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Two new polls give Mitt Romney the edge

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  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Oct. 10, 2012 3:46 p.m.

    Obama is in big trouble. I spent last week in the midwest and they aren't going to vote for
    him this time. The polls can say what they want but the people don't want him for 4 more years. Iowa is a toss up state but Iowa is really hurting and that spells defeat for Obama. Missouri has simply too many people that are Christian and believe that marriage is between a man and a woman so again loss for Obama.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Oct. 10, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    The real change here is in the mainstream media that have been spouting poll numbers like they were absolute truths, but now question the accuracy of polls because they don't like the current numbers.

    In answer to LDS liberal - integrity does not mean being so dogmatic that you never change your mind. Besides that, many of these attacks are one-liners with no substance. "Romneycare" was a 40 page state plan. Obamacare is thousands of pages of federal mandates that will take power AWAY from the states.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 10, 2012 9:10 a.m.

    SS
    MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    I don't know if I can wrap my head around you?

    Your LDS, so how about him serving as a bishop and stake president? I'm not saying that's why you should vote for him, just an example of selfless service that I would hope you would understand.

    ===========

    The lies, deceit, lack of integrity and down right Dishonesty are not the values I find in my LDS Bishops and Stake Presidents.

    Which is precisely WHY I can not support him.
    I don't know who the REAL Mitt Romney is....nobody knows.

    BTW - I liked the old Mitt Romney, Governor of Massachucetts best and would have even voted for him [because I'm not a huge Obama fan, and he's fallen short on HIS campaign promises - i.e, he's not liberal enough].

    The Romneycare,
    Civil Union/Domestic Partnership/Gay-Marriage,
    Assault gun ban,
    Stem cell research,
    Pro-Choice,
    Increase the minimum wage for inflation,

    Moderate, NorthEast Rockefeller BlueDog Republican Mitt Romney -- not the Tea-Party Frankenstein Candidate his morphed into just to appease the radical right-wing.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    @ Hutterite,

    If we are judging by those standards than Obama has become a complete and utter failure! He promised all those things and didn't deliver. If you are so strict in your judgement I sure hope you are not supporting Obama.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2012 9:47 p.m.

    I don't know if I can wrap my head around you?

    You bash Romney for -

    Passing Romneycare,
    and then support Obamacare, which was formed after Romneycare.

    Signing for Gay Marriage,
    and support Obama who supports gay marriage.

    Not going to Vietnam,
    but your LDS? so I assume you support missions? Right?

    Your LDS, so how about him serving as a bishop and stake president? I'm not saying that's why you should vote for him, just an example of selfless service that I would hope you would understand.

    How about him serving as Governor of Mass. and not accepting a salary?

    How about saving the 2002 Winter Olympics and not getting paid?

    How about the countless stories from people of his service to them.

    On the other hand there's Obama,

    1.5 million tax dollars to the Muslim brotherhood just days after the attacks in Libya.

    PROMISING to cut the deficit in half and saying that if he didn't he would only serve for one term. Then, not delivering and running anyway.

    I could go on, but I'm to my 200 word limit.

    Integrity, it's all about who you REALLY are.

    Not even close!

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2012 8:05 p.m.

    Re: Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT

    All during the last 4 years Obama's cheerleaders have been using Bush as an excuse for Obama's failures. When Obama got his backsides kicked during the first presidential debate the liberals couldn't very well blame Bush. Must be Romney's fault.

    The blame game, played as it can only be done by liberals backing a weak leader.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    If/When Willmitt wins, I am going to expect only a few things. Mostly, that he fix everything obama has apparently wrecked in three and a half years. All of it. Because apparently he can, according to what I've read on these pages. So, cheaper gas, immigration, debt, deficit, tax breaks, I just want it all Because you can, mitt. I heard it here. Your alternative, of course, is abject failure.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 4:54 p.m.

    Obama's presidency and 2012 campaign will be talked about for years to come when people talk about what not to do. He got elected with the least credentials of any modern President. He was swept into office in the midst of an economic crisis with a very non-specific campaign theme of 'hope and change.' He road a wave of young voters looking to make history. His lack of economic experience has shaped his policies for four years and led to the weakest recovery ever. The whole time nobody dared question him on his philosophy or ask him to add up the numbers. Then comes a debate with a man who does have some experience in the economy. It was the perfect recipe for disaster for Obama. The ONLY comeback the left has is that Romney is a liar and a cheater. (That's not what the American people saw, by the way.) If you think the debate was bad, wait until election night. I still think the polls are questionable.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    The one who brought a cheat sheet, when notes were clearly NOT to be used according to the rules?

    Earth to flat earthers......that so-called cheat sheet was proved to be a hanky for blowing ones nose........NEXT?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 3:41 p.m.

    Rifleman said:
    "Which Romney has the edge in two new polls?"
    "The one who was prepared when he showed up for the presidential debate with the one that wasn't.

    The one who brought a cheat sheet, when notes were clearly NOT to be used according to the rules?
    Romney showed he is used to ignoring rules because they don't apply to "him."

    Sorry SS Integrity does not mean chameleon like in ideals.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 3:08 p.m.

    SS
    MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    @LDS Liberal

    Romney has shown integrity throughout his whole life.

