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  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Oct. 19, 2012 3:48 p.m.

    Well, unfortunately my Cougars will have at least three or more turnovers and will put the defense in terrible position to try and stop ND. I hope I am wrong, but I fear it could get ugly.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 19, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    well one thing is for certain in this game - we know what BYU's score will be - 0! As for ND I suspect a decent BYU defense will finally succumb to the great field position they will get all game long and put up at least 24 points.

  • CT98 Saint George, UT
    Oct. 18, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    James Lark needs to play

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    Broom Hockey Champ
    Scottsdale, AZ

    Funny thing is we are only a few plays away from an undefeated season.

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    True, but your are also a few plays away from a losing season (3-4).

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 16, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    Why are BYU fans bashing on Riley?

    Heaps, Lark, or anyone else on your roster has been able to beat out Riley.

    It's either:

    A) You have no talent
    B) Your coaches can't judge talent

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 10:40 a.m.

    "In the 3 games that BYU has lost, they were and are the btter team." WOW!

    Lots of if only, if onlys from byU "fans" on this thread. Pretty funny.

    Just go beat'm! Of yeah, you still have Riley. Never mind.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 16, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    @ sammyG

    Yet 3-0 vs. BYU over the last three years. You never mention that stat; now that's curious.

    As far as the game goes, I would love to see BYU knock of Notre Dame, even though fans like you make it tough to support the Cougs in any fashion. I know the majority of BYU fans are all right. I think it will be a close game, but Notre Dame will prevail at home; 28-17.

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    Oct. 16, 2012 12:23 a.m.

    No hope this weekend.
    Score will be:
    BYU-0
    ND-55.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 11:20 p.m.

    Jenny83

    OSU Head Coach Riley said there was very little separation between OSU's top two QBs and BYU hung with OSU score for score until the closing minutes of the game.

    You should try actually watching games before cluelessly spouting off about them.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 11:15 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    "Why is BYU afraid to schedule Colorado?"

    Only in your dreams is BYU afraid to schedule the Buffs. BYU is 3-1 versus Colorado in their last four meetings and hasn't lost to the Buffs since a 7-9 set back in 1947.

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    NoConferenceChampionshipsforU

    "Yet we have a losing record against the PAC 12 this season. Does that make sense?"

    Who's we? Got a mouse in your pocket?

    It's laughable that you chide BYU for only being 1-2 in the PAC, when your Utes are 0-3.

    What makes more sense is Utah being 0-1 in WAC, since the Utes only won 2 WAC champinoships in 38 years. Ironically, not much has changed for the Utes since joining the PAC. The Utes are still conference also rans and BYU is still Utah's bowl game.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 10:35 p.m.

    "Hey Y fans - You got beat by 18 at home to a team with their back up QB and you think you're going to beat ND on the road?"

    Jenny obviously did not watch the game. It was close until Riley heroically snatched BYU out of the jaws of victory!

    -_-_-_-_

    I'm all for giving people second and maybe third chances. I give people the benefit of the doubt. I had faith that Riley could prove himself a worthy QB. However, I have lost a lot of respect for him. Either he was still hurt, or worse yet he was healthy and what we saw in the fourth quarter was the true Riley. Either way, Lark should have been given a chance. He couldn't have done much worse than Riley in the final minutes.

    If Doman goes with Riley for this game and doesn't put in Lark, then I'm all for firing him as OC. I have been patient, but he's had too many strikes now that keeping Riley in the game will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

    We do have a chance of winning @ND, but not if Riley starts.

  • Why would I? Farmington, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    Some like the black uniforms? Do they like the Blue Smurf in Boise where the home team gets to wear blue unfiforms, too?

    It's a little much when the U has a black-out; why does the Y need one too? This is just the latest trend, like socialized medicine, round-abouts at every intersection, etc. Traditions are fading fast.

    Bronco needs to get a grip on his coaching staff---they have been loose cannons this year.

  • Jenny83 Logan, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 10:13 p.m.

