, if one or two kids get caught
stealing or something to that effect, just they get kicked off the team, the
whole team doesn't have to sit out a game or end their season. Why should
this be different? The rest of those student athletes had no bearing on those
players and their eligibility.
Everyone's prescribed solution (disallow transfers-no open enrollment) to
this problem IS THE PROBLEM in the first place. Open enrollment is a wonderful
policy that provides opportunities for kids to pursue educational, athletic, and
social situations more ideal to their situation. We should be more concerned
that kids feel comfortable, wanted, and motivated to learn, live, and play than
if they live in a certain neighborhood. Seriously: any kid should be able to
move to any school, at any time, and participate in any activity that they
choose. Why are adults so bent on restricting where kids can study, or play
football? Shouldn't we be more concerned about the real negative influences
in our society as our rate of drug use, violence, and alcoholism among teens
skyrocket in this state you are talking about football...seriously,
football...Adults just need to make it open: any kid can go where they want, and
feel the best and let the kids go to school, play sports, and associate with who
they want, where they want.
@camera2head - I don't know about the "East beating Herriman 100
times" comment. Herriman is prepared to play East in the 1st or 2nd round
or in the Semis or Championship Game. East and Herriman have played 2 common
teams....Highland and Clearfield with similar results: Herriman beat Highland
31-14 and East beat Highland 34-13. Herriman beat Clearfield 50-7 and East beat
Clearfield 47-0...so very comparable. Herriman has the #1 scoring offense in 4A
and the #1 scoring offense in Utah and has the #5 scoring defense in 4A and the
#18 scoring defense in Utah.I believe East has the tools to beat any
team in Utah...Herriman included. However, Herriman can be competitive with any
team in Utah as well...East included!!!!@mab93 & @RTURN598 -
Timpview reported more ineligible players played in more games!!!I
hope that the UHSAA can come to a swift and proper resolution with East and
Timpview because as many as 5 teams hang in the balance as to if they will be in
the playoffs or not (East, Cyprus, Mountain View, Springville and Salem
Hills).A ruling should be announced within the hour....should be
Before we jump into any invalid conclusion, LET US READ WHAT THE UHSSA TRANSFER
RULES SAYS: Section 6 outlines a series of penalties available to
the Association for rules infractions. Among those is the penalty of
forfeiture. “In cases of the use of an ineligible player, the
non-complying school may forfeit any contest, team title or team championship
obtained when such an ineligible player competed as part of the team. Please notice the word "MAY" forfeit any contest, etc. In this case,
the word MAY is equivalent to the meaning of "maybe yes, or maybe not".
Furthermore, MAY does NOT mean "must", "will", or
"shall" be required to forfeit any contest, etc. Region
6' Board of Managers, who has jurisdiction over East High School, met for 3
hours to seriously address the eligibility violation of 4 football players.
They concluded by a vote of 5 to 1 that "MAY = may be not" to punish 120
complying students with forfeiture.We appreciate that Region 6 plays
by the actual UHSAA TRANSFER RULES (as stated above). I hope the UHSSA Appeal
Panel will see the Transfer Rules in the same light of day, and allow the
students to play football.
don't know why people are saying timpview had ineligible players the WHOLE
season and should be punished just like east. sorry guys but those accusations
are flat out WRONG! yes we had an ineligible player, but he only played against
lp, westlake and mountain view. hes also like a 3rd/4th string player. uhsaa met
and actually did punish us like east because they took away those wins that he
played in. but it was only 3 games. oh and guess who investigated and reported
this? OUR OWN PRINCIPAL. so whoever thinks timpview has been getting passes?
please. we have been getting scrutiny and criticism from EVERY direction. bottom
line is we got punished by the SAME standard as east did but the difference was
we only had an ineligible player for 3 games, not the whole season. so if ur
going by the rules, we got punished justly and we still made the playoffs. get
over it and watch out because we want that state title back!p.s i truly
feel sorry for east. sad to see those guys go after all their hard work. we
really wanted a shot at u guys at RES.
@The Real MaverickThe Timpview hearing today is the final appeal not
more ineligible player violations. I think Springville and/or Salem Hills are
the most interested overturning the Mountain View forfeiture. I would be shocked
if there were any other ineligible Timpview players. It was the Timpview
Principal that found the paperwork errors and reported them. It wasn't
another team suspecting violations. I am sure that by now he has gone over all
the paperwork and he has the skills to be a great accountant or auditor and very
much a rule follower. If every team had their paperwork looked over like
Timpview's I'm sure a lot of other teams would have forfeiture.
So lets get this straight from East's story,the ineligible starting tackle
only played 8 plays in garbage time vs Cyprus,thats the first version. Now he
only played against Cyprus and Clearfield the two lowest seeds in the region.
Wouldn't make any sense to play your starting tackle against say the best
teams like Bountiful,Highland, or Woods Cross. So the story changes again.They played ineligible players period. If they played Cyprus 100 times
this year they would beat them 100 times. Then they would go on the road and
beat HERRIMAN 100 TIMES. Little doubt they are that good. Point is they either
followed the rules set forth or they didn't. BLACK OR WHITE, NOT GREY.
If the UHSAA goes back on their decision, expect even more corruption and rule
breaking in the future.Take a stand right now.Punish
East and Timpview. It's time to clean up HS sports. Stop
punishing the teams and players who do things right while rewarding programs who
make them have a in play with cyprus then if they win they goes as the fourth
place on the road all the way and punish the princpal and coach princpal get a
six figures income to oversee what goes on inside the four walls plain and
Just so everyone knows....the East and Timpview appeals hearing is taking place
right now. Follow it on twitter @kylegoon . East is putting up strong and
compelling testimony and may be swaying the board to overturn. Remember that
the board voted 3-2 to forfeit East's games. The principal and AD are
asking to for the wins to be reinstated in exchange for their firings. They are
asking that East be given the #4 seed because only the Cyprus and Clearfield
games should be forfeited.Very compelling stuff. It will basically
come down to UHSAA holding their ground or having compassion. East believes
they are being made an example of and even stated that in the history of Utah
football, only 2 teams (West in 1916 and Ogden in 1968) have missed the playoffs
because of forfeits. Principal Sagers is pleading/crying for UHSAA to have
compassion on his boys...even if it means his job. This result will be
interesting indeed.Follow @kylegoon on twitter right now!!!
