Joe Biden was very rude, disrespectful and condescending. I thought the
moderator was accommodating him to do so, by allowing him to constantly
interrupt Ryan's points he was attempting to make. It was a real turn-off
for this independent.
Nobody votes for the VP anyway, do they?
Both were strong on issues but thanks to Jo for laughing while serious issues
such as Iran, Libya, economy, healthcare, etc were discussed. No wonder why the
Obama Administration had been a failure - they are a joke according to Jo! Too
bad the strong showing of Mr. Jo will be forgotten when images of his childish
behavior during the debate dominate the discussions for days to come.
Rather than slam Paul Ryan because of his lies, Joe was laughing at Ryan's
outrageous statements.Many observers felt that was quite a creative way
for Joe to handle the situation.
@no fit in SGActually, Biden is getting panned in the media for
laughing and interrupting so much. I don't think he came off very well on
the split screen. He looked arrogant rather than confident.
Before the debate my opinion of Joe Biden was about a 1.5 out of 10. After the
debate it sunk to a -5. In all my life in watching political debates I have
never seen a more embarrassing and down right weird display than what the
"show" smil'en, smirk'en Joe put on tonight. This was coached
and purposeful and it was disgusting and demeaning! What a complete
embarrassment it is to have this phony as VP. Cutting Ryan off , laughing out
loud, smirking and gesturing like a 10 year old kid.I think this just
underscores how shallow and sophomoric team Obama is and even worse how
insulting to Americans watching!! Throw out integrity because sadly this
administration has ZERO!! If someone talked to you this way you would simply
walk away and consider the guy as a complete jerk. On substance I found it quite
scary but not surprising that Biden claimed total ignorance about the Embassy
attack being a terror attack and then lied about never being asked for more
security. What a disgusting display from "side show Joe" and what an
even more pathetic response from team Obama!! Can you believe these guys???
Good heavens. Romney talked over the moderator and bullied his way through the
first debate and you guys couldn't praise him enough. Meanwhile, Biden was
"rude and arrogant" for sounding beating Ryan.Way to stay
@KJB1,I'll say it again on a different article, Biden
didn't soundly beat anyone! According to EVERY source, it was as close as
you can get to a draw! Your inferences are simply opinion. Also,
check your spelling before you post, thanks!
Mr. Biden did a good job displaying the true colors of this administration.He was rude, arrogant, and condescending. Those things, plus the fact
that he fibbs a lot are representative qualities of this administration.He confirmed what we already knew.
To t702 10:50 p.m. Oct. 11, 2012Both were strong on issues but
thanks to Jo for laughing while serious issues such as Iran, Libya, economy,
healthcare, etc were discussed. No wonder why the Obama Administration had been
a failure - they are a joke according to Jo! Too bad the strong showing of Mr.
Jo will be forgotten when images of his childish behavior during the debate
dominate the discussions for days to come.---------------------The Vice President wasn't laughing at the issues. He was laughing
at his opponent's mendacious and ridiculous attempts to spread malarky
(lies) all over the debate. Joe Biden had the accurate facts and figures, and
expressed them well; Ryan just had baloney. The Vice President had accurate
facts and figures; Ryan just had malarky and fluff (he couldn't be direct
or specific about anything). The Vice President could have wasted all his time
calling Ryan out for his duplicity; instead he did it by laughing at Ryan's
attempts to spread the stuff.Good job, Mr. Vice President.
didn't watch much of the debate, but what I did see of Biden was typical of
EVERY BO campaign ad I've seen - lie about Romney and don't say
ANYTHING about what you will do to fix things. and they say Romney is light on
The clearest message of the evening is that these are desperate times for
Both Romney and Ryan refused to give specifics how they would solve the problems
of un-employment and reducing the deficit. Our country has suffered because of
the tax cut for the rich and 2 unfunded wars. Ryan himself requested stimulus
money for Wisconsin. Both refuse to admit that Romney's signature
achievement while Governor was "Romneycare" for Massachusetts. I liked
Biden's remark "Do you want us to start another war in the Mideast"
when Ryan said that Obama is weak on defense.Based on watching both
debates, I as a Republican and my wife as an Independent plan to vote for Barack
If I had been debating lyin' Ryan I would have been far less polite then
Biden was creepy when he laughed about serious topics like our citizens being
murdered and terrorism. Anytime topics got uncomfortable his tell was that he
was all smiles and laughter.
