What exactly is a "spoiler"? Far as I can tell, it's anyone who
messes with the simplistic two-party narrative and offers something other than
the status quo. In our crazy upside-down world, the candidate who actually
offers something different is derided as insignificant at best and a spoiler at
worst. Mitt Romney talks a great game about spending and debt, but has never
produced the numbers that would lead to a balanced budget. He promises to cut
spending for PBS, but have we made progress if all that money just goes toward
building a fence and increasing military spending? Ralph Nader and Gary Johnson
deserve a lot of credit for pointing out the flaws in both parties. The irony
is that we mock the likes of Nader and Johnson for ruining the story, while our
two parties give us more debt, more troops in more places, the Patriot Act, the
NDAA, and a host of other costly schemes.
There is a need for Libertarianism if they could just get it right.The
idea that many things ought not be the bailiwick of government appeals to many
Americans.But then they start talking about legalizing street drugs,
bringing all the troops home from everywhere, closing the public schools and
opening the borders so the market can work freely...and then they lose us.So close, and yet so far away.
If you need someone to call Mitt "wacky nuts" on any other topics, just
let me know.
Romney didn't know just how right he was when he called it "a
no-brainer" to build a fence along the U.S./Mexican border. Brains were not
employed to come up with the dumbest idea the U.S. has ever concocted in
immigration policy.I disagree with much of what the Libertarian
Party believes in but some of its platform planks show a common sense that is
badly lacking in the country.
This story shows again how anti-Romney and anti-conservative the DesNews really
is. While I agree that a fence won't necessarily help, it is what Romney
had to say to secure the Tea Party vote. But people in glass houses
shouldn't throw rocks, either. And Libertarians are notorious for an
"anything goes" approach to the legality of things. Gary Johnson himself
(by being a Libertarian) is "nuts". (Will the DesNews disallow this
comment, though the article does it, of making an ad hominen attack)?Should we try to further stop the flow of illegal drugs from Mexico, just to
legalize drugs (like marijuana) in the US, otherwise, as Libertarians propose?
Or, can we save white families from committing suicide, by hastening that with
legalized prostitution, which Libertarians support? Talk, about pecans, cashews,
and other "nuts"!Illegal immigrants have been more of a
salvation to the US, by the sheer number of babies they've born, overall,
than a detriment. Most Americans bear a sub-replacement number of babies per
lifetime. It would be stupid, I agree, to kick them out.But, to do
anything, as Reagan pointed out, Romney must first get elected. I fear Obama
I will be voting Libertarian once again - Gary Johnson 2012.Been
voting Libertarian ever since I left the GOP 24 years ago.
Ah, the 3rd Party Candidate... no chance to win, but acting as the
"don't like the other two" vote cancels out votes for one of the
candidates. So, even though there is no chance a 3rd party candidate could win
in THIS election - it may cause some indigestion for Romney if the 17% of
evangelicals really decide they can't vote for a "mormon" and vote
for the 3rd Party which then becomes a vote for Obama. The best bet for
the Libertarian ideology is for them to fight to get their ideas onto one of the
two main Parties' platform - like Ron Paul eventually did - at least the
ideas get some notice without voting haphazardly out of spite and get an even
less ideal outcome with the election results.
"....The best bet for the Libertarian ideology is for them to fight to get
their ideas onto one of the two main Parties' platform...."==========What history has shown is that third party ideas get
absorbed into one or both of the two major parties only after they start
demonstrating voter appeal in an election.
Re: WHAT NOW? Saint George, UTmeantime federal prosecutors and the
FBI in the final stages of a criminal probe into allegations that Rep. Jesse
Jackson Jr. misused campaign money to decorate his house.A
politician from Chicago in trouble for breaking the law? Say it ain't so.
Maybe Obama can give him a pardon.
Who let the kooks out?
"While I agree that a fence won't necessarily help, it is what Romney
had to say to secure the Tea Party vote."Ah yes. How sad. one
has to take stupid positions to secure the vote. Kind of like telling Florida
that we need a moon colony. Sorry, but it happens on the right far far too
often.Rifleman, Do you feel that Democrats cross the ethics line
more often than Republicans?From where I stand, both parties seem
pretty equally challenged when it comes to ethics.
Just another media darling to howl and gnash his teeth after Romney wins.
@RiflemanYou have to be really careful about influence peddling and your
house. You might look at the vacant lot next to the Obama home in Chicago which
Barack and Michelle bought for about a third of the real market value of the
property.The seller? Tony Rezko.Nothing to see here, folks. Move
@Diligent DaveSo, you're an advocate of growth at any cost.So
is Alan Greenspan when he talks about illegal aliens.Me, not so much. As
a nation we've made millions of reproductive decisions which would indacte
that we want less growth. What gives the elites the right to overrule those
decisions? What gives them the right to ignore the law in the name of cheap
Dear Mitt -- The Soviet wall in Germany didn't work. China's Great
Wall didn't work. What makes you think an American wall would work? All
it would do is raise our national debt.