LAsorda: You are right on point except for one thing.The question states right
on the tryout checklist. SCHOOL ATTENDED LAST YEAR?? Starts with parent/athlete
right there.If they put EAST on there and its not the case that is dishonest
from the start. It is not that difficult,says any other school,you fill out
paperwork,send to UHSAA, they make ruling. Where is the grey area they speak
about. Other thing the rule didn't change this year on charter schools,you
attend a charter school you can play for school in your boundary. This is not
new.BigBenzo: Why would we make a certain penalty depending on how
many players it was involved. One is enough! Interesting if people follow this
story all along,1st East minimizes says it was just 8 plays in blow out. Now
truth comes out kid is starter,so lets change course, its minor clerical error
and throw AD under the bus only. I myself see this as an integrity problem on
East's part right there.
Re: The Real Maverick Orem, UT"Rules are rules folks. If they
aren't enforced then why have them at all?"Which is why the
Obama Administration enforces laws against illegal entry into our country ....
Plain and Simple, You Play (illegal) You PAY!!! Besides the A.D. Making a
clerical mistake, it's still the head coach responsibility to MAKE SURE,
EVERY PLAYER IS ELIGIBLE!!! Shame on Brandon for letting this happen to his team
with the A.D. He should RETIRE as well!!! STOP RECRUITING!!! Congratlations to
UHSAA for doing what's right. This will be a great life lesson for these
young men. I wish these young men well and you guys were AWESOME THIS YEAR!!! I
believed EAST HIGH WAS THE BEST IN UTAH!!! But give any other School these 4
players and you see what happens they lost their last game. Good Luck I wish you
You cannot argue about the speed limit being unfair AFTER you get a speeding
ticket.East should have played their guts out and beat Logan, they
would have had more credability being undefeated.Being mentaly
exhausted is not an excuse for losing.
How is it that only East can't figure out the transfer rules? 100+ other
schools don't have this problem.I feel bad for the kids but the
coach, the AD, and the principal are supposed to pay extra attention to new
students who want to play athletics. The UHSAA has several meetings prior to
implementing any new rules where the refion reps attend, get input, and return
to the UHSAA before any votes are taken. Afterwards, training are held for the
ADs. Each district has a rep who talks to each principal. The
coach needs to be involved as much as the AD or principal. There are questions
that need to be asked of the student and parents as well as forms. The easiest
question is: Did you play a sport at another school?
@Uncle Sam - I'm not looking for a scapegoat. As I have been posting for
since this story first broke a week ago...I think forfeiture should be the last
option in situations like this. I think firings of the coach, AD and principal
should happen before games are forfeited. When a player is found to have played
while ineligible....you fire the coach. A second player is found...you fire the
AD. A third player is found...you fire the principal. A fourth player is
found...you forfeit wins. You find a fifth player...the school is on probation
for a year and cannot win region games nor go to the playoffs. I promise...if
you implement rules like this....there will never be another ineligible kid on
the field again!!!!I'm not looking for a scapegoat...I just
think that forfeiting games and punishing the kids should be the 4th option. So
in the case of East...I say fire the coach, AD and principal...let the team keep
their wins, region title and #1 seed. You will never have a problem again from
East or any other school in Utah for that matter!!!
It is simply: East played ineligible players therefore their wins were taken
away!!! East needs to quit crying and accept what they did!!
I am a Logan, fan and former player. I have been to most of Logan's games
this year and can say they are not the best team in 4A by any means. East
probably is the best, but they weren't unbeatable. They probably would
have won state, but not for sure. As for East precedent has been set. You
play a ineligible player you forfeit the game. They just happen to do it 7
times and 4 of the 5 region games. It's tragic what has happened to these
kids who didn't do anything wrong. But precedent has been set, here and
around the country. There is no going back.
The buck stops with coach Matich! It's his program his ultimate
responsibility. Because they attract or entice football transfers not unlike a
few other schools he needs to make personally sure his players are properly
documented by the UHSAA. You cannot change the rules or consequences however
dreadful after the fact. It's not the admins job--good gracious--surely
there is better use of taxpayer funds for education. She is just a scapegoat
for irresponsibility and lack of accountability from the coach. UHSAA did the
@ODucks,Timpview was held to a higher standard by their region than
East. And the same standard by UHSAA. "... the Panel determines that
Timpview must forfeit ANY contest in which it used an ineligible player."
They forfeited every 2012 varsity game an ineligible player played in. He
wasn't a starter.
UHSAA is just as much to blame on this one. Isn't there any follow-through
and checking "the paperwork" when it's turned in? Do they have the
staff to check every player, every address, every transfer? The fact that this
came to light at the end of the season is tragic. "The paperwork"
should have been checked by BOTH PARTIES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON. To
punish the entire team, the coaching staff, families, the school, and the
community at this time in the season is in poor taste.
The difference in the Jordan case is that the school and coaches thought the
Cali boys transfers were being taken care of by adults. Once Jordan found out
that the transfers had not be filed they went thru the proper process, the boys
were denied and they did not play.It really shouldn't matter
when or who found out about the ineligible players but since the question has
been asked, highland found out the week they played. Now when did East find out
well, that might be a different story
I have friends that are high school coaches and I asked them about this and they
say when they have a kid come in from anywhere they call the UHSAA and check up
every day if they need to to make sure the kid is eligible to play. Its nice of
the AD to take the blame but everyone I've talked to that are fellow high
school coaches, said its on the coaches. They know the rules and they
didn't follow up. It is horrible for the kids, all the coaches should be
suspended for the year if not more. That would leave the players with no one to
coach them. Bring a parent out of the stands to coach and suspend the coaches
for 5 years!!! Its on the coaches. But I think the kids should be able to play.