Romney vs Biden debating style reaction by readers of DN: It's only wrong
if you're not a republican.
"The Vice President wasn't laughing at the issues. He was laughing at
his opponent's mendacious and ridiculous attempts to spread malarky (lies)
all over the debate." Couldn't have said it better..so I won't.
It was like watching an adult (Biden) debate and eight year old (Ryan). Ryan
was ridiculous and deserved to be mocked. Watchng him try and deliniate the
difference between supporting the 2014 Afghan, withdrawl, and not supporting the
withdrawl, watching him support the Iranian sanctions and cricticizing them
while not being willing to say they wanted a war, watching him criticize the
administration for listening to the intelligence community concerning Lybia yet
at the same time not offering any evidence that's not what intelligence was
saying (remember this is the same intelligence community that said there were
weapons of mass destruction)etc. etc. was in fact laughable.
I see where Sean Hannity called Biden a drunk, Hannity owes the people of the
United States and the Veep an apology.iden won it, not that it matters much.
On substance Biden won the debate, on Style it was a draw. Conservatives can
take heart that in four years Ryan can run for President, but he won't be
doing it as the Vice President.
My friend biden failed to show leadership. Unless you consider interrupting,
rolling your eyes, and making faces during a serious discussion leadership. If
you do then the current regime is the regime for you.Congressman
Paul Ryan was courteous allowed "my friend" biden to state his comments
and made up facts. Unfortunately "my friend" biden didn't give
Congressman Paul Ryan the same respect.People are trying to compare
President Candidate Mitt Romney and regime dictator obama to "my friend"
biden and Congressman Paul Ryan debate. The difference is this. Mitt asked for
his turn from the moderator, something the moderator kept cutting Mitt off while
giving barack all of time he needed and even helped clarify for our regime
leader comments he made.For claiming Mitt took all of the time,
barack spoke 4 minutes longer than Mitt. When the debate started barack opened,
followed by Mitt, back to barack, back to Mitt, back to barack and then the
moderator said lets move on. Mitt said he wanted to respond and it is his turn.
Mitt was correct the moderator didn't control the time. He should have
stopped barack & mitt when time ran out for them.Buthedidn't.
Joe Biden and the Samuel Jackson video give us a an insight into the dominant
culture that is taking over in this country. It just keeps getting uglier and
uglier. Style - not substance - is what this debate emphasized. It is time for
decent family oriented Democrats to denounce their party and either leave it or
Why bring up the abortion issue CNN? Both parties agree, a woman won't
go to jail for one.
Grow up, is my advice to the critics of Biden for smiling or making faces as
some are putting it. Last week in Denver, Obama was criticized for looking away
or scowling. Al Gore sighed too much in 2000, George H.W. Bush looked at his
wristwatch in 1992, etc. Thank heaven there were no TV cameras at the
Lincoln/Douglas debate to catch a yawn or a frown.Instead of sniping
at Biden, David Gregory and Piers Morgan should criticize their own profession
for insisting on using the split screen in telecast debates. That unavoidably
makes both candidates simultaneous players at all times. In moviemaking, they
call that stealing the scene.
re: patriot 11:30 p.m. Oct. 11Biden, for all his faults (perceived
& actual) is entertaining. Ryan is wound a little too tight. Almost, makes
Willard seem happy go lucky!?Its funny how much time and energy both
parties spend trying to spend to emphasize their how distinct they are. There is
some (but not much). The major factor is not so much what they
believe but how they want to implement policy.re: KJB1 11:51 p.m.
Oct. 11Exactly. But, this is Utah where Mitt's sainthood is in
To FDRfan 8:09 a.m. Oct. 12, 2012Paul Ryan and the far right wing
extremists give us a an insight into the dominant culture that is trying to take
over in this country and impose itself on the country's people whether or
not they want it. It just keeps getting uglier and uglier. Style - not substance
- is what Ryan emphasized. It is time for decent freedom-loving Republicans to
denounce their party and either leave it or change it.