    ===========

    Really?!
    Was that before or after he –

    ...passed Romney-care?
    …he liked mandates, because mandates work.
    …he fought for stem cell research?
    …he thought minimum wage should keep up with inflation?
    ...he signed Gay Marriage in Massachusetts?
    ... he said he'd always protect a woman's right to choose?
    …he said Roe v. Wade is the law and we should sustain and support it?
    …he was a big game hunter all his life?
    …he desired to go off and serve in Vietnam?

    I could go on and on, but I only have a limit of 200…

    Integrity, it's all about who you REALLY are.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal

    Like the integrity of your spelling?

    Romney has shown integrity throughout his whole life. That shouldn't even be a talking point anymore. Maybe we should shift the talk of integrity to Obama who does what he wants when he wants. Like giving 1.5 million to the Muslim Brotherhood and adding to the national deficit. Or lying just about every time he opens his mouth by making promises that he has not and will not ever keep. Integrity . . . look at your own boy before trying to tear down others.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Oct. 9, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    What, exactly, makes a president a fraud? Obama was elected because the entire world, including America, was tired of Bush. Romney will be elected because a little more than half of America is tired of Obama. Does that make Romney now a fraud?

  • H2OSKI Alpine, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 2:28 p.m.

    Silly.

    Romney had the lead all the time...its just bigger now and so disparate that the liberal pollsters can't obscure it any more.

    That being said I hope everyone knows they are not getting a real conservative here. do you seriously believe a Conservative could get elected and operate like he did in Massachussets? Time to come back to reality.

    No doubt he is better than the current socialist-in-chief but my fear is we have another big-spending George Bush on our hands.

    We need a fiscal conservative to get this country off its current financial kamikaze mission.

  • satch Highland, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    Regardless of which side you are voting for, polls don't matter.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:49 p.m.

    Is this the electoral college poll or popular vote? Which one matters?

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    @rman

    Thank you for responding to my comment.

    I appreciate your thoughtful clarification...

    Just one question...

    The Which Romney that was prepared for the debate...

    Was that the severely conservative Which Romney from the primaries...

    or

    was that the one night severely moderate Which Romney?

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    The Obama apologists are telling us that America is stupid and that Americans really didn't see Obama for what he really is when he "debated" Romney. He didn't debate Romney. He stood there as an incompetent school boy who hadn't done his homework. He was unprepared. He had wasted our time. He thought that his "good looks" or his "charm" would get him through the "debate". He was mistaken. Sixty million or more Americans saw him for what he was - a total incompetent who was supposed to be Commander in Chief. They saw that he had control of a military where their sons and daughters served. They saw that he had control of the embassies where their fellow citizens served. They saw that he had control of all spending and that he had spent us into bankruptcy. They saw OBAMA for what he was - a fraud who was unprepared for a debate.

    No thinking person could still tell us that Obama deserves to be President, yet those who have abandoned logic still tell us to vote for Obama. Do they really think that we are fools?

  • t702 Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 9, 2012 1:02 p.m.

    It's awesome to see the Liberals in total panic. The truth always win - the truth that Obama has no experience and no clue how to be a leader, and the truth that Mitt is a true leader that shows up in the debate. prior to the debate the only thing the voters knows about Mitt is the mis-information provided by Obama. Now the truth comes out and Obama does not know how to deal with it, besides name calling, that's very presidential, ain't it?

    Bye-Bye BO - Go back to Chicago!

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    According to Ute Alum, apparently those voting for Obama are not Americans. I knew we had a lot of immigrants here, but I didn't think we had that many, to put the election at a virtual tie.

    With that said, frankly, I don't believe Obama even wants to stay president. He's trying just hard enough to make it look like he's running, but he can't wait to hand this country over to Romney.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    BTW -- I've listen to 3 months to Romney fans telling us all that polls don't matter, and at the Liberal Lame-Stream Media is wrong.

    But NOW they are right?

    Hypocrites.
    Just like their poster boy, laking any integrity.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    Re: WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    "Which Romney has the edge in two new polls?"

    The one who was prepared when he showed up for the presidential debate with the one that wasn't.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:15 p.m.

    The Pew poll that had Obama up by 8 had a 10 point partisan affiliation split in favor of Democrats (you know, the sort of thing Republicans claimed polls were biased over). The new Pew poll that has Romney up by 4 has a 5 point partisan affiliation split in favor of Republicans. That's basically the entire difference right there. Independents were basically the same in the two polls. Obviously Romney has gained a lot of ground, but he had a lot of ground he had to make up and bounces tend to fade slightly over time.

    I'm just glad I never thought this election was in the bag for Obama, I recommend Romney voters do the same. This is far from over and Obama's preferred debate style, the town hall, is next.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    So are these good polls with the right people polled, and the right questions asked?

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:07 p.m.

    Which Romney has the edge in two new polls?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    Eric Schulzke - an obvious Deseret News shrill for Mitt Romney.
    Day after Day he searches the World-Wide-Web in search of ANY shred of posivitve news regarding his man, Mitt.

    BTW - Eric,
    This is STILL the only poll that matters:

    Obama 294
    Romney 224

    270 is needed to win.
    [and that even AFTER that 36 point switch]

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Oct. 9, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    Obama groupies:
    Your boy is behind not because of his pathetic performance in the debate but because of his horrible policies and his total failure as president. Americans finally figured this out to be the true Manchurian candidate.