Do it. Do it now. We need to stop pretending fossil fuels are going to last
As a resident of the area, I have no problem as long as I can't see them.
There's the rub
You're not allowed to gripe about energy prices or claim to embrace the
'drill, baby' philosophy unless you also agree that energy exploration
may occur within sight of your house. It's the apex of hypocrisy to expect
as much cheap energy as we need or want as long as it's extraction affects
someone else but not us. I don't care if you can see wind turbines from
your home, or me from mine. I don't care if we have a power line, road,
pipeline, rail line, sour gas well or strip mine within sight of my house. I
don't care because all these things belong in someone elses' back
yard. I'm someone else. We all are.
Take a trip to Oregon. Take a trip to Calif. Drive around. Listen to the people
who live near the wind farms. Listen to them as they explain the amount of
electricity the wind farms generate. Observe and learn.Then do some
thinking about it.
So they might be near the Monticello Temple. Who cares? There are skyscrapers
rising right next to the Salt Lake Temple in a much more imposing and disruptive
way, and I don't think anyone claims that the Monticello Temple is more
architecturally significant, and therefore worthy of an unimpeded horizon, than
the Salt Lake Temple.Other temples surrounded by much taller and
more dominant structures: Manhattan, Recife Brazil, Guatemala City, Madrid
Spain, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Taipei, Copenhagen Denmark, Frankfurt Germany, and
many, many more.
But aren't these the same people who love oil wells?What's
the difference between looking lovingly at an oil well and a windmill?Hypocrisy?
Wind and solar cannot solve our energy needs, because they simply don't
generate enough electricity to make a real dent. Nuclear power is what will
really replace coal and oil. It is clean, and it won't have any of the
problems like this wind farm. There are new Nuclear Power technologies that are
solving all the issues of many current nuclear reactor designs.So rather
than screaming "radiation!" educate yourself and join the cause! :-)The liquid fluoride thorium reactor is one of the many designs to which
I am referring. (Look it up on google. It wouldn't post with the URL in
there for some reason).
Just imagine you get married and you take your pictures outside the temple. You
can have those nice windmills poking into your pictures forever. Pretty classy
if you ask me.
Just forget this idea of wind power. They don't generate enough electricity
to justify the energy required to manufacture and maintain them. Don't
build them because they are a worse use of natural resources than burning fossil
Take a tour of the wind farm near Milford where there are hundreds. They are
impressive, but hardly an eyesore. Do it. I haven't been to Monticello yet.
A wind farm would give me one more reason to go, not to stay away. They are not noisy, but hardly silent. More wind energy is good. I
would like more base energy from geothermal power.
While this all seems so nice and non-threatening the secret has nothing to do
with generating energy but making money. The turbines are built with the company
paying half, the Feds paying half through tax benefits, energy substitutes. The
company writes off the towers over 5 years, then sell them to anther company to
again wrote them off over 5 years. Because of the administrations energy
policies pushing wind, it's very profitable even without generating 1 watt.
Residents in the area of these 500 ft towers notice a constant hum, a ground
vibration when the towers are moving. Drivers in areas with towers become
disorientated as a result of the shadows moving accross the roads, residents in
affected homes have to deal with shadows on walls, floors, carpets, drapes, that
cause vertigo. Residents in rural New York state thought bringing in wind would
be a great way to replace the lost dairy industry, they now wish they
hadn't taken the $5000 to have their land used, the cities the $1000/yr tax
benefit. Do some research, it's not the great deal you might think, not to
mention fires, thrown blades that can be deadly.
How much impact would the wind farm have on the local economy? Perhaps
Monticello could become a leader in green energy production and use. This state
sure needs some leaders right now.
Funny how many people are influenced by the oil industry propaganda. Electric
power lines are ugly and no one complains about them. Inversion pollution is
ugly and harms your health. How sad and silly to hold tightly to outmoded,
outgoing technology when there is a better way.