If you want to vote 3rd party in Utah, go for it. Romney has the electoral votes
locked up here. However, if you are in a swing state, you should consider
swapping your vote (legally). Essentially, you agree to vote for the lesser of
two evils (e.g. Romney for me), and in return, I being in Utah agree to vote for
your 3rd party candidate (e.g. Johnson). It gives the 3rd party extra votes and
a bit more influence at the table behind the scenes - and to qualify them for
matching funds - yet doesn't lead to somebody winning (e.g. Obama) in a
tight race because you threw your vote away. Check out the Wired article on the
Vote Trade and see if it is right for you.
Gary's right. Romney is a wacko and a terrible leader to boot. Look no
further than his one stint as Govenor where he did not run for a 2nd term after
turning his back on the people who elected him. He had a 35% approval rating
and the budget and infrastructure were a mess. Ever since Nixon whenever this
country turned to a Republican to restore fiscal sanity things have gotten
worse. Now is not the time to hand over the keys to the city to Willard. Other
than making himself rich and becoming the face of the Mormon Olympics what has
he done to have us think he is ready for the job? Sorry Mitt, but you'll
be back on your Cayman Island jet ski in just 4 more weeks. Johnson in 2012!!
As we told Ron Paul, Get your own room!If Libertarians cannot stand on
their own, why try to co-opt Republicans?
"Just another media darling to howl and gnash his teeth after Romney
wins."Gary Johnson is a "media darling"? Wow. Yep, I
guess you are just too smart for me. Say no, it's not true what
you are saying about the Obama house in Chicago. You don't have your facts
If Romney and his cohorts can convince Congress to build an eight-foot fence, I
will go to Mexico to purchase stock in nine-foot ladders.
You'd have to be a wackado to vote libertarian anyway.
re: Craig Clark 11:00 a.m. Oct. 15,And Willard is the son of an
immigrant. Hmmmmm!?@ LDS Liberal 11:50 a.m. Oct. 15"I will be voting Libertarian once again - Gary Johnson 2012."I will too. Though, I have not been 'choosing wisely' as long
as you.@ johnnylingo62 11:52 a.m. Oct. 15, 2012Ah, the
either its gotta be black or white and the best bet is to conform mantra.
Zzzzzzz!As far as I know, Dr Paul has always been in the GOP. The
Libertarains did such a good time in '08 w/ Bob Barr who is not a true
Libertarian. He started the impeachment process on Clinton. Most
Evangelicals I know consider themselves conservative Constitutionalists. The
Constitition party is ideal for them. I think S Palin & Tim Tebow will be
their 2016 ticket!?
Per Diligent Dave 11:38 a.m. Oct. 15Johnson was at one point in the
GOP but came to his senses.Funny. Libertarians truly believe in
letting the market work w/ only common sense to temper it & you think
that’s nuts? Per johnnylingo62Evangelicals are
tailor made for the Consistution Party. Dr Paul has always been in
the GOP.Per The AuthorityAnd what do you call it when
you continually vote for 1 of 2 parties where both always trot out some Ivy
It's ironic that a libertarian would accuse anyone of being wacky.
"Libertarians truly believe in letting the market work w/ only common sense
to temper it & you think that’s nuts?"Well, quite
frankly, yes. "You'd have to be a wackado to vote
libertarian anyway."I thought your comment rather. . . flawed.
And then I read their platform. You are right.
The AuthorityRichfield, UTYou'd have to be a wackado to vote
libertarian anyway.•5:02 p.m. Oct. 15, 2012OwlSalt Lake
City, UTIt's ironic that a libertarian would accuse anyone of being
wacky.9:08 a.m. Oct. 16, 2012============ Isn't it ironic that Republicans say they are peace loving, freedom
fighting, and for lower taxes, but they start wars, take away Choice, and
spend more than Democrats?BTW - I'm still voting Libertarian
because I vote my conscious, not just picking a winner in a horse race.
How would he appeal to the wacky nuts right wingers?
LDS Liberal, have you read the Liberatarian party platform?
Say No to BO Mapleton, UTRomney, Boss-in-Chief! "Fire that
I didn't know there was such conflict between Republicans and Libertarians.
It's like Israelis and Palentinians, common ancestry and enemies to the
core. It make Republicans and Democrats appear like the best of Best Friends
Forever. This has been fun.