Mormon 'cult' reference removed from Billy Graham website


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  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Oct. 23, 2012 2:17 a.m.

    Bill in Nebraska

    That the extermination of nonbelievers will happen in the future makes no difference.

    It is still a horrible worldview.

  • TyeDye San Antonio, TX
    Oct. 19, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    Google "An Open Letter to Billy Graham Regarding Mitt Romney and Mormonism." It addresses thoughts on how some Christians have allowed their patriotism to become an idol worshiped in Jesus' name. It sends a message that Christians must focus on perceived threats to their earthly kingdom more so than on threats to the Kingdom of God. Billy Graham removed language from its website calling Mormonism a cult to AVOID controversy? By doing this, they jumped right into it.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 7:59 a.m.

    Christian is as Christian does. If you were accused of being a Christian, would there be enough evidence convict you?

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Oct. 17, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    To Scientist: Again you're mixing what happens at the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. All of that takes place then. If you even cared to read more carefully you would find that ALL the wicked will be destroyed at that time that only the MOST righteous will be left alive on earth. It doesn't say that only members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints will be alive but the most righteous which includes everyone from all different religions on earth. In the beginning there will be still the same amount of religions on earth but as millineium becomes the standard then and only then will there be only one government subject to Jesus Christ. There will still be a lot of missionary work going on. The thing is the government will be after the organization of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Christ WILL be on the earth and will be its KING over all people.

    In time only one Church will be left, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.

  • Brother Dave Livermore, CA
    Oct. 17, 2012 5:27 p.m.

    Good to see non-LDS Christians coming together with the LDS on some common grounds.

    The "War of Words and Tumult of Opinions" is still alive in many circles,
    but this is really a Big Step Forward to see a more "civil" and respectful
    attitude developing. Billy Graham's son, Franklin, was interviewed on
    Piers Morgan's CNN show the other night, and he reflected a similar feeling
    about accepting Mitt and Mormons in general in a more positive way, but Franklin
    Graham came short of referring to Mormons as fellow "Christians". Piers Morgan
    tried real hard to get Franklin to agree that Mormons are equal Christians, but
    Franklin refused to go that far.

    However, this is a Big step in the Right direction. The "War of Words and Tumult of
    Opinions" has been around for a long time, even before Joseph Smith. In Europe before
    the USA was even born, Religious Intolerance cost many their very lives. Especially those
    who wanted the see the Bible available in the "English" language.

  • JCH San Diego, CA
    Oct. 17, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Is this entire orchestration about gay marriage? Is it that significant an issue for Graham and his followers, that they'll do an about-face and support the candidate who wants to use all the powers of the the federal government -- a constitutional amendment, even! -- to deny gays the right to marry?

    I've been out of the Bible belt for a while, but is it really that big of an issue there?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    @Tom in CA

    "Some pretty shallow and cynical comments above. "

    I think there's reason to be cynical though. There are some faith leaders that seem to be nice about the LDS church when the LDS church has something they want be it a presidential candidate or support for a ballot initiative.

    "Nice PR work Mitt Romney. "

    The problem is Mitt Romney also is the cause of a lot of people having reduced opinions of the LDS church. Not his fault really, that's just what happens when someone's approval rating is about 50-50.

    "And nothing you say will prove to them otherwise."

    Sadly so. Even as an ex-mormon myself arguing that the church isn't a cult (one would think this would be a rather influential position to be in since it's the demographic stereotyped accurately or not as being most likely to consider the church a cult) I seem to find pushback in the form of 'you just don't want to admit you were part of one'. People seem to need to figure out that a religion/denomination can be wrong without having to be a cult.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    Politics sure makes strange bedfellows, as the old saying goes.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    Daniel Haszard wrote:

    "Benevolent religions offer hope, compassion, and want peace for your fellow man - even the nonbelievers. A destructive cult wants power,money, and obedience. All the outsiders must be destroyed (Armageddon). I think that's the big distinction between two different belief systems of high demand cult or benign religion."

    That seems reasonable.

    Given those definitions, then, what do you make of the following:

    "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the kingdom of God on the earth, but is at the present limited to an ecclesiastical kingdom. During the millennial era, the kingdom of God will be both political and ecclesiastical, and will have worldwide jurisdiction in political realms when the Lord has made 'a full end of all nations' (D&C 87: 6)." (LDS Bible Dictionary).