Wind is clean and it is renewable. If we mine coal, in several years the coal
mine is depleted, not so with wind. We need to start transitioning to renewable
forms of energy.I use electricity, I appreciate electricity,
therefore I ought not oppose the means of production of electricity, especially
wind which is among the most benign forms of electricity production. I believe
that those who oppose wind power and are not close enough to hear the turbines
sound, are either short sighted or selfish or both.Similarly with
cell phones, I really appreciate mine, therefore it doesn't make much sense
that I would oppose cell phone towers.
@SundanceKid27"Just imagine you get married and you take your
pictures outside the temple. You can have those nice windmills poking into your
pictures forever. Pretty classy if you ask me."Well, I got
married in the Salt Lake Temple and I've got the Wells Fargo building
poking into my pictures forever. It may not be "classy" but it
didn't ruin my day then and it's not ruining my memories now.Every wedding picture is going to have something in the background, and unless
you got married in the middle of the jungle or on a deserted island,
there's going to be something in the background and it's probably
man-made...so I'm not sure what your point is.
Can you string Christmas lights on them? Just wondering?
@SundanceKid27: ever hear of Photoshop? now that real film is no longer used
and it's all done digital, taking out those windmills would be childsplay,
and I do mean that litterally!
re SundanceKid27OREM, UT-----There are several
commercially available photo editing programs available. If you don't like
those windmills in your wedding pics, it is possible to take them out of the
picture.On the other hand, I have always enjoyed seeing pictures of
Holland and its windmills. If I visited Holland I would make it a point to go
see them. I actually did make it a point to go see the wind mills in Spanish
Fork (Utah). We rented a motel room and went and saw the wind mills, it was a
rather nice mini vacation.America has different a different type of
windmill, but those are quite interesting to see too.
Lightening Lad (Austin , TX) lists about 20 mostly irrational objections to wind
turbines, mostly laughable.We all know the real reason there are no
wind or solar farms in Texas - Big Oil owns the state and its politicians.Look, the technology has been around for 30 years, but it has not been
economically viable to pursue these alternative energy goals. Now that there
are companies willing to do them, we should encourage it. But not with federal
subsidies. If the market is ready for it, let the companies who stand to make
windmill - er - windfall profits foot the bill.
I wish I could get one in my back yard, as long as I can get away from paying
the local energy provider for my power usage for the rest of my life.
Wind farms have the capacity to produce 2.5% of US power requirements. They
actually produce significantly less than that due to wind fluctuations. To me,
wind farms are a terrific eye sore. No matter how many wind farms you build you
will always need an alternate source of reliable energy (natural gas, coal or
nuclear). Its seems a shame to pollute the landscape of the most beautiful area
(so utah) on earth.
The NIMBY syndrome is alive, well and prospering. Everyone wants "clean"
energy as long as it's in someone else's backyard. It would not be
surprising if some of those so vocally opposed to the wind farm also squeal the
loudest about development of oil and natural gas reserves. We can't have it
both ways, folks. If we want more energy we have to tolerate the occasional
proverbial goring of the ox.
@ HutteriteSince when are you the "complaint police" that
gets to decide policy when someone can complain and when they can't? Just
because you don't agree with one person's opinion doesn't make
them forfeit the right to express it. Have you never embraced the idea of
"free speech" or is it only allowed if you agree with it?There will always be those against something and those in favor of something
regardless of the cost or benefits. But you don't care about visual
pollution? Fine. Others, however, might and they are allowed to express that,
What is the return on investment on a single windmill? How much is the upfront
cost and how much energy cost is saved from a windmill.BTW........by
in large, those who favor windmills in their countryside are those farmers who
earn tons of money from their placement on their land.
@ one old manI hope you feel better this morning after calling
people with a different view than yours hypocrties. Have a good day, sir.
Most wind turbines aren't even profitable and cost more to build and
operate than the energy they generate. I don't know if this is the case
with Monticello, but federal tax dollars are often flushed down the drain with
wind farm subsidies.Monticello, don't sell your magnificent
skyline to the wind farm folks unless you absolutely know for sure it's a
good investment....and your actually willing to look at those monsters everyday.
You decide if you like the way it looks. Don't let anyone who stands to
profit from the project tell you that "you'll get used to it". I
know some of you care for sheep but don't be one!If the Hole in
the Rock pioneers could have only seen what was coming....