Ms. Raddatz, in a not so subtle way directed the conversation to the VP on many
occasions while cutting off Rep. Ryans answers too often. The debate
commission's effort to find an "invisible" moderator is a failure
by using network "news stars". Instead they should have selected someone
with no media affiliation; these "news" people just cannot leave their
personal agendas at home! The VP's behavior was not unexpected, after all
his foul mouth comments are a national joke and personally I think he sets a
horrible example for the youth of the country. The media may think he
newsworthy and enjoy his remarks but in my view he should not be a
representative of our country.
Nobody's mind was changed in Utah last night.
Mr. Romney set the low bar on the way the candidates are allowed to act in
debate. He treated Jim Lehrer with no respect and acted as though he had never
even seen a debate before; he certainly didn't follow the rules. Jim
Lehrer let him get away with it.Both Biden and Ryan employed the
tactice last night - interrupting each other, interrupting the moderator. At
more than one point, Ryan didn't even allow her to complete asking the
question. Both exhibited less than stellar behavior. It would be
nice to see a debate where the participants actually acted like they were in a
debate. We really need to call them something else.
The debate would have been much more influential, at least on newsprint, if Ryan
had clearly 'won'.
One question that was asked of Ryan, over and over, without an answer, was:
When will Romney/Ryan get unemployment under 6 percent? Why won't they
answer the question? Because they don't know. At least Biden was honest
in saying he doesn't know. Ryan said everything under the sun, avoiding a
direct answer to the question. Folks, Romney/Ryan do not know if or when they
can bring unemployment down.
@no fit in SG Way to be objective! Biden said PLENTY of invalid information
(or "lies," if you will), for instance, when he talked about Ryan
putting two wars on our credit card, Biden voted for both wars as well.Or what about when he said they weren't told that the U.S. Consulate in
Libya wanted more security before the deadly attack? Obama officials testified
the day before yesterday that they indeed had.Or what about Biden
claiming that he and Obama saved General Motors? That was done under Bush.
Obama just continued what Bush started.Or what about Biden's
claim that Romney said, "No, let Detroit go bankrupt?" Romney never
said that. It was a title that somebody put on an opinion piece he wrote in
2008. What he said was that we shouldn't use taxpayer money to bail the
company out, but rather use privately financed bankruptcy restructuring.I can go on and on. Ryan said some things that weren't correct and
Biden said a lot of thing that weren't correct. If you're only going
to point out one side, you're being intellectually dishonest.
For me it wasn't near as telling as the Romney/Obama debate. Biden's
extensive experience from about 100 years in Congress should have given him a
huge advantage but I think Ryan held his own just fine. Biden's endless
laughing and interrupting was extremely annoying, regardless of why he continued
to do it - talking points aside. I'm a little tired of the endless
negativism though and would have appreciated a straight answer from both of them
to that specific question. A little hard to point fingers at the other one
though when you're both guilty of the offense!I didn't
learn much from either one of them. I thought the moderator was much better than
Jim Lerher last week. She re-took control whenever she needed to.The two biggest unanswered questions I came out of the night with were: 1)How
many water refills did they have to sneak in under the table for Ryan, and 2)
How in the world did he drink that much and not have to call time out for a
bathroom break? I had to go 5 times just watching him, and I didn't drink
Ryan said, "The policy of a Romney administration is to oppose
abortion with exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother."
If life begins at conception, why would a life created by rape, incest, or
an infant's life that threatened the life of the mother - why would these
lives be less worthy of protection? Is it the child's fault it was
conceived in a way the Republicans do not approve? And this
position on abortion is NOT the position of the Catholic church!As
you all know, this is the official position on abortion stated by the MORMON
CHURCH.If Mitt Romney wants to alleviate concerns that he will NOT
take his orders from the Mormon headquarters in Salt Lake City, adopting the
Church's stand on abortion - verbatim - is NOT the way to do it.
Backstage following the debate Biden was heard to say "This is an
*expletive* big deal."
"Style - not substance - is what this debate emphasized." What were you
watching? We're leaving Afghnistan in 2014..we support that,except maybe
not. I support my churchs position on abortion but I won't impose it on
anyone else, so I support Roe v Wase..I would eliminate all abortions. I
support the current sanctions on Iran..We also support the sanctions but think
it shows weak leadership....so what would you do different....ah,ah,ah. I
support the ACA and it extends Medicare for another ten years beyond it's
current viability..I would do nothing about the current Medicare, but would
change it in the future to a guaranteed coverage system supported by premium
supports..what if the premium support doesn't cover the costs of premiums,
and the senior can't physically go out and get coverage...ah,ah,ah,.