    Hey Y fans - You got beat by 18 at home to a team with their back up QB and you think you're going to beat ND on the road? Good luck, You'll need it.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Oct. 15, 2012 8:26 p.m.

    sammyg
    Springville, UT
    WacPaddledMyUtes

    Utes 24-31 against Colorado

    Utes 0-7 against Washington

    1-6 against YMCA

    Utes are ninth overall in head to head competition against PAC opponents. Really pretty pathetic when you look at the numbers.

    In light of the Utes history against PAC opponents... losing to Colorado last year made perfect sense.

    It's pretty exciting to see these trends continue at 0-3.

    >>>

    Yet we have a losing record against the PAC 12 this season. Does that make sense?
    Tell Holmoe to schedule other teams in the future for BYU. Unless you want the exciting trend of losing to PAC 12 teams to continue.

  • 4BS St George, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 8:14 p.m.

    This definately a trap game for ND. If any of you out there have actually watched any ND games,you'll see their offense isn't very good. So to predict BYU gets blown out by 35 points just shows how uninformed you really are. I like the Cougs to bounce back. BYU 21- ND 17.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 7:12 p.m.

    WacPaddledMyUtes

    Utes 24-31 against Colorado

    Utes 0-7 against Washington

    1-6 against YMCA

    Utes are ninth overall in head to head competition against PAC opponents. Really pretty pathetic when you look at the numbers.

    In light of the Utes history against PAC opponents... losing to Colorado last year made perfect sense.

    It's pretty exciting to see these trends continue at 0-3.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 6:26 p.m.

    Why all the praise for the black uniforms? They remind me of a tacky funeral.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Oct. 15, 2012 5:37 p.m.

    Broom Hockey Chump I am so tired of fellow BYU fans blaming the refs. I'm surprised "blame the refs" is not on a t-shirt already. Someone would make a lot of money selling that to BYU fans.

  • CT98 Saint George, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 5:34 p.m.

    James Lark

  • Pa. Reader Harrisburg, PA
    Oct. 15, 2012 4:18 p.m.

    Broom Hockey Fan:
    Stick to analyzing broom hockey.
    This BYU team has some great athletes but unless something is done to give them a chance to win against good teams, the recruiting well will run dry. Then the Y will field entire teams of under sized, less talented, "gritty" players who really try hard but can't compete in major college football (ala Riley.)
    We all have to hope Tom Holmoe will have the courage to step in and make major changes to the program before things get any worse. I believe he will. The move to independence was not made with mediocrity in mind. Next year's schedule is arguably the toughest yet. If changes aren't made it could be down right embarrassing.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Scottsdale, AZ
    Oct. 15, 2012 4:04 p.m.

    Riddles,

    To be fair, when you quote BYU's record against PAC teams BYU wasn't playing those games back-to-back-to-back-to-back. There's a lot of speculation and conjecture in your post.....And I'd hardly call the USU win something to write home about. Since when is beating USU on our field something to boast about? I'm actually a bit embarrassed about it, even though we won because of how sloppy we played.

    That being said, I think we are only a handful of plays away from being undefeated. If we would have executed on the 2-point conversion against B-State, made the FG against our lil' bros, and not had bad luck and the refs against us in the OSU game, we'd be in the top 15 in the BCS standings and well on our way to a BCS game. Even after all that, I think a win this week and we're back on our way to another top 25 finish.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Oct. 15, 2012 3:56 p.m.

    Riddles in the Dark
    Olympus Cove, Utah
    U 90

    It's very possible, if not probable, that if BYU had played Utah's schedule last season, that BYU, despite their loss to the Utes, would have won the PAC south; don't forget BYU is 4-4 versus Washington; Utah is 0-7 versus Washington. And, BYU wouldn't have lost to Colorado.

    We'll see if Utah does any better against Oregon State than BYU did (down by only 4 with less than 6 minutes left in the game). We've already seen that BYU was able to handle a Utah State team that the Utes couldn't.

    _________________________

    Who cares! BYU is not in the PAC 12.

    Why is BYU afraid to schedule Colorado?
    The Buffs own the 3-8-1 all time!

    BYU is 6-9 all time against San Jose St!

    OUCHAMUNDO!!!

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Oct. 15, 2012 3:39 p.m.