@ EagleTimpview is still under investigation. Folks have found out
that an ineligible player has played multiple games for them. The ruling should
come out in a few hours. Timpview will forfeit several region games. Orem will
be playing for the region title and #1 seed tonight. Timpview? Might actually
receive the same penalty East received and could very easily miss out on the
Big Benzo - you keep looking for scapegoats, but you know who knew the longest
of anyone that rules were being broken? East High.
I think the biggest part of the anguish in this whole situation is the fact that
it easily could have been prevented.Does anyone know when the boys
physically transferred to East? The moment they stepped on campus, the parents,
coach and athletic director should have immediately started working on their
paperwork. That's what confused me so much with the 2 California players
at Jordan. I remember seeing them at camps and challenges as early as April
this year, yet they submitted their paperwork in August!!!The fact
is that the players were ineligible and should forfeit wins based on UHSAA
policy and history. The reality is that with a little work and time they could
have been eligible or at least known before the season started that they could
not play. The timing on this is horrible. Had they found out 2 weeks earlier
(before the Cyprus game) they at least would have made the playoffs and actually
would have earned the #2 seed. Which brings to question the timing of the
disclosure and who disclosed it. Reports say that it was Highland. Does anyone
know how Highland found out and when Highland found out?
Orem wins tonight then they will No. 2 from Region 8, Maple Mountain No. 3 and
Timpanogos No. 4. If Timpanogos wins all bets are off, unless somebody knows if
the principals flipped the coins and how that came out. Biggest
winners from the Timpview and East flap are Cyprus and Mountain View. Cyprus is
in as the 4th seed for the play-in game. But Mountain View even more. The
Bruins no longer have to play-in to get into the play-in game, their forfeit win
over Timpview gives them three wins and one clear of Salem Hills and
Springville. East isn't the only loser in this. Of course Timpview's
follies didn't hurt the T-Birds at all. They got two meaningless forfeit
losses in pre-season and one loss in region but still won the league. But Salem
Hills and Springville lost their chance to compete for the right to the state
tournament. So while everyone whines about East consider their other victims
here that are just collateral damage.Perhaps the UHSAA ought to look
into the fact that Mountain View goes to state over Salem Hills/Springville
without earning it on the field.
@PNWtoSLCSorry, that dog won't hunt. You can't say they
were ignorant to the policy or rule change. If your unclear, a simple call to
the UHSAA fixes that. They got caught, it is as simple as that. As I said,
this was not a box checking error. It would be ignorant to say that five plus
people were unaware. With all the schools getting busted for things like this
over the years, if you didn't know you should make yourself aware as a
professional. If you are unsure, then make a call. I am not a fan of the UHSAA
by any means, I think it is a bogus board of uneducated people when it comes to
sports. But we have to live with what we have.I do agree with you
on the boys. East was clearly one of the top teams in the state who most likely
would have played and possibly won the title. I am sorry that the kids had
adults over them who claimed to have their best interest at heart and failed
them as adults and professionals. It is a shame.
Rules are rules folks. If they aren't enforced then why have them at all?
Just let everyone and anyone play wherever they want!Yes, this
hurts, but rules need to have some teeth. They need to hurt. Here in another
year or two, HS sports in Utah will be much cleaner since teams will know that
if their ducks aren't all in a row then their seasons will be lost.Furthermore, we shouldn't punish the hundreds of kids and adults at
other schools who have done things the right way. If the UHSAA goes back on
their decision then they end up punishing the majority who have followed the
rules and who have done things the right way.Folks at East and at
Timpview may be sad over this right now. But in the future we will have taught
them a valuable lesson. Follow the rules and be accountable. This is
what HS sports is all about, life lessons. East, painful as it is, is being
taught a life lesson right now. Not all life lessons are good smelling flowers.
Sometimes they're thorny roses. But still, they're valuable life
Some of you say good for the UHSAA? Well, why isn't Timpview held to the
same standard? They have been playing more than one ineliglible player all
season, and they are only forfeiting 2 PREseason games, and 1 regular season
game. This obviously shows us that they are afraid of Timpview, and not of
East. If you make a rule, make it for everyone, not just the schools you
choose, or wish to battle against. Don't do this to East if you are not
going to do it to Timpview.
To Hawaii football fan...How can this be prevented in the future?
Why aren't rosters reviewed and approved BEFORE THE FIRST GAME! This is
ridiculous that we're in week 10 and playoffs start next week and decisions
relating to (in)eligible players is happening now?I am an AD and we
have to review all players prior to the start of the season. We ask the head
coaches to send us a roster. We then look at their transcripts to make sure they
are eligible. We also have trained our coaches about ALL new students, it
doesn't matter where they come from. If they are new we have them fill out
the paperwork for the state, no matter what. If we need to we call the UHSAA
office and ask them questions about new students. There is really no excuse for
this situation to happen if the head coach, AD and administrators would do their
job and follow up and verify. It sucks that it is affecting athletes but ALL
RULES NEED TO BE ENFORCED, NOT MATTER WHAT!!!!!!
I think this is a sad situation, but I don't disagree with the decision
since it is consistent with past cases. If rule changes are in order they
shouldn't apply retroactively. Having said that, I agree with Soul that
they should quickly audit at all the teams in region 6 for ineligible players.
Although I don’t think they will find 5-10% they may find enough to get
East back into the playoffs. If not, maybe they could set up an unofficial
post-season exhibition “scrimmage” with the with the winner of the
playoffs. I know my son and others at Timpview were disappointed that East was
out of the playoffs.
I look at the comments from so many on this thread and the subtext seems to
read--"Rules are rules! But c'mon....they're just kids...cut
'em some slack. Blame the adults and let the kids have fun."No
wonder sports is in the mess it's in today. No wonder people continue to be
willing to fight for Lance Armstrong's good name when he's guilty as
the day is long. We have too many people with too little character in this
What does the UHSAA think this is the NFL? Let the kids play who didn't do
anything wrong. Punish the ones who did! Ridiculous!