That's A Good One said: Backstage following the debate Biden was heard to
say "This is an *expletive* big deal."Ever heard Dick Cheney
when he thought the mic was off? Makes biden look like an amateur
After seeing the debate with the tirades of Biden interrupting Paul Ryann almost
once a minute was not professional, courteous or orderly. The VP must have had
the orders from the President to be disruptive for Ryan, which is normal with
his loud voice and snearing smile everytime Ryan attempted to talk.I
believe Ryan is right that Biden didn't speak about their performance and
just blamed everything on his inheritance from President Bush II. They would
have had such a wonderful 4 years except for the budget and economy. He wanted
to be able to spend us into delirium if he had the economy of Hillary's
husband. Well, the one commentator I saw said it was the worst
debate from a Vice President in 40 years and since the moderator was a good
friend of the President, I guess there was no bias on her part. If Biden gets
judged to have been second fiddle with Ryan, I guess their campaign will blame
the moderator as they did with Lehrer last week. It was comforting
to know that Biden believes everything he says. He mentioned that he really
cares for people but his yearly donations are $300.
Can't you just envision Uncle Joe dealing with foreign leaders? He'd
either get too relaxed and say some embarrassingly racist statement or
he'd laugh and smirk at them. Disaster either way.
I have facebook friends from both parties and from all parts of the nation. The
interesting thing I found last night is that all of my female friends who
watched the debate found the Vice President to be very off-putting. Even those
that will definitely vote for Obama made comments about how he was rude and
arrogant and belittling. My male friends were split down party lines, but the
women were consistently annoyed by him regardless of their political
affiliations. I just thought that was interesting.
Joe Biden nailed it! To those who say he was rude and condescending, go watch
Mitt Romney's performance again. Romney repeatedly ran over his time
limit, simply browbeating the ineffective Jim Lehrer into letting him speak. I
found Romney's performance MUCH more obnoxious than anything Biden did.
As I remember, the current President did give a time table for getting
unemployment down to the magic mark. It never happened any where close to that
time frame. And now, to criticize Ryan for not giving a specific date for
getting unemployment below 6 percent? The fact of the matter is, the government
can't create the jobs to reach that point. All they can actually do is
stop keeping the legitimate job creation machine from reaching that point and
they have certainly done all they could to keep real jobs from being created.We can take punches and jabs all we want at people for their opinions
regarding the world, but that is just it - it is there opinion from their
perspective and that on its own should have merit. No two people see things
exactly the same and if they think Ryan was a joke or if they think Biden was
rude - that is their perspective and that is what candidates must confront -
that people across this nation all see it differently.
Last night was a disgrace to see the number two most powerful elected official
in the world to show that kind of diplomacy and relationship with his opponent.
Biden showed the world his kind of nature to give his testimony about his
religion and in the same breath show that he is totally behind killing innocent,
unborn and perfect children. I don't know how he can go to bed at
night.It is that kind of hardness that showed when he talked about
their responsibility for protecting our border and embassy personnel. What a
lack of character and integrity.He could not show or talk about
anything this administration accomplished in four years that is a positive
statement. If you don't move forward with policies, actions and
accomplishments, we move backward as our nation isn't stagnant it is a
moving force. I realized that this administration has moved to
Hollywood in style and actions. The VP read from his script with no deviations
or face the wrath of the famous producer of fiction for our people to see on the
big screen, last night.Reaity is what our people need, no fiction.
Our enemies won last night.
Vice Presidential debates are almost always forgettable. However, this debate
will go down in history as the "Great Smirk Debate." People will
remember that Joe Biden was a jerk.
"Joe Biden nailed it! To those who say he was rude and condescending, go
watch Mitt Romney's performance again."Romney wasn't a
spectacle of eye-rolling, hand gestures, snorts, "malarky", Cheshire cat
giggles and inappropriate laughter: Biden was.There is absolutely no
correlation between Biden and Romney - desperate sore losers simply want to
taint Romney with their own dirt.
first off the commentator was rude and did not treat ryan with respect but yet
she gave respect to biden. second biden was rude, childish, unkind, etc... the
faces he pulled showed he does not really know what he is doing and could not
really respond with maturity and knowledge. ryan was articulate, kind,
intelligent. i hope the country can see that IF obama and biden are reelected
(hoping not) that the country sees if obama is not alive or cannot finish biden
will be the leader. i remember johnson becoming president when kennedy was
murdered and our country suffered in so many ways. please people see what kind
of man biden is NOT and what kind of man ryan IS.