    U 90

    Head-to-head matchups between BYU and Utah are only a piece of the puzzle in determining how BYU would be doing as a member of the PAC 12.

    Bronco almost never loses to bad teams - he was undefeated against New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV.

    Kyle is constantly losing to bad teams - he lost to New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, 10-loss UNLV and 10-loss Colorado.

    Bronco is 9-7 versus PAC teams.
    Kyle is 8-11 versus PAC teams.

    It's very possible, if not probable, that if BYU had played Utah's schedule last season, that BYU, despite their loss to the Utes, would have won the PAC south; don't forget BYU is 4-4 versus Washington; Utah is 0-7 versus Washington. And, BYU wouldn't have lost to Colorado.

    We'll see if Utah does any better against Oregon State than BYU did (down by only 4 with less than 6 minutes left in the game). We've already seen that BYU was able to handle a Utah State team that the Utes couldn't.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Oct. 15, 2012 2:14 p.m.

    Despite last week's meltdown against OSU, I think BYU has the horses on defense to keep it close. If Bronco and Doman are smart they will give Lark the start.... what do they have to lose at this point in the season?

    Broom Hockey, "only a few plays away from an undefeated season". Are you kidding? If, but, if, but, if, but.....

    Jark, I love the BYU fan calling Utah the PAC12 doormat, which may be true, but consider the source. What would that make BYU then.... something below the doormat I guess. Your not in a position of strength to be calling out the team that owns you.

  • bslack Draper, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 2:13 p.m.

    I know Boise State, Utah, and Oregon St. had some errors and execution problems as well. That is why the game is played. Turnovers and errors is the difference in most if not all games. The phantom PI didn't cost them the game, but poor defense against the pass as well as throwing costly interceptions did. How many passes did Riley throw that should have been picked that were not? The same in the Boise State and Utah games. Bronco and fans want to whine about the back breaks or that the ball didn't bounce our way, but we have had at least 5 to 6 potential interceptions that were dropped by the defense of the schools we lost too. We have had our breaks, but we are not good enough to take advantage. We are constantly losing the field position game. Our Offense is not good enough to drive 70 to 85 yards against good teams consistently. We were a little lucky in the USU game and could have lost that game. BYU is not better than Oregon St. or Boise St. and Utah is struggling like BYU.

  • bslack Draper, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    I have to say that I liked the Black Uniforms as well. Not weekly, but once or twice a year would be great. BYU has had some of the best recruiting classes they have ever had. We should expect to see better players and increased depth. Riley is a warrior, but just an average or lower D-1 QB. I am surprised that our Offensive Line is struggling and not better. Our Defense is strong and I hope we can continue to have a good to great Defense in the future. We have talented receivers, but we can't get them the ball to make plays. I really like Williams as a RB, but we need depth with Alisa out for most of the year. Because of the Heaps problems, BYU has been caught without a strong QB. I liked what Taysom was doing, but Doman still needs to show that he can develop QB's and make them better. Heaps regressed from his Freshman year to Sophmore year. This could be partly his work ethic. Riley has not gotten better from last year and as a Senior, should be better at reading defenses and making smart plays.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Scottsdale, AZ
    Oct. 15, 2012 12:15 p.m.

    In the 3 games that BYU has lost, they were and are the btter team. BYU did not execute on just a few plays and pratically gift-wrapped the BSU and Utah wins. If they wouldn't have had those turnovers, they would have won those games. It didn't help that the refs gave a good Beavers team a phantom PI call, too.

    If BYU wins this game, which I think they will, another top 25 finish will be possible. After beating a top 10 team, BYU can run the table and then win their bowl and voila! Right back in the top 25 like always.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 15, 2012 11:35 a.m.

    toosmartforyou

    I liked the black uniforms, very sharp looking, and wouldn't mind seeing BYU wear them again, occassionally, and, I plan on getting a black jersey to wear to the next black out, which was fun.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 15, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    Despite the whiny naysayers, BYU has a chance, which is encouraging, considering the Cougars are playing the #5-ranked team in one of the most historic venues in all of college sports.

    Go Cougs!