Why is everyone calling out for the UHSAA. we all are required to follow the
rules if we don't there are consequences regardless of innocent kids. If
you want to call for a head call for Coach Matich the principal and the AD there
is a signature of approval on all transfer paperwork if you sign something
don't you read it. I'm personally very proud of the UHSAA they stood
there ground and hopefully they are not stupid and eat there decision during
there whining appeal. YOU DO THE CRIME YOU'RE GONNA DO THE TIME.
I love comments on here calling for the end of the UHSAA. Who would you have
police this? The state legislature created this problem with the open
enrollment policy. They washed their hands of the whole deal by giving the
problem to the UHSAA. Most people don't want to see a team have to forfeit
games. We have to have rules and enforce them.
We may as well not have rules if we think that we can pick and choose when they
get enforced. I do feel bad for the kids, but the rules AND punishment for
breaking them are both clear. There are processes for proposing rule changes,
and the UHSAA does have open discussions for the public to attend, but rather
than being proactive we are lazy and reactive - we lack the energy that it takes
to bring about change but we have no problem complaining about what is in place
(kind of like low voter turnout at the polls). If schools submit to playing as
a member of the UHSAA, then they also agree to abide by ALL rules put forth, AND
to their consequences. This is pretty black and white to me - some may not
agree with the rule, but it is hard to agree with the ruling when all they did
was enforce their own rule.
Rules cannot be disregarded because some think them unfair. You are asking the
uhsaa to disregard their own rules. If the rule needs to be changed, fine. But
there are clear consequences for breaking rules and once we ask people to
disregard them, that is a slippery slope. That would set precedent for others to
play ineligible players as well.
Just Sayin'Search Pat Palau Deseret News. The article is called: High
school football: Faith has helped Leopards' linebacker overcome terrible
adversity in his life. Hope you take the time to read it.
Just Sayin'...Your comments reveal your bigotry. The administration
is the Only one to blame. You obviously don't know anything about this
story. Watch the news stories. Read the full articles. And then you will
understand why all the news channels SUPPORT east and why they believe and feel
east should be able to play. And don't speak of these kids at all when you
know nothing about them. If you are a mature adult, you will understand. I would
love to have you look them in the eye, each one of them, know their life stories
and tell them they deserve to get one of their dreams taken away from them
because of their athletic director. If you want to know the story of one of
their kids, Go ahead and read it. Deseret news did a great article about him.
His name is Pat Palau. Here's the story.
People are always asking, "How can we keep these young kids out of
gangs". Well, Coach Matich has shown that there is a way! This group of
East kids has shown honor and excellence, which is required to play for Coach
Matich. Now, their dreams and ambitions are being crushed. Every player in
question is a legitimate East High player living in the boundaries... approval
would have been automatic, had the athletic director filed the paper work. If
the UHSSA upholds this ruling, they have tragically undermined a foundation of
hope for these innocent young men!
East you broke the rules! It could getter uglier and may if more digging goes
into this. Man-up, the rules are rules your actions did not only effect the EHS
football but all members of the association who abide by the rules. Don't
blame the administrator blame the coaches and parents who put these kids in this
position. UHSAA cannot be to blame for something you did. Teach your kids
integrity by owning up to the mistake and error. Whatever way you cut it you
played ineligible kids, right or wrong THEY WERE INELIGIBLE. The penalty,
INELIGIBLE = TAKING AWAY WINS. Thanks UHSAA for standing up for the Rule of LAW.
These kids will survive.
I too, silly rabbit, used to just call up and ask if there was any chance of
there being issues. The rules are pretty clear, but parents/boosters/others
pressure you to find out if there is any way they can just play. I used to like
to call up so I could put the decision on UHSAA and shut up all the people
bugging me. This is the right decision. I hope they come down on all the
programs trying to gain an advantage by not following the rules. Do sports
right and they are a great learning forum for our kids.
It's funny how all people from Logan are for this, maybe it's because
now it gives there teams a better chance of winning it. This is absolutely
ridiculous the UHSAA is a complete joke. I don't know anyone from East and
not a fan of there's and could care less what happens in 4A but this ruling
is pathetic. This isn't rules broken by any coaches in fact if those
players didn't play it would not have effected the results, I'm sure
the coaches wouldn't have risked it for kids who don't make a big
difference on there team. But too punish all those kids is who worked there buts
off, those panel members should be ashamed, use some common sense. Utah is the
biggest joke when it comes to how they run there sports. This panel is supposed
to be there to make things fair, yet they let schools who follow different rules
to play each other, (Private vs Public), then they forfeit games that would have
been won without the kids in question. Is that making things fair NO!
Teddybear - too any things to post to answer that question. DNews won't
I'm glad to see the UHSAA follow the rules. Other teams don't use I
eligible players, so why should East be allowed to use them? It's not just
one player, it's 4. I find it a problem when one of the STUDENT athletes
said that football is everything to him. I understand sports is a big part of
these kids lives but their first priority should be school considering they are
STUDENT athletes. It may be unfair to the other kids in the program but its also
unfair for East to play other schools while breaking the rules. If the decision
is overturned, it is going to open up a can of worms and I wouldn't be
surprised if more schools started to break the rules.
Soul's comment is ridiculous when stating that 5-10% of every high schools
athletes are ineligible! The vast majority of schools take the UHSAA rules very
seriously and do a great job of ensuring the eligibility of all players. It is
the coach's responsibility, player's and parent's responsibility,
AD's and administrators' responsibility to make sure proper paperwork
and rules are followed. Quit blaming someone else and assuming that every high
school has ineligible players. Own up to the errors quickly, take the
consequences when you are a member of an association, and move on with an
attitude of being better. All of us in schools that work hard to abide by rules
are grateful to the UHSAA for being consistent with their rulings about
All this hate towards Jordan but once again I'll ask, what has Jordan done?