In a debate such as last night, the judges are you and me and the pundits.With the spinning that has gone on for 4-years and with the dismal
performance of our nation, people can debate the debate and it all depends on
what the definition of "is" is. Integrity is supposed to be
the primary job of our President and his VP. We are supposed to trust that they
are doing what we wanted in 4 years of Hope and Change.There is no
way we are better, overall. Significant bills passed in Congress and signed by
the President haven't happened from the budget on down. If a President
can't show success, the people should not vote for that administration,
again, just hoping that it will happen this time. We elect a President for
4-years, not 8-years. Thank goodness. To vote for a person again just to let
them finish what they started without showing positive results would be a crime
for those that only vote for a 4-year President.The Constitution
doesn't promise 8-years to a person. Four years is enough when failure is
imminent for failing ideas. Go USA.
Ulvegaard: Then why doesn't he just say he doesn't know? Just answer
the question honestly. Instead, he spouts of rhetoric, ignoring the question.
Katiebugg:I had a very similar experience with my female friends.
The men seem split, like you said, down party lines, but the women do NOT like
Joe (or at least this latest version of Joe).I wonder if this will
impact the female vote at all. I don't know if the VP debates have much
effect on voting, but I do know that Obama lost 8 points here in California (of
all places) and cut his lead from 22 points to 14 points. I'm not sure how
much of that is due to the debate, the intensely high poverty levels here, or
the crazy gas gouging that's been happening here. It'll be interesting
to see how it all plays out.
Reading this thread only confirms that most people already had their position
set before the debate took place. Conservatives liked Paul Ryan and disliked
Joe Biden.'s performance Liberals liked Joe Biden and disliked Paul
Ryan's performance. It was strictly along partisan lines. So nothing new
can be learned by people's opinions here.What is very evident
is the amount of space dedicated to condeming Biden for his manner and attitude.
However, those not familar with debate skills, one doesn't sit like a lump
on a log and passively listen when the opponent says things which you believe to
be false. It is one thing to debate an issue with facts, but something else
when smoke gets blown and misinformation is introduced to confuse and
manipulate.Nonetheless, the central point here is that all the
opinions expressed were set in stone long before the debate happened. Those who
did not like a particular candidate were more than ready to castigate that
candidate once the debate had concluded. And this extends to how one is voting.
A Romney supporter cannot acknowledge an Obama supporter's position and
vice versa. This says a lot about the nation today!
What does it matter what the news stories say about the debates when people
usually listen in order to get confirmation of their bias. Those people who
prefer one candidate over the other will go in favoring that candidate and come
out having their favortism confirmed. So it was with last night's debate.
Those who loved Paul Ryan said he could do no wrong and their viewing only
confirmed that in their mind. The same could be said about Joe Biden.However, those same people who wanted Ryan to "win" remained hostile
to Biden and looked for ways to criticize him irrespective of his performance
and/or knowledge. Half the Republican conclusion regarding the debate before
the debate even occurred. The Republicans already decided what they were going
to say in general about Joe Biden and what they were going to say about Paul
Ryan. They only had to add the finishing touches which they did by emphasizing
style and body language.It doesn't matter. Conservatives will
continue to vilify Joe Biden because it is not in their interests to understand
the dynamics of of the discussion.
Joe Biden summed up the solution to our economic problems in one simple
three-letter word... JOBS.
I don't understand the comments posted that are so forgiving of Mr.
Biden's behavior. To brush the laughing, the eye rolling, the smirks off
to a reaction to Mr. Ryan's comments is ridiculous. Is this how he reacts
to an opinion he disagrees with?! If he is in a meeting with other world
leaders and they say something he disagrees with does he go into this same
routine? We are all in serious trouble if this is acceptable behavior from
someone with a title as important as Mr. Biden's. If this was a debate
even on a high school level, that behavior would not be tolerated, but the Vice
President of America gets a free pass because he was reacting to "Lyin
Ryan". I don't understand the logic.
The Obama team is truly desperate. How else to explain Biden's performance?