    Along with D&C 87:6 and 1:14?

    Can you at least see where those might be of concern to "nonbelievers"?

  • codger Southwest Utah, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    Billy Graham is a good man, but he isn't God. Probably the "Billy Graham Evangelistic Association" should recuse itself from having to decide who is a cult and who is not, and leave that up to God.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 10:16 a.m.

    What a great leader Romney is to seek prayers from a man not of his faith. I think it speaks truckloads for his character and respect for the religious rights of others.

    He's a great candidate and will do our country proud.

    Oct. 17, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    I frequently hear the term "commander-in-chief" being used in reference to the president. It is used in such a way as to imply that he is commander-in-chief of the nation. He is not. He is commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed forces in time of war. He does not command the citizenry. He is chief executive over the nation's adiministrative affairs as a whole. We don't have a sovereign king or ruler. The president, along with Congress and the Judiciary) is a servant the people and accountable to us. In the United States the people as a body are the sovereign.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    Sooner or later everyone sees the fruit of who we are and when it is good there isn't much else to say.

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    God bless Billy Graham. He is, and always was, a genuinely good man. This development is further evidence of the same.

    As for the differences, John once came to Christ and said, "Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part. For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward." Mark 9:38-41 KJV

    Remember the words of Christ. Be kinder to each other. Show evidence that His love shines through you.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    And if Mitt loses the election, the webpage goes right back up...

    It is all about power and money. The LDS Church competes with Billy Graham's income. But Graham wants a voice he can partly control in the Oval Office.

  • Daniel Haszard Bangor, ME
    Oct. 17, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    Benevolent religions offer hope, compassion, and want peace for your fellow man - even the nonbelievers.
    A destructive cult wants power,money, and obedience. All the outsiders must be destroyed (Armageddon). I think that's the big distinction between two different belief systems of high demand cult or benign religion.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Oct. 17, 2012 6:01 a.m.

    @Meadow Lark Mark.....when was it in History that Christianities goal was for everyone to "get along" with each other? That's about the last thing they've ever done.
    The article seems so silly. Taking the stripes off a zebra doesn't mean it's not a zebra anymore.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2012 12:26 a.m.

    I don't need Mr. Graham's approval to validate my belief. The proof of being Christian is proved by a persons acts, not by anothers opinion. After it is no longer a political issue I wonder if the Mormon church is put back on "The Cult List". If it is, who cares. There will always be people that think the church is a cult. And nothing you say will prove to them otherwise.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Oct. 16, 2012 11:34 p.m.

    Gotta wonder what Mitt Romney promised Billy Graham.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Oct. 16, 2012 7:51 p.m.

    Wow. What a turn of events from Reverend Graham. His own definition labels his own brand of religion a cult. Reverend Graham prays to the Lord Jesus, and you won't find that in the Bible, especially the teachings of Jesus himself who taught us to pray to the Father in his own (Jesus) name. I look forward to the day when Reverend Graham teaches consistent with the Bible in every way - even in this one way. Congratulations Mitt for a great accomplishment. Those things for which Reverend Graham respects you are good attributes to possess.

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Oct. 16, 2012 7:12 p.m.

    Our goal should be to get along with each other. Isn't that what Christianty should be about? It appears that Mitt Romney has done well. Go Mitt Romney.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Oct. 16, 2012 6:52 p.m.

    "We claim the privilege of worshiping almighty God according the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege. To worship how, where, or what they may."

    Some pretty shallow and cynical comments above.

    Nice PR work Mitt Romney. One excellent example of his ability find common ground, and to bring and unite people together who have diametrically opposed theological views. Not an easy task.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 5:32 p.m.

    Now the Scientologists are all jealous -- "How do we earn legitimacy?" they are asking.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 5:19 p.m.

    Religion is so shallow when it pulls these stunts. So which is it, billy? Did god send you a revelation in the past couple days or were you just making all this stuff up? Because I thought god is infallible. Appearance means a lot in these cases and it appears to me that Billy gets more power from his association with the white house than ANY other source.

  • Ying Fah Provo, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    Now everyone can be all buddy buddy. Kisses and hugs!

    See Romney smile? Now if only Franklin could commit.