    BYU 24
    ND 21

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    I had an interesting conversation last night with my in-laws (die hard BYU fans). My grandfather in-law (in his late 60's) mentioned how disgusted he is with the BYU football program and how they are years away from being a national title contender. My father in law (late 40's) argued that they are just a QB away from 10 win seasons against the tougher competiton they now face. My 3 brother in laws (age 16-22) all seemed fairly satisfied with how things are going this season and one even stated he likes Nelson's style of play.

    From my standpoint this showed that the more distant each generation is getting from 1984 the lower the expectations are for the entire football program. Is this a pretty common pattern anyone else has noticed? I am not trying to bash BYU, I am just curious.

    BTW the utah fans are the exact opposite, the younger generations think Utah is terrible this year,and are completely unsatisfied, while the older generations are generally happy with getting bowl eligible in the PAC 12.

  • bslack Draper, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    Wow Broom Hockey! Really, only a few plays away from an undefeated season. How about the if the 15 to 20 other passes that should have been picked off from Riley and Taysom that were not or the FG missed by BSU and Utah. Wake-up and take the blue glasses off. This team is average at best. Our defense is pretty strong, but the offense stinks. The OC is weak, the offensive line is bad, we have an average at best D-1 quarterback. The good is that Williams is developing as a good RB and we have good to great receivers. The DB's need to toughen up and Sorensen is always trying to make the great play and is out of position. When he is in position he likes to take cheap shots and gets penalties for late hits or leading with his helmet. This team is lucky to have a winning record at this point. We need to get much better. ND should win by 21 unless BYU improves dramatically by Saturday. Not close to being undefeated.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    Broom Hockey Champ

    I think the Cougars are going to sneak up on ND and beat them in front of their own fans!

    NO They're NOT. Notre Dame is a much better team.

    Don't use the word IF, a few plays are a part of the whole game. BYU is bad, Utah is bad, we all have to accept our teams move on and hope they can get better.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Scottsdale, AZ
    Oct. 15, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    Funny thing is we are only a few plays away from an undefeated season.

    If we execute on the 2-point conversion against BSU. If we make the FG against the hill. If Hill isn't hurt and we make a few more plays against the Beavers.

    I think the Cougars are going to sneak up on ND and beat them in front of their own fans!

    BYU 17 ND 13

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 15, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    NightOwlAmerica
    Attention, let's end the outrage Utesie fans, we should go back to the mountain west and play WAC teams so as not to be the perennial doormat of the Pac 12.

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    Oct. 15, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    Best of luck to the Cougars this Saturday. Not much chance for a win with Riley at the helm though. I like Riley, pretty much everyone likes Riley. He is not hated as some would like to portray. Tremendous competitor, athelete, great guy, etc, etc. Only problem is he is a safety playing in the QB position. Not his fault, he gives his all on the field. Too bad Bronco can't see that his talents have been misused. Riley's scrambles for occasional first downs are nice but you can't recover as a team from multiple picks, fumbles, and umpteen poor passes during the course of a game against quality competition. It was amazing to watch what the second string OSU QB was able to do with his precision passes. Obviously he is talented as well as well coached. Emphasis on the well coached. Shades of bygone days at BYU. Luckily Doman was trying to protect Riley more with his playcalling for this game resulting in 24 points instead of the usual 6.

  • SoUtBoy25 Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    Love the bandwagon cougar fans, especially the win at all cost fans. I would just as soon have them move to a bought and paid for national powerhouse school that don't mind lying, stealing and cheating a little bit for a chance at a championship. As for the Cougars, as long as they are giving their best, doing it the right way, and being competitive. From what I've seen so far the Cougars have been competitive in every game.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 15, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    Attention BYU fans.

    It's time to end this outrage. Demand that BYU schedule more games with Idaho, New Mexico St, Weber St. and other cream puffs to guarantee a 10 win season!

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 9:11 a.m.

    We will need a true miracle and it won't come from Riley. Still, I am a Cougar and will be screaming my head off in support while they are on the field. I'd hope they would at least try to make us all proud.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    I'm technically a Catholic although I haven't been inside any church in years.