I am more interested in the lives of the kids affected then I am the enforcement
of the rules. Its the Kids Futures that are vital not the Rules So Much. This is
not about Dress Code at the prom this is about going to The Right School, Right
College and then life. Not saying that they where wrong to enforce the rules
just saying take the kids futures into account. Some people need to get off
their high holy judgmental horse (never played sports).Keep the kids in mind and
remember this was an Adult mess Up.
The Adults can do anything they want. The Kids still know that they Won and the
Losers still know that they lost. No one is exactly going to go party over this.
That said there should be CLEAR RULES. No shades of Gray. This is a case of
Adults acting badly and Not doing their jobs well. The AD Needs to go and find
other employment. The loss of points, yardage etc could effect eligible kids and
their College Offers through No fault of their own.If my Son lost out on a
College because of this I would sue. Adults are in charge of making sure things
are done right and the puck stops at the desk of the responsible person. We are
talking lives and futures here not just playing around. A kid might miss out on
Div I and have to Walk On in Div 2 and as a result miss his chance to develop
and play at the next l eval. Or miss his Stat Crossed Soul mate because he went
to the wrong School and the Vortex could not put them together.
Thsi is ridiculas. Its about the kids not about a stupid snafu in paperwork,
Shame on the school district.
I agree with the poster who said Jordan and Bingham are next to fall. And it
will be long overdue. Karma.
I feel for the kids who did it the right way and put all the hard work and time,
the seniors are losing the most. I do agree with the decision and it's long
overdue. Everyone knew for years that Timpview was doing this and nothing was
done and they robed many schools out of a chance to win a state championship.
How about this. Let them play, even though it won't be "official"
because their title, if they win it, will be stripped after the tourney. But at
least the boys will know if they are the best or not. Who cares if it's
official or not. Or even better, let the winner of the 4A tourney play East the
following week. That way they will know who is the best 4A football team.
UHSAA has 9 people in it. The makeup is interesting. Two receptionists, one
administrative assistant, one office manager. The other five actually have
Director title. Does the organization do anything positive or just
make judgments on seemingly ridiculous things? To all of you about
fair. That is ridiculous. The previous story stated the reasons for all four
of these students. Read it. Most of them didn't contribute and many of
them had family, academic hardships. Really?
As a former coach and AD if I had any questions about transfers and the
Eligibility of players I just called the people at the UHSAA. I let them know of
everything, I did not hide anything, I explained all of the circumstances and
there was any on the fence issues I let them advise me on what to do, then I
explained to the parents and the student athlete what we needed to do next. I
was simple, I had access to the UHSAA all of the time.I feel bad for
the players at East, BUT the coaches and the admin are the ones to look at here,
and the rules clearly state that if boundries are crossed there are
consequences. Saddly forfiets are one of them.Sad way to end a
season of hard work and sacrifice.
It's always the adults that ruin sports for the kids. What's
disgraceful is their was an adult whose was being paid to ensure that
didn't happen and she failed to do her job. What do you tell these kids?
What positive life lesson are they supposed to take away from this situation. I
hope the East High community rallies around these kids. I think they will. The current rules need to be changed. They need to put mechanisms in
place to punish the people who are actually at fault, instead of slashing and
burning these kids dreams. You would think that the kids would be the most
important part of the equation, but apparently they're not.
How can anyone think this punishment is to much?You have to take away
wins. If you don't, the student players that did not play illegaly would be
benefitting from those that did.
take away the region champ title.. as a football player you don't okay for
region titles but for a shot at the big show.. with cases such as timpview and
snow canyon though the were stripped of there region titles both were allowed to
compete in the playoffs.. we take away there chance to play and what do we teach
them? that no matter how hard you work there will always be someone ranked above
you who controls your destiny.. yes there needs to be a punishment but you must
follow the spirit of the law.. what surprises me is that no one bothered looking
into it at the beginning of the season.. only until east proved there dominance
that people were looking for some flaw in order to bring east down..
congratulations to all haters.. you just destroyed the dreams of 120 football
players who just did what they loved..
What did Jordan or Cottonwood do that was brought to the UHSAA and had them rule
This is tragic that this came to light AT THE END of the regular season. The
paperwork should have been checked by BOTH PARTIES, the athletic director and
UHSAA. Why turn in the paperwork if no one is going to check them? Does UHSAA
have enough staff and time to check every player, address, transfer? If they
don't, then they shouldn't rely on someone or the general public to do
it for them. The executive committee member said himself, he wishes he had more
eyes to check everything. I am sure that if every athletic director's
paperwork were checked TODAY, there would be schools in violation just like East
and Timpview. Tracking 100+ players, there is bound to be mistakes. This all
should have been done and regulated BY BOTH PARTIES AT THE BEGINNING of the
season. A player found ineligible AT THE BEGINNING and THROUGHOUT THE SEASON
would not be able to play, plain and simple. To punish an entire team, coaching
staff, administration, and a community at this time of the season is wrong.
Maybe the kids and of parents of the kids in the programs who are inclined to go
after sought-out transfer players need to be more vocal about this type of
action by their coaches and admins. It is in your best interest to challenge
this stuff as it could result in this type of deserved penalty. Don't
leave it up to coaches who should have the best interest of ALL kids not just
the treasured transfer. East is not the only school doing this, they are just
the latest to be called out and surprisingly held to the consequence of breaking
association rules. If you don't want to be remotely bit by snakes
don't play with em. There are plenty of kids who live in-boundary who
support your programs and schools who are getting the shaft because you want to
pull in that special kid(s). Look at your staff and see the connection for
these kids, even bringing trainers on to "coach". UHSAA did the right
and no-brainer thing to do!! Rule of Law!!
@ camera2head. What has Jordan done? What are you getting at by bringing up
Jordan and Cottonwood?
@yankees27I closed my eyes and thought and then opened them and
realized/already knew that you shouldn't cheat or condone it. Put the
blame where it belongs, the UHSAA didn't break the rules...
What about Timpview now?They can't receive a slap on the wrist
now that East got the hammer! Time to put the hammer down on
cheaters and folks who don't do the paperwork right. There's only one
way to purge this cancer, and that's to ruin seasons and punish players and
schools who cheat and reward schools who don't.
