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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 16 2012 10:37 p.m. MDT

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BYU Papa
Cedar Hills, ut

I thought Mitt Romney did a great job of answering the questions. The main problem seems to be that the News Media does not listen, for the most part. The queston of Guns to Mexico was never answered by Pres. OBama, Why???

The Democrats and particularly President OBama had better hope that he is not re elected next year. Think of the Mess they will have to explain then.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Illegal firearms circulated among criminals on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border. People were killed!

Why did Obama block investigations, and not give an explanation during the debate?

Many unanswered questions, and lies from Obama, and some feel he won the debate?

Where are the expectations? Have Americans become desensitized?

The loudness of a bark, doesn't make a leader with character.

Montana Mormon
Miles City, MT

So what constitutes being a winner of these debates? Which person is a better bully?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready for the first Wednesday of November to roll around so that this craziness can be put behind us and we can move on as a nation in dealing with the issues that face us.

Brian
Wasilla, AK

The media cannot be trusted to moderate these debates. The term "professional journalist" has become an oxymoron. Their individual arrogance and political agendas override any concern for a level playing field. Enough has become too much already.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

I can't declare a winner. It was pretty even. They both were in each others face throughout the debate. Yes, it was style over substance and that's been my complaint all throughout the campaign. The winner in last night's match was sound bytes.

Red
Salt Lake City, UT

It doesn't matter what Obama says because we have 4 years of Evidence of who he is....

Vote Romney if you want out of this nightmare.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"He claimed that he stated the next day he announced the Benghazi attack was an act of terror. When Candy Crowley stated she made a mistake in saying it was,"

Coleman, can you provide us with this quote from Crowley?

"The debate was clearly stacked against Romney. Heck, The moderator who intervened on behalf of Obama lied (something she later that night admitted to and apologized for) to protect her guy. "

Raybies, can you provide any evidence to back your claim? Can you provide the quote where Candy Crowley admitted she lied and apologized for it?

I'll wait, guys.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

Red, you are in a nightmare? Wow. Maybe you should just wake up.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

CNN is not necessarily a fair and balanced approach to news and the moderator definitely tried to help the President with the Libya comments and steered the mood to the wrong way. She did choose the question about Libya so that was good that it finally not only made it to the full media but to the public that was watching the debate last night. We have to give her credit for that.

The media hasn't been wanting to push for the real answer. The people that died, their families need the answer yesterday. When people are in those types of jobs at Embassies and Consulates, they accept certain risks in their jobs. These people were our servants attempting to make the world safer as we have business and commerce around the world, not just on the Internet or TV.

Our government failed these people and not to give them the truth and to muddy the water by a anti-muslim video that was on the market in June 2012 is abhoring for those in the intelligence and military worlds. They depend on truth not people in the large chain of command who did not answer truthfully to us.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Mrs. Clinton has done some good as Secretary of State and as the First Lady of the United States of America but this President made her lost all of that on the stage last night.

Who else will he sacrifice if he gets elected for another four years of Obamapolitics. We don't live in Chicago that is safe because they don't have AK-47s on their streets, only pistols.

He doesn't ever discuss his successes with honesty either. So how can we trust him in other things he talks about. He benefitted as a kid from the debate last night that our government helped him through his life to become a millionaire. He only talks as Governor Romney is the only one that is a millionaire. When the President brings up some of his things against Romney it opened the door for Romney to throw the same topic back as Obama has some of the same issues.

From looking at the President's face, it was sure a lot different last night as he had some anger when he is the President of the United States of America. This was only his opponent, not his enemy.

Janet
Ontario, OR

Mitt Romney's implication is that if he had been president from January 2009 to the present, we would be further ahead in recovering from the recession. We have never had a recession like the one that began at the end of G. W. Bush's term. No president in American history has been where Barack Obama has been over the past almost-four years. There is absolutely no way to know if Romney, given the exact same conditions, could have done better. What people perceive as Romney's precision in outlining his positions is actually his use of statistics,whether those statistics are accurate or not. Statistics about the last four years don't translate to a plan or explain the math behind cutting taxes across the board and reducing the deficit. Promises do not equal performance. Romney is also a bull in a china closet when he discusses foreign relations. I don't believe that he would "push the button" -- I don't see him as a warmonger -- but I do think his lack of on-the-spot tact and diplomacy could bring our international image back to where it was when GWB left office.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

One thing any student of politics and the American system gains from these debates is that the moderators skew and choose those items that will benefit their political agenda, which is not for conservatives. We have the News Media that stretches the truth and students need to learn that. Students who are undecided this late in the game have to learn to make decisions based on what the media and not what they have learned by studying the issues and proposals, whether it is a referendum or a person they are voting for.

Debates may help swing a little but Mitt Romney has been in 10 times more debates this season than our President has and had states know what his positions are. If these are students of the political system, there are more ways than listening to debates they should be involved in. Even though media sources provide some information alot of them are biased toward only one opinion, liberal. Conservative sources can have a similar bias but a person has to study to know. If people have ever lived in a foreign country, they definitely know we have the best process. We need good students of integrity.

Allen#2
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Mitt Romney did not answer the questions. His response most of the time was about his lame 5 point program and the millions of Americans unemployed.

