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Published: Thursday, Oct. 11 2012 10:30 p.m. MDT

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FDRfan
Sugar City, ID

Joe Biden and the Samuel Jackson video give us a an insight into the dominant culture that is taking over in this country. It just keeps getting uglier and uglier. Style - not substance - is what this debate emphasized. It is time for decent family oriented Democrats to denounce their party and either leave it or change it.

christoph
Brigham City, UT

Why bring up the abortion issue CNN? Both parties agree, a woman won't go to jail for one.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Grow up, is my advice to the critics of Biden for smiling or making faces as some are putting it. Last week in Denver, Obama was criticized for looking away or scowling. Al Gore sighed too much in 2000, George H.W. Bush looked at his wristwatch in 1992, etc. Thank heaven there were no TV cameras at the Lincoln/Douglas debate to catch a yawn or a frown.

Instead of sniping at Biden, David Gregory and Piers Morgan should criticize their own profession for insisting on using the split screen in telecast debates. That unavoidably makes both candidates simultaneous players at all times. In moviemaking, they call that stealing the scene.

Mister J
SLC, UT

re: patriot 11:30 p.m. Oct. 11

Biden, for all his faults (perceived & actual) is entertaining. Ryan is wound a little too tight. Almost, makes Willard seem happy go lucky!?

Its funny how much time and energy both parties spend trying to spend to emphasize their how distinct they are. There is some (but not much).

The major factor is not so much what they believe but how they want to implement policy.

re: KJB1 11:51 p.m. Oct. 11

Exactly. But, this is Utah where Mitt's sainthood is in the bag.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

To FDRfan 8:09 a.m. Oct. 12, 2012

Paul Ryan and the far right wing extremists give us a an insight into the dominant culture that is trying to take over in this country and impose itself on the country's people whether or not they want it. It just keeps getting uglier and uglier. Style - not substance - is what Ryan emphasized. It is time for decent freedom-loving Republicans to denounce their party and either leave it or change it.

Wyominguy
Buffalo, WY

Ms. Raddatz, in a not so subtle way directed the conversation to the VP on many occasions while cutting off Rep. Ryans answers too often. The debate commission's effort to find an "invisible" moderator is a failure by using network "news stars". Instead they should have selected someone with no media affiliation; these "news" people just cannot leave their personal agendas at home! The VP's behavior was not unexpected, after all his foul mouth comments are a national joke and personally I think he sets a horrible example for the youth of the country. The media may think he newsworthy and enjoy his remarks but in my view he should not be a representative of our country.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Nobody's mind was changed in Utah last night.

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Mr. Romney set the low bar on the way the candidates are allowed to act in debate. He treated Jim Lehrer with no respect and acted as though he had never even seen a debate before; he certainly didn't follow the rules. Jim Lehrer let him get away with it.

Both Biden and Ryan employed the tactice last night - interrupting each other, interrupting the moderator. At more than one point, Ryan didn't even allow her to complete asking the question. Both exhibited less than stellar behavior.

It would be nice to see a debate where the participants actually acted like they were in a debate. We really need to call them something else.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The debate would have been much more influential, at least on newsprint, if Ryan had clearly 'won'.

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

One question that was asked of Ryan, over and over, without an answer, was: When will Romney/Ryan get unemployment under 6 percent? Why won't they answer the question? Because they don't know. At least Biden was honest in saying he doesn't know. Ryan said everything under the sun, avoiding a direct answer to the question. Folks, Romney/Ryan do not know if or when they can bring unemployment down.

Clinton
Draper, UT

@no fit in SG Way to be objective! Biden said PLENTY of invalid information (or "lies," if you will), for instance, when he talked about Ryan putting two wars on our credit card, Biden voted for both wars as well.

Or what about when he said they weren't told that the U.S. Consulate in Libya wanted more security before the deadly attack? Obama officials testified the day before yesterday that they indeed had.

Or what about Biden claiming that he and Obama saved General Motors? That was done under Bush. Obama just continued what Bush started.

Or what about Biden's claim that Romney said, "No, let Detroit go bankrupt?" Romney never said that. It was a title that somebody put on an opinion piece he wrote in 2008. What he said was that we shouldn't use taxpayer money to bail the company out, but rather use privately financed bankruptcy restructuring.

