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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 9 2012 6:11 p.m. MDT

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Schwa
South Jordan, UT

Gov. Walker may have been the best Governor this state has ever had. And the Republicans ousted her in the primary.

WHAT NOW?
Saint George, UT

My first comment was denied.

2nd try.

A new institute designed to restore political civility?

Marvelous.

Lermentov
PROVO, UT

Civility isn't something we've had often. The rancor that Thomas Jefferson showed John Adams in the presidential race was as full of rancor as things are now (or even worse). I think it's simply part of party politics, though I was it weren't so much.

A1994
Centerville, UT

People are watching the government sitting on $16,000,000,000,000 in debt as it tries to expand into as many aspects of life as it possibly can. It makes sense that the alarm this is causing would also cause incivility. The house is on fire. There are bound to be some nasty exchanges and a few bad words.

Moderate Thinking
Astana, Kazakhstan, 00

Once again, Governor Walker, you continue to add your moderate, civil, and welcome voice to the dialogue. Thank you for your wisdom and support for civility! Here's hoping that Utah will continue to reject negative and uncivil behavior in politics, and hopefully, be an example to the rest of the nation.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

@Lermentov
You are my hero.
Perhaps we should return to the civility of Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr.
I think this so-called civility problem has more to do with the long memory of the Internet. It has exposed our elected officials for what they are. Critics of politicians now have the goods on them.
Those who are bold enough to call them out on their hypocrisy don't need to be told they are out of line; they need to be heard and heeded. Sometimes it takes a little "shrill" to penetrate their defenses.

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

Both sides are equally guilty. The hypocrisy coming from talk radio is beyond belief. I listened Sean Hannity whine about how uncivil the left is. Then his guest referred to our Vice President as an old geezer. Talk about lack of respect for such an important office. This us vs them mentality is accomplishing nothing. All this name calling is just juvenile. We the people deserve better.

J-TX
Allen, TX

Civility in politics? Yeah, pearls before swine much?

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

There never was a time where there was civility in American politics. We have a proud and long reputations of being the WWF of politics. Much of it is show, grandstanding, and self promotion... very little of it is focused on fixing real issues or moving forward real policy.

I don't think we will ever get the negative out of politics. It is part of the system. It is right and fair to point out where parties have disagreements on policy. That by definition is politics. But where we are heading is another issue - and that is the practice of personal negativity towards other people. The demonizing, name calling, defamation, lying about others, it seems to be common and accepted practice.

For example we have the dear congressman from Utah valley who has yet to produce anything positive, and yet takes every opportunity he can to appear on FoxNews to promote himself, and make wild accusations of conspiracies. Rather than discussing substantiative policy and how to move forward fixing issues, Representative Jason focuses all his outbound communications on blaming or being critical of the other side.

Is it no wonder the American public mirrors these kinds of examples.

mcdugall
Layton, UT

@A1994 - Neither the Democrats or Republicans care about the debt, its just a talking point to rile up political support. For either party to seriously address the debt/deficit issues this country faces will surely mean their ouster at the next election. Both parties have their supporters they need to keep happy which means special interest spending, either through corporate welfare or expansion of the safety net, sadly nothing will change regardless of who is elected.

MapleDon
Springville, UT

For those who don't know, "civility," "civil dialogue," etc. are liberal-speak. Their intention is always the same--to make the conservatives dispassionate about their beliefs and to, over time, disconnect people from their convictions.

And, by the way, the DesNews jumped onto this "civility" bandwagon as a result of one hot issue--illegal immigration. Their purpose then was to get those of you who are passionate about your beliefs in a secure border and legal immigration to think that somehow you're a bad person because you're passionate about this issue.

Don't fall for it.

Supporting LDS Church
Salt Lake City, UT

Sometimes we miss the obvious. I do it. We all do it. On here it seems this has happened. Notice that on the subject of being civil in political discourse, everyone here is essentially saying "It's just 'the way' of politics." as if incivility couldn't be helped and the choice does not exist within our minds. In all respect to everyone here, the truth is that we do have the choice.

Choosing for yourself, of your own agency, is something that all of us have. Civility is one of those choices in front of all of us, we just have to make the choice and do it. Sometimes "Just do it" is the best answer. We all know what is right; we just need to do it.

J-TX
Allen, TX

mcdugall makes a good, if skeptical point. Exactly the reason we need term limits for Congress. 12 years max, both or either house.