@Sneaky JimmyThere are tens of thousands of acres of very windy
lands in Arizona and across the west that are far from any cities and towns.
Wind farms would be great for such areas since those lands are used almost
exclusively for growing tumble weeds and grasshoppers. They also provide
essential dirt tracks for bikers and other all terrain vehicles who tear up and
destroy the landscape, changing it into the beautiful eyesore it is today. What
a sight it makes from a passing airplane! My vote would be to turn lots of that
windy land into wind farms. They must be productive and cost efficient if they
are still building them. The capacity argument of 2.5% you mention is silly at
best. If you quadruple the farms, you quadruple the capacity, don't you?
It wouldn't take much to quadruple it since there is so little of it today.
Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Nevada, and Oklahoma have bazillions of
windy acres of land.
I was informed that many of our power plants operate at about 30% capacity
because the transmission grid is inadequate to have them operate at a higher
rate. Are there transmission lines already in place for this proposed wind farm
or have they yet to be constructed? And if they need to be beefed up to carry
the new amount of generated electricity, who's going to be first in line to
have the new transmission line go next to their home?Didn't we
read recently where St. George City embraced a solar farm, only to have it go
bust in terms of investment and now their citizens are stuck paying for it?
UTOPIA also comes to mind in regards to communities jumping at a "great
investment idea for the future" that just somehow folds into a huge debt.
Too Smart -- It's only hypocrisy when they contradict themselves.
Three questions:* Where were these windmills made?* Are
American companies doing the installation?* How is this benefiting the
American economy?Much of the stimulus money from a few years ago,
went to China, Japan, and Australia,-for windmill farms in Texas. We could use
the jobs here.
I agree with jtx why should we pay some one to make money for them selfs?
I'm a conservative. And I can't even stand wind farms.These things wouldn't have survived if it weren't for tax payers
supporting them.Also, at any time, 30% of these wind mills are broke
Why don't we build windmills in the hahbah, by the Kennedy's, since
they're the ones who love alternative energy so much?
Any migratory birds pass through the area?
azresident,Good point. Windmill farms would violate the rights of
migrating birds just like Alaskan oil drilling does for the polar bear, and
cutting lumber violated the home rights of the spotted owl.Wonder
why EPA is not on this yet.
Meanwhile -- The "Brethern" in SLC have started having us
built eco-friendly meeting houses.Our new Stake Center is covered
with Solar Panels.I think the "Lord" is telling us to Choose
The Right, when a choice is placed before you...
J-TX, you failed to take on those 20 points I listed and your sweeping
generalization that they are false carries no weight either. Solar cannot
generate electricity because it can't get hot enough to bring water to a
boil producing steam which then drives turbines. All generation works on the
principle in forcing those turbines to spin with dam releases, steam from
nuclear super heated water, burning oil, natural gas etc I have been on-site in
Calif and New York, home base in TX has nothing to do with it, oil is not burned
to produce electricity. Wind is ineffective but financially rewarding, check out
the info for yourself, yet it cannot put the local coal fired power plant out of
business since wind is INTERMITTANT and people expect to turn up the heat or
light and have power right now, so the coal fired plant stays in business
causing the worst type of pollution, but it's cheap something that sells in
Utah. Do some Google-ing about the money angle which is key here, if you have
Netflix search Wind documentary, Dozens of New York farmers were interviewed on
the negative effects of wind.
@ J-TX in Allen TX... You're quite mistaken. Here are the wind generated
power stats for the top 5 states: Texas (10,929 MW) Iowa
(4,570 MW) California (4,536 MW) Oregon (3,153 MW)
Illinois (3,055 MW)
Wait til they are up and you will love the noise and vibration both. Higher
winds will block much of the noise but lower winds will have those within 3-4
miles think they are hearing trains running all the time the blades are turning.
Add in the grinding of the gear noise and you have a miserable experience.Putting them up is interesting but the traffic will get tiresome. That ends
but the night sky with all the blinking lights will drive you nuts. Sunrise and
sunsets and clear views will be ruined. Where will the power be used?