tandj--"I will repeat what I said about Idaho. They made a wise decision in
leaving the PAC if that decision was in fact there decision and not the decision
of the PAC to boot them."Idaho was never in, "The PAC",
as we've known it....They were in the original PCC which was disbanded in
the late '50s....Heck, Montana was even in the original-version of this
conference.Nah, PAC-12 bottom-dweller w/b byu going 1-2 this year
against our conference, w/their only win against WSU at home in their very first
game transitioning into Coach ML's new-system....I doubt the same result
w/h happened had WSU-byu played later in the year.Face it, reality
has hit the byu-fanbase especially hard this year, w/the slight step-up in SOS
[although byu's SOS currently ranks #65 nationally, whereas UTAH's
ranks at #6, and byu's will take a serious hit come November].I
love being a BCS School and take our initial-struggles in stride as we
transition/adjust [i.e., DEPTH, WEEK IN, WEEK OUT GRIND, etc.]....Enjoy it while
it lasts, byu-fans.
I'm a huge BYU fan. But c'mon cougar fans, leave the Utes alone. If
you're not paying attention BYU is not playing any better. In my
opinion you should only post here if you are correcting a Chris B prediction or
mis-quote. Pls stop accusing the Utes as "celler dwellers".
As I've said before, if BYU were in the Big12, what would be their win loss
I'm with you Spokane ... bottom line, there's a lot of jealousy from
the boys in blue. They don't seem to understand that arguing things like
whether or not the U should have walked away from an offer to join the Pac-12,
simply expose their jealousy and nothing else. I think we call this grasping at
We got our money. We don't care if we never win a game in the Pac.
Football or basketball. It is all about the money. No more hiding in the MWC
and then throwing together a good game plan for the bowl game like in years
past. At least tickets are going to be cheaper when the football team tanks for
a couple of years. Wait they can't lower ticket prices because it costs
more money to be in the Pac? What?
Motor BikeYou are spot on, I think TJ wants to argue, but I have no
idea what about? He seems to think that after less than 2 seasons, that the Utes
will always be at the bottom of the PAC 12. It's a good thing Arizona and
Arizona State didnt' think that way. Also, there was some obscure reference
comparing Utah to Idaho. Utah is about to collect over $45 million in TV revenue
in the next 3 years. Why in the world would any Utah fan ever consider or want
the Utes to leave the PAC 12? I doens't make any sense to me; especially
knowing that a little over one year is quite different than forever.
Motorbike, are you saying that the administration at the U is so autonomous that
someone with good sense could not express themselves without the danger of being
fired? Well, maybe when RES is less than half filled in the next couple of
years, they will wish that they had listened to those having good sense. Like I
say, I hope you all enjoy your years of being bottom dwellers in the PAC.
TJ,"Am I bitter that the U is in the PAC? No, not really. I just
wish they had had enough sense to say nay. Am I bitter that BYU is not in the
PAC. Certainly not. Hope they continue making wise decisions."Had ANYONE with authority at the U would've said "nay" to the
Pac-12 offer, they'd be fired and probably never have a similar job
again.You either know this but are just trying to argue with people
to the bitter end, or you are severely out of touch.
Hey U 90, you have not slowed down yet. Let your mind catch up with your written
comments. They may then make much better sense. You see, you have no more
justification for accusing me of being a closet cougar any more than I would
have of accusing you of being a closet anything. Am I really a BYU fan? Not any
more than I am U fan or a Weber State fan or a Utah State fan. I appreciate
following them all. But, as I said before, I am not all that happy seeing the U
as a bottom dweller in the PAC, especially with the anticipation that they are
going to be a continuous bottom dweller of that league. You may be happy with
that, but I am not. Am I bitter that the U is in the PAC? No, not really. I just
wish they had had enough sense to say nay. Am I bitter that BYU is not in the
PAC. Certainly not. Hope they continue making wise decisions.
Spokane Ute, it would be nice if you took a deep breath and slowed down a little
like I suggested to U 90. If you would slow down a little, your mind might be
able to catch up with your written comments so that they would make more sense.
It is sad that I have to point out to you that I never compared the U to the
Univ. of Idaho. I could care less how many Idaho players went on to the NFL or
how many bowl games they have attended, or if any of them were a B(ull)CS bowl.
If there is anyone out of their element here it is someone accusing someone else
of making illogical comparisons. I will repeat what I said about Idaho. They
made a wise decision in leaving the PAC if that decision was in fact there
decision and not the decision of the PAC to boot them. You appear to be wearing
a big chip on your shoulder. Is that possibly because your Utes are dwelling at
the bottom of the PAC?
Oh he's blue alright.
TJ,So what you're saying is that you are a closet cougar. You
went to Utah but really you are a BYU fan at heart and you are bitter that Utah
is in the PAC12 and BYU is not.What real Utah fan wants to leave the
PAC12 to join a lesser conference so they can ensure a couple more wins each
season. That makes no sense
Hmmmm, let's compare the number of NFL players (former and current) by
state: Utah = 107 vs Idaho = 59. Also, when's the last time Idaho won a BCS
bowl? Comparing Utah to Idaho, in football, is like comparing UCLA to Idaho
State. Not even on the same planet. It appears that someone is way out of there
element on this thread.