I wonder if all of us closed our eyes and pictured how we would react if this
was our sons/daughters team and we had no control over it. How would we react
then?I agree that rules should be followed for ALL teams, but there
has to be a better way that the rules could punish the people in charge, not the
innocent student athletes who have worked so hard to get where they are.
Now having applied the full weight of the eligibility rules on East High School,
LET US dig up all the eligibility violations from every high school football
program in Utah. That is the only fair action that UHSSA can take to maintain
its legitimacy. I am willing to bet (statistically speaking) that 5% - 10% of
all student athletes are ineligible to play sports at their current high school.
Hundreds of student athletes and perhaps all high schools are currently in
violation. (Just give each school a grace period to self report without
penalty, and the truth will come out). Needless to say: "To
disproportionately punish the non-violating students, the team, their youthful
dreams, family dreams, and community expectations is ANTI-EDUCATION at its worse
nightmare. The eligibility rules as it now stands, can trivially destroy a
Shame on you UHSAA executive committee. This is the wrong decision. The decision
by the Region committee was fair and appropriate. Stop setting a precedence of
punishing kids for rule infractions. Make the rules simple and stop changing
them every year. The rules say schools may forfeit games not that they have to
forfeit. You are cowards for not being willing to interpret the situation
individually. This has to change. I am a parent of young kids and do not want
my kids going to Utah schools that don't care about them. I don't
want them raised in a school system where adults can take away their season so
easily. Shame on you UHSAA executive committee. This is not a case of
recruiting or cheating!
THE UHSAA SHOULD FORFEIT ITS' EXISTENCE!!!This is a horrible
thing to do to kids who would have otherwise been eligible, to a team who has
worked so hard, to all of the students and parents of this school who had
nothing to do with any paperwork mistake.I hope someone with the
right skills and some common sense appeals this to the state Courts.
At least the UHSAA is consistent. Although I feel for the innocent kids, as was
said after the Snow Canyon baseball decision last year 'it's a good
life lesson for the kids'.
So sorry to most of the East players and fans... I feel for you.I do
however feel the decision was right based upon the rules as I understand them
(not saying that I am correct in my understanding).I would like to comment
about what I understand about open enrolement... first off I am a fan of Play
Where You Live. However I don't think that open enrolement has a thing to
do with sports or recruiting as others seem to imply.A school like
Timpview that is land locked for growth and yet has all of the facilities, that
school would only be at part capacity. The exact same could be said for many
other open enrolement schools, they need students in the classrooms.While
it can benefit sports/drama/academics or whatever reason a student may transfer
for, it is nothing more than to keep a public school filled.At least thats
how I see it.Again to East... I am sorry i can imagine the sting, but I
thinks it is the right decision.
Just get rid of open enrollment! Seems to be the easiest way to fix most of
these problems. If a kid moves into the schools boundaries, then he has to be
cleared first. Not that hard. Keep the players in their local boundaries, make
private schools that use kids from all over play enrollment +1 and it's way
easier than this mess. You would think that if the kids stayed in their school
boundaries, that the competition would even out over time and thus making most
sports more competitive and more interesting than just the usual suspects every
year. It would give more teams hope, and after all, hope is a good thing now
Transfer rules are not so complicated that it takes a rocket scientist to figure
it out. You are all acting like it is like the Tax code. As much news as it
has gotten over the years (Timpview most recently). You would think the the
administration AND coaches would pay a little bit more attention to the Division
1 prospects that magically show up to play for them! There are always programs
that draw intrest from parents and kids wanting to belong to a winning program.
Over the most recent years Bingham, Timpview, East and Bountiful have been
accused of this. Some poor kid needs to move in with his "uncle" ...
give me a break. The coach and administration turned a blind eye and the kids
get hurt in the end. Not shame on UHSAA ... shame on the coaches/administration
who cared more about winning than showing honesty, responsibility and doing the
job they are paid to do. How is this fair to the teams they beat having
ineligble players on the field? Who cares about the other teams they beat? Fair
play. Stop transfers all together. Play where you live, or become a fan in the
Is the UHSAA so inept that they can't figure out how to fix this for the
future? The biggest losers in this... and it happens every year... are the
innocent players/fans associated with programs that were/are affected by this
decision. How can this be prevented in the future? Why aren't rosters
reviewed and approved BEFORE THE FIRST GAME! This is ridiculous that we're
in week 10 and playoffs start next week and decisions relating to (in)eligible
players is happening now? We're never going to agree who's at fault
here and who should be punished. But let's at least come up with a better
system for the future... NOW!!
Big U fan is right. This is painful to read about....
The hard face for East is rules are rules weather you have family situations or
not, rules must be followed. Don't come at UHSAA for ruling the same way in
all cases before this one. Be upset with the AD and the Head Coach. Take Jordan
(since everyone brings them up) for example. Had 3 students transfer for
California. Did Jordan trust they would be eligible to play? No, they did what
they were supposed to do and filled out the proper paperwork and went to the
hearings. Two players were not cleared so they didn't play.Interesting to see if lets say Highland was in this situation, killing
everyone and this came up, how many East people would extend mercy to them. Its
a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY when its happening to you, upholding the rules when it
happens to someone eles.Get rid of open enrollement and watch the
valley teams kill everyone when you have no polynesians to block for your kids
or play defense line!
What about the roughly 500 players,coaches,administrators,and athletic directors
in the region who did it the correct way?Doing it the right way and
following policy needs to stand for something,or just have no rules at all.
Everybody has the same rules and regulations,know them and follow them.Its karma,maybe the tide is changing, some of these dirty schools are getting
what they deserve,first Timpview,then Cottonwood,now East. perfect world Bingham
and Jordan in the future.