Where are all the jobs created by the George W. Bush tax cut? How can people forget the BIG part of the current deficit is the cost of 2 unfunded wars started before Obama was elected?

It may be true that 47 % of Americans do not pay income tax...but they DO pay taxes on almost everything such as telephone bills, gasoline, electricity, natural gas, etc.

Clinton
Draper, UT

@Hutterite:

I don't see how, considering the dismal failure of the last four years in gas prices, the economy, our treatment of Israel, apologizing all over the place, high unemployment rates, etc., Obama could possibly "win" anything. The only way Obama could win would be if Americans have a short-term memory disorder or are completely asleep.

Even if you consider last night's performance in a vacuum, how can you say Obama won the debate with so many glaring inaccuracies in what he said?

1. Obama claimed that Romney said somebody like him should pay a lower tax rate than a nurse or bus driver. Transcripts show this is not true.

2. Obama claimed he cut taxes for the middle class and for small businesses, but that isn't true. He did offer a temporary "tax holiday" on the payroll tax, but has raised taxes on the middle class permanently with "Obamacare," for instance.

3. Obama's claim that oil production is up in America is false. Romney's accusation was correct.

Last nights debate couldn't be "won" by either candidate because they didn't actually debate anything. They just strutted around insulting each other.

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

@JWB
President Obama has more integrity in a toenail than there is in the entire Romeny/Ryan camp.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Clinton,

You write

1. Obama claimed that Romney said somebody like him should pay a lower tax rate than a nurse or bus driver. Transcripts show this is not true."

The facts are that Romney does pay a lower tax rate than many, including nurses and bus drivers. This is true whether or not Romney said it.

You write
2. Obama claimed he cut taxes for the middle class and for small businesses, but that isn't true.

Too complicated for me, however, income taxes are at a 60+ year low. They are significantly lower than they were under Reagan.

You Write
3. Obama's claim that oil production is up in America is false. Romney's accusation was correct.

Crude oil production in the US. (Thousand Barrels per Day)

Crude oil production IS up since Obama took office.

Year Thousand BBL per day
2002 5,745.55
2003 5,680.70
2004 5,418.85
2005 5,178.38
2006 5,102.08
2007 5,064.25
2008 4,950.32
2009 5,360.54
2010 5,474.35
2011 5,672.56

LoveLife
Riverton, UT

Mark,
Not sure where you've been. Crowley did take it back, almost immediately following the debate: "Romney was 'right in the main' on Benghazi, but 'picked the wrong word'" but she hasn't apologized (that I've seen, at least). It's not hard to find-do a search.

The news following the debate seems to be how the media is biased towards Obama-which is clear and evident. Besides Crowley's incorrect fact-check, she interrupted Romney 28 times vs. Obama 9 times. Obama was given 10% more speaking time than Romney, in spite of her claims that they were keeping track and Romney would get equal time.

And Crowley's little fact-checking gimmick? Now the first couple of weeks following the Benghazi attack are front and center again, as everyone knows it took two weeks for Obama to call it a terrorist attack.

Not sure why anyone thinks Obama won when he has to hide behind the moderator.

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

Several points need be made here: A change in format is needed to allow fact checking during the debate otherwise there is no downside to both candidates telling their personally favorable version regardless of the truth. This is the era of "google" and everyone save those attending the debate can find facts as the debate continues. This would (and should) be the debate version of instant replay as used in the NFL. Also, it would be good to have a meter to track how much time each candidates have spoken. If at the end one has had more time, the other should get the difference in their closing statement.

I can't believe that the same Romney who was so deft in the first debate could give so many openings to the President this time. What was he thinking to be bringing up his pension??? "You have Chinese investments and some in the Caymans too!" Wow, that reasoning will will a lot of votes. Also the opening on the auto bailout: "our positions are the same, I would have let them go bankrupt just as he did!" Really, want to go there? Why?

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

When you use fact your being mean joeblow.

When asked the difference between himself and bush, romney spent his 2 minutes saying it is a different time (4 years later) and GW was a different person. He didn't say their policies were any different. Or when asked about his immigration policy and he described the dream act (without calling it that) as a good idea, only to be called on how he promised to repeal it.

Mitt, while chiding Obama about his promises said "on Day One" he will accomplish no fewer than 15 tasks on his first day in office.

Car salesman comes to mind (no offense to car salesmen)

jsf
Centerville, UT

JoeBlow
Yes oil production is up, on private land. Obama removed 48% of leases from the oil companies. Obama would not answer the request by Romney to tell how many leases he canceled. Oil production on federal reserves is down 16%.

Mark from the CNNPress room site.
"CANDY CROWLEY, debate moderator, after the debate: You know, again, I heard the president's speech at the time. I sort of reread a lot of stuff about Libya because I knew we'd probably get a Libya question, so I kind of wanted to be up on it. So we knew that the president had said, you know, 'these acts of terror won't stand,' or whatever the whole quote was.

I think actually, you know, because right after that, I did turn to Romney and said you were totally correct but they spent two weeks telling us that this was about a tape and that there was this riot outside of the Benghazi consulate, which there wasn't. So he was right in the main, I just think that he picked the wrong word."

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