(And I mean performance in every sense of the word). I've been in business
for 25 years, sat in countless meetings, presentations, and conversations,
I've heard some stuff that I didn't agree with and even stuff that was
a bit outlandish but I've NEVER seen someone treat another person's
ideas or presentation the way Biden did - not even close. I can't believe
that some debate professional actually coached Biden to be that way because I
can almost guarantee his insulting smirking is going to turn off voters. And to
think that guy is one heart beat away from being our president!! Scary.
Did Paul Ryan really advocate starting a war with Iran? He may not have said it
in so many words, but it certainly sounded like he wanted to expand American
military power into both Syria and Iran.He said that America is
perceived of as weak? By whom? You don't just bomb somebody to show them
how tough you are. And he wants to stay in Afganistan beyond the established
end date. Does he expect young men and young women to continue fighting after
our allies are gone? For someone who did not serve when he could have, for a
presidential candidate who did not serve when he was such a strong supporter of
war, it is only typical that they want to send others to do the fighting where
they know nothing of war and death.Republicans want to honor the
troops when they go off to war, but where are they when these military veterans
need help after they come home? Why did Republican's say we could not
afford the jobs bill to help veterans wheh they say that we will do anything for
@JWB"Biden showed the world his kind of nature to give his testimony
about his religion and in the same breath show that he is totally behind killing
innocent, unborn and perfect children. "I don't see
what's wrong with not wanting a Catholic version of Sharia law to rule the
nation which is what Bidens' position essentially boils down to...@Counter Intelligence"desperate sore losers simply want to taint
Romney with their own dirt."Sore losers want to focus more on
smirks than the total substantive smackdown Biden laid, fact-checking Ryan on
the spot. Regardless, as many have noted already, VP debates don't really
move much in polling. Their primary use is with regards to motivating turnout in
the base, and Biden accomplished that and then some. Democrats absolutely loved
it and are re-energized.
@What Ever"I don't understand the comments posted that are so
forgiving of Mr. Biden's behavior. To brush the laughing, the eye rolling,
the smirks off to a reaction to Mr. Ryan's comments is ridiculous. "I'll admit he went a bit overboard with it, but lies should be met
with contempt and ridicule. @Bifftacular"I can't
believe that some debate professional actually coached Biden to be that way
because I can almost guarantee his insulting smirking is going to turn off
voters. "A CNN poll of registered voters who viewed the debate
had Ryan win the debate 48-44. A CBS poll of undecided viewers (the more
important category of course) who viewed the debate had Biden winning 57-39.
@Craig Clark:"Grow up, is my advice to the critics of Biden for
smiling or making faces as some are putting it."Biden is the
person who needs to grow up. Adults don't make faces while another is
talking. Children do."That unavoidably makes both candidates
simultaneous players at all times."In the real world presidents
and veeps are players all the time."In movie making, they call
that stealing the scene."The debate was not movie making. It
was real life. I suppose Joe would have appreciated a 'retake' after
his dismal and childish conduct. Ryan looked, acted, and sounded like the adult
in the room.@Hutterite:"Nobody's mind was
changed in Utah last night."Perhaps. But there were thousands
and perhaps millions of people whose mind was changed around the country... from
a Biden to a Ryan supporter.@xscribe:"When will
Romney/Ryan get unemployment under 6 percent? Why won't they answer the
question?"No politician has a crystal ball they can gaze into
for such answers. What Ryan knows for sure is that you can't create jobs
without investments and that taxes reduce the amount of investment capital
Looks like the hate-filled leftists are out in droves today applauding Ol'
Joe who showed himself to be disrespectful, rude, and anything but a likeable
guy. And all of you claiming Ryan's lies ought to research a few things
(and provide evidence of your claims).First, the State Department
already discredited Ol' Joe regarding the attack on 9/11 in Libya. Second, Ol' Joe did vote for the two wars he claimed he voted
against.Shall I go on?If you're on the government
dole, dislike America, or want us to continue forward in the direction of
national destruction (similar to Greece), I can understand your support for
Obama. Otherwise, this election is quite clear.