To: "Big U Fan"It's not as simple os blaming the
"ATHLETIC DIRECTOR". If you read the UHSAA 3 page report of the hearing
you will see that East was trying to put all the blame on the athletic director
hoping that that would save them from the punishment they should have got. The
report clames that they told the coach it was not his problem to deal with if
his players were eligible or not. As they also listed in the report, the school
doesn't have the choice. It's a UHSAA rule that the coach, athletic
director, administration, players, and parents are all responsible for this
issue.Next, if you don't like the rules fight to get them
changed. But as long as those are the rules, follow them.I
personally don't agree with transfers at all. Attend and play were you
live, case closed.I also don't think they should have the dead
time rule. I think it also takes away what some players want and is best for
them. I understand the rules and why they have them, but they are
still wrong. "In my opinion".Go UHSAA.
A 3 to 2 decision... after 4 hours of deliberation.Interesting...Which part, of the rationale, for the decision, did the dissenting
voters disagree with?The school and the AD have been identified.Who were the 5 people who made the decision?Of those 5
people... who cast the affirming votes and who cast the dissenting votes?Any past history between East and those 5 people?
It's a tough call but it had to be done every year this Stuff goes on some
times you hear about it and most of time you dont .Do away with of Open
Enrollment period If you live there you played for the school in your dist. It
is not fair for all schools if you let go where they want nobody want to go to
Delta,Price,Rosevelt, Cause dad cant get a job there but if you live in Slc you
can get a car and drive to a school Get rid of open enrollment or make and
region for them and only two schools can go to state Make it fair I too find it
hard to belive Butters 22 yrs AD made such and mistake
As high schools enter the realm of trying to recruit players into their athletic
programs, we need to have rules about transferring students. And in order for
these rules to be legitimate, rules need to be enforced. The AD and the coaches
need to understand what it is they're getting into before they recruit
players into their program.
@rslActually TV only forfieted there regionwins from last year not there
Highland must be proud of themselves for being the whistleblowers since they
weren't able to beat East on the field.I feel sick for these East
kids who did everything right yet are being punished for the mistake of an
obviously incompetent AD.
It's sad for the kids but the East administration did not have a good
process and it cost themThis ruling has nothing to do with
recruiting which everyone seems heck bent on talking about. That is a whole
Well...everyone that wanted East to forfeit wins...you got it!!! I guess its
what needed to be done...but can you imagine the heartache of the boys and
families of the boys who will now miss the playoffs...even though they might be
one of the top 3 teams in the state. Imagine the seniors whose high school
football careers are officially over.Most of the people on these
posts were out for East's blood. Well, now that the ruling has come
down...ask yourself if that blood tastes good now???? The reality of the
situation is that maybe East was cheating....maybe they weren't. Maybe
they weren't ignorant at their jobs...maybe they were more skilled than
anyone else.The fact is this: With or without the ineligible
players...East was a top 3 school. A balance of strength has now taken place in
the 4A Playoffs...East leaves the playoffs and Cyrpus enters.As I
have stated before...I think forfeits should happen only after the firing of
either the coach, AD or principal. Region 6 is correct...the kids should not be
punished...too bad the UHSAA didn't agree!!!!
First off, whether or not the AD shoulda, coulda, woulda understood the UHSAA
paperwork is only part of the problem. I applaud the AD for falling on her
sword. I don't know her at all, but to resign your post over this
situation shows great character and a lesson for all to learn.Second, freedom loving patriots everywhere should understand that the UHSAA IS
THE PROBLEM!!! We live in a state where there is open enrollment. We are not
compelled to have our children attend our local school. Most of us, however,
make that choice as a matter of convenience, friends, social interaction etc.
Your children have school choice already right now. Further, if we really
believe in freedom and school choice, then we should believe it all the time,
not just when it fits our personal agenda. Young students should be able to go
wherever they for whatever reason they wish - yes, even to play a sport. What do you believe in people? Freedom or compulsion? It really is
that simple. Can't wait for you to blow me up. And no, I don't have
any dog in this fight. I just love freedom.
to those who are slamming the UHSAA, what about the kids and families who
actually abide by the rules? Are you saying allow this and anything similar to
slide? There are NO shades of integrity, you either have it or you don't.
The kids who are eligible on the East team are hurt by this granted, but if the
UHSAA allows this or lesser penalty all the other kids, coaches and families at
UHSAA member schools who abide by the rules would be unfairly impacted too. They
did the right and honorable thing that region 6 principals didn't have the
courage or integrity to do.
Sad! Best 4A football team in Utah is East! No offense, Logan, but the East
players just weren't into your game with all the stuff going on. The second
best team in 4A is whoever wins the watered down State tourney. The
"winners" will always know that they may not be the best....sad for
everyone. To be the best, you need to beat the best!
ONLY REASON KIDS CAN'T PLAY IN POSTSEASON: The ATHLETIC DIRECTOR made a
mistake. What a TRAVESTY. UHSAA, Make these kids pay for something they had
completely no control over. You Show them who's boss. I hope all feel for
these kids who put in so much effort to have a successful season taken away by
ADULTS. Who's at fault here, ONLY adults. Who suffers, the kids. I hope the
state is ashamed of punishing these kids. What a complete joke.
I'm not against transfers as long as the paperwork is filled out, that is
the rule at this time. Here is a link to the uhsaa(dot)org website that
outlines the paperwork: www(dot)uhsaa(dot)org(forward slash)transfer.html. They
even have their own tab for transfers and rules. It is two documents of 3 pages
each, one for transfer and one for hardship. What more training does the
AD's of different schools need! just do it right! Don't get me wrong,
I have a senior and I would feel bad if his team would have to forfeit games and
miss the playoffs, just do the paperwork! If you have so many kids transferring
into your school, shouldn't you be proficient in the paperwork?
For all of you calling for the cessation of athletic transfers, I just have one
question...how would schools like East, Timpview, etc keep winning if they
couldn't recruit throughout the valley to get the top talent?This has been a problem in Utah for a very long time, and it's actually
nice to see it enforced a little bit. I feel terrible for the kids who
didn't do anything wrong, but I have no doubt the school administrators
didn't know about this; this is why it needs to be punished the way it has.