I can go on and on. Ryan said some things that weren't correct and Biden said a lot of thing that weren't correct. If you're only going to point out one side, you're being intellectually dishonest.

That's A Good One
Meridian, ID

For me it wasn't near as telling as the Romney/Obama debate. Biden's extensive experience from about 100 years in Congress should have given him a huge advantage but I think Ryan held his own just fine. Biden's endless laughing and interrupting was extremely annoying, regardless of why he continued to do it - talking points aside. I'm a little tired of the endless negativism though and would have appreciated a straight answer from both of them to that specific question. A little hard to point fingers at the other one though when you're both guilty of the offense!

I didn't learn much from either one of them. I thought the moderator was much better than Jim Lerher last week. She re-took control whenever she needed to.

The two biggest unanswered questions I came out of the night with were: 1)How many water refills did they have to sneak in under the table for Ryan, and 2) How in the world did he drink that much and not have to call time out for a bathroom break? I had to go 5 times just watching him, and I didn't drink a drop!

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Ryan said,

"The policy of a Romney administration is to oppose abortion with exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother."

If life begins at conception, why would a life created by rape, incest, or an infant's life that threatened the life of the mother - why would these lives be less worthy of protection? Is it the child's fault it was conceived in a way the Republicans do not approve?

And this position on abortion is NOT the position of the Catholic church!

As you all know, this is the official position on abortion stated by the MORMON CHURCH.

If Mitt Romney wants to alleviate concerns that he will NOT take his orders from the Mormon headquarters in Salt Lake City, adopting the Church's stand on abortion - verbatim - is NOT the way to do it.

That's A Good One
Meridian, ID

Backstage following the debate Biden was heard to say "This is an *expletive* big deal."

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

"Style - not substance - is what this debate emphasized." What were you watching? We're leaving Afghnistan in 2014..we support that,except maybe not. I support my churchs position on abortion but I won't impose it on anyone else, so I support Roe v Wase..I would eliminate all abortions. I support the current sanctions on Iran..We also support the sanctions but think it shows weak leadership....so what would you do different....ah,ah,ah. I support the ACA and it extends Medicare for another ten years beyond it's current viability..I would do nothing about the current Medicare, but would change it in the future to a guaranteed coverage system supported by premium supports..what if the premium support doesn't cover the costs of premiums, and the senior can't physically go out and get coverage...ah,ah,ah,.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

That's A Good One said: Backstage following the debate Biden was heard to say "This is an *expletive* big deal."

Ever heard Dick Cheney when he thought the mic was off? Makes biden look like an amateur "Vulgarian."

JWB
Kaysville, UT

After seeing the debate with the tirades of Biden interrupting Paul Ryann almost once a minute was not professional, courteous or orderly. The VP must have had the orders from the President to be disruptive for Ryan, which is normal with his loud voice and snearing smile everytime Ryan attempted to talk.

I believe Ryan is right that Biden didn't speak about their performance and just blamed everything on his inheritance from President Bush II. They would have had such a wonderful 4 years except for the budget and economy. He wanted to be able to spend us into delirium if he had the economy of Hillary's husband.

Well, the one commentator I saw said it was the worst debate from a Vice President in 40 years and since the moderator was a good friend of the President, I guess there was no bias on her part. If Biden gets judged to have been second fiddle with Ryan, I guess their campaign will blame the moderator as they did with Lehrer last week.

It was comforting to know that Biden believes everything he says. He mentioned that he really cares for people but his yearly donations are $300.

Deep Thoughts
Salt Lake City, UT

Can't you just envision Uncle Joe dealing with foreign leaders? He'd either get too relaxed and say some embarrassingly racist statement or he'd laugh and smirk at them. Disaster either way.

Katiebugg
Salt Lake City, UT

I have facebook friends from both parties and from all parts of the nation. The interesting thing I found last night is that all of my female friends who watched the debate found the Vice President to be very off-putting. Even those that will definitely vote for Obama made comments about how he was rude and arrogant and belittling. My male friends were split down party lines, but the women were consistently annoyed by him regardless of their political affiliations.

I just thought that was interesting.

The Skeptical Chymist
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Joe Biden nailed it! To those who say he was rude and condescending, go watch Mitt Romney's performance again. Romney repeatedly ran over his time limit, simply browbeating the ineffective Jim Lehrer into letting him speak. I found Romney's performance MUCH more obnoxious than anything Biden did.

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