    But this weekend my faith is restored in the Irish and Touchdown Jesus

    Notre Dame 47
    byu 10

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Oct. 15, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    In my sincerest sympathetic way, let me issue a preemptive OUCH. ND by 35.

    BYU fans might want to pray the rosary.....

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 8:19 a.m.

    Enough already. Holmoe needs to fire Bronco and bring in a real leader.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 15, 2012 8:11 a.m.

    Unfortunately, Utah teams can no longer beat the better teams. Both Utah and BYU beat up on the little schools, but get pounded by the better schools. I would love to see BYU knock them off, but it aint gonna happpen.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Oct. 15, 2012 8:10 a.m.

    Ok, the reality is that it looks like my beloved Cougars have a slim to no chance against the Irish. However, here's my fantasy for this weekend...BYU somehow escape with a win, Utah tops Oregon St., and the Aggies continues to roll in the WAC. If that happens, it'll be so sweet. We redeem ourselves, the Utes can be proud because they did beat us and it'll reflect well on their strength of schedule, and thus a measure of respectability is restored to the Utah schools. I know is more like a pipe dream but I think anything can happen.

    Go Cougars! And good luck to the Utes and Aggies too!

  • Parkite1 Park City, UT
    Oct. 15, 2012 7:04 a.m.

    Soon to be 4-13 against ranked opponents under Bronco's mediocre leadership. No excuses against Oregon St., the defense was exposed especially #6 Jordan Johnson. Bronco why didn't you bench him and bring in his backup, or isn't there someone else who can provide better cover? Wasn't Jordan Johnson responsible to giving up 2 or was it 3 TD's? Sure would have been nice too to give Lark achance? Well just a shame the Cougs aren't 6-1 like they should be. Oh well until Holmoe replaces Bronco with someone who believes winning is #1 even though it isn't stipulated in the contract the football team will never return to national prominence like it was under Lavell's leadership.

  • rafinsure Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00
    Oct. 15, 2012 7:01 a.m.

    Well, the positive point is that after Notre Dame, there's only one more real game and its on to the cream puffs (Hopefully!). San Jose State though is playing relatively well though and they did score 27 points against Utah State.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Oct. 15, 2012 5:53 a.m.

    Would love to see BYU for once get really pumped up to play top level competition, rather than being nervous, unsure and mistake-prone. As long as Riley is QB, we will always make stupid mistakes. What is it about our guys that they can't be fed up enough to really play tough??

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 10:44 p.m.

    BYU by 30.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 8:15 p.m.

    Chances are not very good for a Cougar victory. However, as far as I'm concerned, this Saturday we are all Cougars.

    Go BYU.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 8:13 p.m.

    The first item that will be different from last week is the lack of the silly black uniforms. Get the "black-out" hokeyness out of the game (and the blue smurf turf) and settle into playing quality football.

    Another question that seems to have been answered with a huge NO is "Will we see Lark play?" That is difficult for me to understand, since Riley gave up a turnover when BYU could have taken the lead, gave up a turnover with a pick-six that sealed the defeat, and threw another one when he should have chucked the ball out-of-bounds....Riley is back to being "Riley".... and threw to Apo's kness and feet, too.

    Funny that after getting a field goal and successful PAT's, the punter shanked a couple of punts when there was NO rush by the defense.

    It was a great game, very entertaining, through 3 quarters. Maybe we can get 4 quarters this week, if the defense goes back to the basics and doesn't get faked out of their shoes (#6) and the offense can catch the ball (#82). I guess anyone can have a bad day, as observed.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 14, 2012 7:56 p.m.

    Notre Dame and T'eo are going to lambast, destroy, trounce, take out back of the wood shed, etc. the Cougars, This will not be pretty. Riley may not make it out of the game alive.

  • aunt lucy Looneyville, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 5:51 p.m.

    Can you say "butt kicking". Without a quality quarterback BYU has no chance in this game.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Oct. 14, 2012 5:50 p.m.

    Oh no. Normally I would be looking forward to our playing such a powerhouse. But this year, I cannot bear to watch the creaming of my beloved Cougars. I wish next year would come quickly.