@A Scientist:"If life begins at conception, why would a life
created by rape, incest, or an infant's life that threatened the life of
the mother - why would these lives be less worthy of protection?"Unwanted pregnancies from rape and incest are forced. A woman shouldn't
be required live with that constant, daily reminder of that horror and trauma
all her life."Is it the child's fault it was conceived in a
way the Republicans do not approve?"What about the
Democrats' position? Democrats want that all unborn should be subject to
abortion at the whim of the mother... as a birth control procedure... at
taxpayer expense... even if the infant is partially born (partial birth
abortion)."If Mitt Romney wants to alleviate concerns that he
will NOT take his orders from the Mormon headquarters in Salt Lake City,
adopting the Church's stand on abortion - verbatim - is NOT the way to do
it."Nice try... insisting that Mitt abandon his position on
abortion simply because it aligns with his church's position... You must be
a true-blue Democrat... laying traps for Mitt to be criticized regardless of
which way he turns.
You can call it a "wash" if you want, but every time Biden opens his
mouth, it gives another million votes to the Romney/Ryan ticket. Who won the
debate is irrelevant, who looked like a buffoon does matter, and Biden won that
one hands down. How America got stuck with Biden as VP is as shocking as how we
elected a Marxist as president.
wrz Ogden, UT"@Hutterite:"Nobody's mind
was changed in Utah last night.""Perhaps. But there were
thousands and perhaps millions of people whose mind was changed around the
country... from a Biden to a Ryan supporter."Can elephants fly?
It this just more malarkey? " . . . thousands and perhaps millions" may
also say the moon is made of green cheese.Laughter is a useful
debate tactic. It helps to keep the Chicken Littles of the world in
perspective. Sure, Paul Ryan is a serious man, a true believer, and firm in his
commitment to his world view. Unfortunately, he's on the ticket with a man
who doesn't share that view. For appearance sake, he has to play by the
other guy's rules and adopt positions antithical to his own. Perhaps that is why he couldn't bring up his "personhood" rights
claim for fertilized embryos. It might have generated more embarassment and
increased the laughter quotient in the debate. Whichever way you slice it, from
my view, Ryan was in water far over his head. But, then, it doesn't matter
because conservatives will dismiss me along with the 47% they consider
Now, the question for voters is this:If the president were to die in
office, who would you want meeting with foreign leaders in the time of
crisis?1) The guy who rolls his eyes and snorts every time he hears
something he doesn't want to hear?2) A rational adult who
listens and then counters with his own thoughts?
In the debate Mr. Biden lied about security in Libya, he was disrespectful and
laughed when Ryan brought up serious issues and he was unprepared to discuss
substantive issues. And to think he is a heart beat away from the presidency.
Buffoonery is not a substitute for substance and Biden is without substance. It
was disgraceful and Clint Eastwood was right.
Several days ago, some in here were looking forward to seeing Ryan mop the floor
with Joe Biden. That's not the tune being sung in here today. Ryan is a
tough campaigner who gave as good as he took in the debate. I don't hear
him whineing or crying foul today about anything that happened last night.
Regardless of who you think won, his supporters can be proud of his showing
against a very seasoned political debater.
The wing is trying to clam that J.B. mopped the floor over P.R. and yet the
poll's show P.R. with 48% win to J.B. with 44% so as I see it the left
can't read and count. (me I can't spell)
"The wing is trying to clam that J.B. mopped the floor over P.R. and yet the
poll's show P.R. with 48% win to J.B. with 44% so as I see it the left
can't read and count..."===========I suspect
that viewers who were already supporting Obama, thought Biden won. Likewise, the
Romney supporters claim a win for Ryan. Overall, I thought is was a good debate.
@atl134:"lies should be met with contempt and ridicule".Grown men that are the Vice President of the United States should show a lot
more class in a public forum.
its humorous that all the far right your commentaries on these threads think
they have any idea what the "middle" thinks.
If ryan won, why so many whining comments from ryan supporters?
@Mad Hatter:"What is very evident is the amount of space
dedicated to condemning Biden for his manner and attitude."Biden's ginning, laughing, and carrying on when his opponent had the
floor is what is being criticized. He likely was told to be sure to make his
presence known throughout the debate... which he translated into his inane
grinning and giggling."However, those not familiar with debate
skills, one doesn't sit like a lump on a log and passively listen when the
opponent says things which you believe to be false."Debaters are
supposed to take turns expressing their views and addressing the points of the
opponent. Trying to steal the scene when the opponent is speaking is not a
debate... it's childish conduct.