Until we get a Congress that will enact term limits on themselves, We The People need to enforce term limits by voting out the incumbents who have overstayed their welcome.

Until / unless we get back to a real representative government of, by and for the People, we will make no Progress.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

@MapleDon

"And, by the way, the DesNews jumped onto this "civility" bandwagon as a result of one hot issue--illegal immigration. "

"Don't fall for it."

Interesting take on this. You see, some of us are on this "bandwagon" not because of some liberal ploy to muzzle conservatives, but because the leader of their church and the owner of the DN has instructed the followers of that faith to be "Civil" in all our dealings, particularly in politics. Straight from their mouths.

Now maybe to some the leadership of the LDS faith is a voice for the liberals... but I don't think so. The idea that you can debate passionately about what you believe in, and yet do so in a civil manner must be something foreign to some "conservatives". I doubt most have this difficulty.

If you firmly believe in something, becoming uncivil to make your point should not be required or necessary. Needing to demean those who have other points of view I really don't think shows a strength of convictions, but rather a lack of personal control or ability to present ideas in a meaningful or understandable way.

Civility is not a partisan idea.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Having seen Governor Walker work as Lieutenant Governor and her influence, she has a special talent that comes from leading in a way that showed caring about people. People is what it is all about and she was born with that caring ability.

She lives in a man's world of Government. It is not meant to be a man's world only but in Utah the Republicans have tried to keep women out of politics. The Republican leadership men in elected and non-elected positions don't treat women in politics as equals.

The rhetoric is not pleasant to hear when these supposedly good men put down women in a variety of ways. Men need women in politics as much as at home.

Politics are not just for men as the women, whether at home or at work or at both impact on everyone, men, women and children. They definitely impact on the FAMILY.

The politics are not just for men and I thought Utahns worked as partners with women, not as they do in some countries around the world.

We cannot have women, such as Governor Walker, be walked on by men's incivility.

She has given much.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Politics, in the United States of America, even with the incivility, is much better than many of the countries in the world and ones that I have lived in.

People who opposed the government in power may pay the ultimate price or at least be put in a place that is not good and away from the family.

We are blessed with a process that allows people to express their dissatisfaction with the government, elected and bureaucratic. It may not work the way we want but we can go to an elected official who represents the people, or at least are supposed to represent us. The next election may find that person without a job if they don't represent their constituents.

What a blessing we have but we have to be involved in politics not just let a few manage to make it worse for us while we were watching it happen.

We can't let what happened to good people, Senator Bennett and Governor Walker become the normal process. That was a planned event but the Republican party leaders don't listen and good people are thrown under the bus.

Governor Walker represents all good women of Utah

MapleDon
Springville, UT

@UtahBlueDevil

Your comments have consistently sided with one party--and it just happens to not be mine. And given that this call for civility has always come from the left, not the right, it's no wonder you also support it (the objective being to put down passionate conservatives).

You can claim spiritual superiority all you want, but the fact is passion for right and good causes has typically proven beneficial for our nation. It's only when we condition good people to do nothing that evil takes over--and evil is taking over.

So let's make sure good people lose their convictions, and convince them it's better to not offend, than to stand firm in any belief. And let's also continue to make them feel guilty for being passionate about an issue they feel strongly about (abortion, illegal immigration, higher taxes, out of control deficit, this election, etc.).

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Maple Don,

Civility and conviction can and should go hand in hand. There are many today who think that conviction gives you a right to say anything you want. As the old saying goes, "we can disagree without being disagreeable".

The current political tone is not solving any problems, blame the right blame the left, or be real and blame both. Until good men and women come together with a common goal of solving problems nothing will happen. The current party before country mentality has to go. There are good men and women on both sides of the aisle, and there are also bad men and women on both sides of the aisle.

How about country first.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@mapledon

"And given that this call for civility has always come from the left, not the right, it's no wonder you also support it (the objective being to put down passionate conservatives)"

are you really trying to suggest Olene Walker the DN and Orin Hatch are a part of "the left"

one old man
Ogden, UT

Olene Walker is a prime example of the corrupt influence of money and Good Ol' Boy politics as practiced in Utah.

She was, for the short time she was in office, one of the best governors ever. If she had been elected to one or two more terms, she would have led Utah into some terrific territory that would have benefited ALL of us. But we were robbed of that opportunity.

She was dumped by the Party Faithful because they knew they couldn't depend on her to follow their dictates.

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