East High has been in the news for lots of things over the years, I don't
think it is that harsh of a penalty, look at college's one person messes up
and the team gets in trouble, look at Timpview there coach messed up and now
there state championship was taken away so, maybe they should do there job in
the athletic department and do things that are good for the student not the
This is absolutely the right decision. East High will learn to follow the rules,
and other schools can learn from their mistakes.
I applaud the decision of the UHSAA. While it is a difficult thing for the
students to be sure, the precedent has already been established by Timpview,
Jordan, Snow Canyon, etc. Do the kids at East get punished due to the actions
or in actions of the AD? Yes. However, failure of the UHSAA to make this
decision would have sent a clear message that schools are free to look the other
way on eligibility requirements, thereby punishing those schools that actually
do enforce transfer and eligibility requirements. Thank you UHSAA for holding
@ UtahBruin -- to be clear, nobody at East tried to cover up anything. You can
fault the fact that those who were responsible for recognizing that there were
eligibility issues were simply ignorant of the rule change and therefore
didn't catch the fact that waivers needed to be filed. In each one of
these cases, had those waivers been filed, they would have been approved.
There's a lot of speculation on here about what went down, but those are
the facts. Nobody lied, nobody cheated, nobody tried to get away with anything.
And now the players, who have given their all, all season long and for years
leading up to this point, and have proven that they are clearly the best in 4A
and perhaps any classification in the state, have lost out on the opportunity to
earn their championship rings. It's a travesty all the way around.
Recruit kids, don't recruit kids, what ever. People still will move into
boundaries to play, it happens all the time.While this is completely
sad for the kids, this ruling had to be made. Its called consistency. At least
the UHSAA can do that. While its decisions may not always be in the overall
interest of the kids at least they decided that while East has been awesome this
year, the rules apply equally to everyone. Any other decision would have been
the real violation.One note the rules AREN'T that hard. Those
kids with transfer issues have to go before the UHSAA and get approval. Coaches
KNOW THAT. Blame it on the AD, because that's where the blame must lie but
lets not fool ourselves that no one else had any idea. And then to call it just
a simple clerical error is grossly understated as well.
To all of you saying in comments that this is unfair is ridiculous because it
clearly states in UHSAA EXACTLY what the rules are for all high schools! You
play the kids you forfeit your wins simple as that. These rules are so clear
that they couldn't be more clear and to those saying that they need to be,
its like saying we didn't know about that rule...Very fair punishment
because I am sure that the school will make sure that it will not happen again.
The school let down the rest of that team when those five kids slipped through
the cracks. GO RAMS
I have a hard time believing a woman doing her job for as long as she has just
slipped up this one time. Tough break for the other kids.
UHSAA has always been on a power trip. This seems extreme. UHSAA almost always
misses the big picture. Meaning, education is the #1 goal of schools. If a
transfer student is good at football but gets a better opportunity to better
themselves academically, shouldn't that be the goal? Shame on them
Fire the athletic director not the 120 kids that did not make the error. Understand rules but if the kids are not the ones doing the crime then
punish the ones that are. Find a new person that can figure out the rules and
actually send a email, text or how about an old fashion phone call. Again
punish the adults that make the mistake and not the kids and the studentbody.
This is beyond sad this is abuse of power by the UHSAA. I hope this decision
will be utilized by the Utah Legislature to strip the UHSAA of much of its
power. In an earlier article that describes in detail the special circumstances
of these youngmen I found it hard to beleive that any reasonable adult would put
in place a set of rules that would consider any of them inelegible to
participate in high school athletics. It is time to pull back the power we allow
this organization to have over our children. When the Legislature takes up this
issue I will be there to testify against the UHSAA.
Stop all athletic transfers. If you want to play, you play for the area school.
Anything less severe leads to recruiting kids and some of the problems of
collegiate and professional sports creeps into our schools.
Sad, but it needed to be done. Doesn't matter if the players were used
sparingly, doesn't matter if the players had that much impact on the games.
Football is a team sport, they win together and they lose together. This was
not just a box checking error. If you look at the guidelines for transfers it
is very clear what needs to happen and how it should happen. If done properly
the coaches, kids and administration would be aware. East high tried to cover
it up and hide thinking they wouldn't get caught and they did. I am sorry
to all the very talented boys, especially the seniors who just lost their last
year of football. Out of all of this, I hope the UHSAA makes some changes so
that this does not happen again. It happens far to much, especially over the
last few years. Who's next?
First off, let me say that I have no vested interest in what happens to East
High football. That said, if a athletic director of 23 years has a problem
interpreting the transfer rule, then there is a problem with the rule. Make it
clearer. Give training. Do something besides punishing the innocent football
players.UHSAA should be looking at itself for someone to punish, not
While I feel bad for the East players, who had a great season, this is the only
decision the UHSAA should have made. Otherwise, they needed to uphold the Region
6 sanctions and give Timpview back their Region 8 title. Until open enrollment
is gone and kids play where they live, this type of thing will continue.
It's nice to see the rules applied evenly to every school.
This is sad for the other kids on the team who did no wrong, but like so many
things in life, poor actions by leadership at the top have an impact on the
"little guy" even when the little guys don't deserve it. You
can't ignore/reduce consequences or you will simply invite more abuse of
What a sad deal all the way around. My son plays for Skyline and I can't
even imagine what the players and parents who followed the rules and did every
thing right must be feeling. In this day and age taking this kind of
risk with a team, especially a team as talented as east, is simply moronic.
East would have had the same success in their season with or without the players
in question. I guess the old saying is true, "You win as a team
and you lose as a team". Funny, that statement just doesn’t seem
right in this case.Mad respect goes out to the boys and parents who
followed the rules. My heart goes out to you all.
I am not an East High fan,in fact, I grew up in Logan, but this seems to be a
little extreme. Did the four players have that much impact on the games?
According to the newspaper reports (which is all I have to go on), these alleged
ineligible players did not play much. It is a shame that the whole team should
be punished for this. The sanctions by the Board should've been
sufficient. Kudos and or condolences to the 75-80 other players who were
This is why utah needs to eliminate transfer rule and become like California
where there is a 30 day waiting period.