TandJ"I was in the marching band at the U, and thus have attended many
games on the Hill"That explains a lot about your position and
post. For starters, this is the second year in the PAC 12. The Utes finished 4-5
in the league last year and were one of 2 teams to win a bowl. They are exactly
3 games into conference play this year. Idaho? Wow, someone sure doesn't
know college football. Stick to music, sports isn't your bag. For an alum,
you sure come accross as being Blue!
Part 2Grosscup, Nofsinger, Vaughn and the kid from Rigby, Idaho all played
in the NFL, and the kid that I cannot remember his name is in the NFL Hall of
Fame. It all worked pretty well back then, and we were relatively happy. I
don't know, maybe you will be happy as a bottom dweller in the PAC. I
really don't think too many Utah fans will be.
Hey U 90, slow down just a bit to perhaps U 60, but did you notice that I am a U
alumnus. Never attended BYU nor have I ever gone to a football game at BYU. I
was in the marching band at the U, and thus have attended many games on the
Hill. Now, is Utah as bad as I say. I don't really know exactly how bad
they are, but I do know that they are celler dwellers in the PAC, and also
knowing Utah fans, their stadium will look depleted if that condition continues
(and in my own humble opinion, it will as long as they are in the PAC). I kinda
like both BYU and the U. I would like to see them both win occasionally and also
expect them to lose occasionally. But, I am not too fond of being forever in the
bottom of whatever league or schedule the two teams have. I go back to the
Grosscup, Vaughn, Nofsinger and a kid from Rigby Idaho (can't remember his
name right now. (will continue in part 2).
TJFunny you mention Idaho in your post... they're on your
team's schedule not ours. BYU is much closer to the Idaho program than
Utah is.You do understand how ridiculous you and the other haters
look by talking trash against Utah when your team is getting absolutely owned by
the Utes, right. Every dig on the Utes by a Y fan creates a deeper hole for you
to climb out of. If Utah is as bad a you say, then BYU must be horrible, right?
24-21 ring a bell? How about 54-10?Keep posting TJ, the buffoonery
is quite entertaining.
CougFaninTXLets insert BYU in your post and see how it comes out....
Will the Cougars rebound by beating New Mexico State, Idaho and San
Jose State to prove they are a middle of the road Indy conference team and make
it to a bowl game? Or will BYU continue to struggle and end up at the bottom
with the other Indy cellar dwellers Army and Navy?Your smack talk is
weak because BYU is no better than Utah. You do realize that Utah's has
scoreboard on your Cougars for the last 3 years, right? Try again Tex
Hey, Spokane Ute, you really are having a little trouble with that new song at
the U. I know, its that part about "I am a cellar dweller" isn't
it? I really think all the members of that classy fan base at the U, of which
you are apparenlty a part of, are going to have a very hard time getting along
with the same portion of the song. But, unfortunately, I think they are going to
have to learn to like it or simply get used to it. Perhaps the second part of
the song (as long as we are in the PAC) will influence someone in charge at the
U and give their classy fan base a break by leaving the PAC, or possibly the U
will simply get kicked out of the PAC. Idaho comes to mind, but I truthfully
cannot remember if it was their good sense to leave or if they got booted. And
to think, I am a U alumnus.
I agree with Qwest. Utah needs to clean up the stupid penalties, get White/York
more carries and win the turnover battle. If/when they do, they'll win -
almost regardless of the opponent.If Kyle wants to go bowling this year I
thought it was dumb to start Wilson against UCLA. Utah had already taken
positive steps forward with Hays against USC. Continuity at that point is what I
believe would've gotten us that win. Instead we saw BJ trying to figure out
what plays to call for Wilson for the first 3 quarters.That said, the
future is Wilson and he'll now have a chance to grow into his role more
quickly. I hope he can stay healthy and learn quickly from mistakes. While Hays
has made his share of bone-headed mistakes, I don't believe he would have
attempted the throw that Wilson attempted which resulted in an interception.
Wilson had no intention of ever going anywhere else with that ball even though
two defenders were draped all over our receiver from the start of the play. That
turnover and Kruger's neutral zone penalty likely cost Utah the game.Go Utes! Upset OSU!
Nice to see the classy BYU fans so concerned about our program. It sure
doesn't say much for there fan base; now does it?
How come Chrissy never comments over here? hmmm
Hey, Cougfan, I hear that Chris B is already up on the Hill teaching the
students the new version of their song. Goes something like, I am a cellar
dweller and will be as long as we are in the PAC.
Will the Utes rebound and prove they are a middle of the PAC team, and make it
to the New Mexico bowl? Or will U continue to struggle and end up with the
cellar dwellers - Washington State and Colorado?
QwestYou are spot on. They are close to winning, but they can not
continue to make dumb mistakes. The offense really needs to put points on the
board. You are not going to win in the PAC 12 when your offense puts up a 7
Seems like each week the Utes improve in a few areas - they just need to put it
all together and play a complete game on both sides of the ball. One
thing that would help immediately is to cut down on the stupid penalties.
Whether its lining up offsides, or a bad timed hold on a 3rd down and short the
Utes have been killing themselves this year.It was odd timing to
throw Wilson into his first start on the road at the Rose Bowl but he seemed to
grow up fast and the Utes ended up with more passing yards than they have had in
all games that Hays started. Hays also made a great throw when he was
needed.Last year the Utes relied on John White to win and for some
reason they aren't getting him the ball enough the last few games. The O
line has gotten better and they seem to be protecting and opening holes. With
Wihite and York, the Utes need to have more of a balanced attack. Like I said,
I think they will be ok if they can put it all together for a complete game.Go Utes!