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Family sombered, but said learning of news was 'spiritual experience'

Published: Sunday, Oct. 7 2012 6:52 p.m. MDT

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trackerjohn
deming, NM

I read mention of this scenario in an article on Friday, however as coming from an ‘’undisclosed source’’ at the time. Now that it has officially been rolled out as a means to clean this event up, I’ll comment. First off I’m going to state that the scenario does not set well with me, at least at this date & stage of the investigation. Do to the limit space allowed here I will I certainly will not be able to go the needed depth to present clearly my opposition, and instead will simply say this: The pictures I saw of Agent Ivie, and the story of him having carried a pregnant lady a mile & a half, does not present the picture of an agent which would become ‘’spooked’’ in the dark, and to blindly fire his weapon at only a perceived threat. That’s my opinion, and until proven differently it always will be.

korn75
Cedar Hills, UT

@Trackerjohn - And how would you propose that the evidence is presented and proven differently to you? They've already investigated and released the details, yet you seem to continue to doubt it. I don't think there's any convincing you otherwise. Don't you think it would be easier for them to just blame the bad guy? This is embarrassing and saddening to the entire department. If anything it would be easier to cover it up saying he was shot by an illegal who ran back into Mexico. The truth hurts sometimes. We are all human and make mistakes, so it is entirely possible that was the case in this situation.

rightascension
Provo, UT

"Friendly Fire." Such a nice euphemism for armed persons shooting members of their own team.

First -- killed by people associated with the drug trade. Then -- shot by "friendly fire." No specific names. Now -- he shot at his own team members first. I prefer to not put too fine a point to this scenario, but it makes me feel less safe.

prelax
Murray, UT

I wonder why this was released by the Union, and not a government agency?

It's possible that the two men who tripped sensors on Mexico's side of the border were caught between the officers. A trained officer shooting at shadows does not make sense. Their explanation does not jive with their training. And two days after Mexico released video of people dying by Fast and Furious guns I will always question the indecent, and pray the family may be comforted on a higher level.

With agents fired, told not to arrest those crossing the border, punished for detaining people here illegally, lawsuit against the Presidents amnesty, voting no-confidence in Holder etc. One has to question.

Friendly fire happens in every war. It's a part of armed conflict. I distrust this government enough to question this happening.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

When I was in the military we still had communications by wire phones and analog type radios. We don't live in that type of world today. The border agents are our form of a military on the outposts of one of the largest borders in the free world. They are there to protect us from encroachers of freedom. However, they can't do that without the best skills, talents, and performance as a military type unit. Friendly fire can and does happen, even in the best trained units, with 100s and 1000s involved in an operation.

This was a small operation and coordination and radio contact is vital as there are only a few involved and in close contact, it appears. The enemy will love to know that they can distract us and kill our own people, if this is true.

In Vietnam the enemy would turn the claymore mines around to let us kill ourselves. We need a President and a Cabinet that think about their people, their employees' safety and health. Government employees should not be jeopardized because Jay Leno and David Letterman are more important than the battlefield of life.

Employees need to know someone cares.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

I was about to accept this explanation until the name Napolitano appeared. That name is directly connected to Obama and there goes my belief system. Like Bengazi was not related to terroism. Hah!

@Korn75 The government does not want any bad press realted to illegals. Obamas new voting block. Blaming illegals would fan the anti flame. Better to make it so the public has no distaste for the result. Another thing they do not want fast and furious rekindled. Beware the government media complex!

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

I would tend to agree with some of the posts here. Employment statistics come out; almost on cue before the election, Fast and Furious is still being pressed to find answers and now another incident with potential to do damage to the administration and magically it turns out that it was just an unfortunate mistake.

Maybe we have grown paranoid, but we also have to recognize the fact that our government (and not just under this administration) has been anything but transparent. We are constantly lied to; all in the name of what is best for the country, though we are becoming more and more aware that what happens in this country is in reality was is best for those in power in order for them to maintain their status and seldom to promote the general welfare.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

What is a shame is that Napolitano, from Arizona, would skew anything to go against what her people of Arizona want, peace. She knew who the snake was when she joined up. It is ironic that the officer's own organization comes out with this information and not the agency or department that is over these dedicated employees.

I know that working with and for Federal government agencies, over the years, they don't think about employees but what the administration wants or thinks they want. This President has only made things worse by non-direction.

He layered the Departments and Agencies with his Czars that do interference for the administration. Napolitano may be the authorized person but that doesn't mean she is in a straight line of authority to the President. The Cabinet is probably more of a kitchen cabinet and has lost some of the power and authority over the past almost 4 years.

It is not the same as it was but there is no real documentation to show the impact as it is a behind the scene and with plenty of side bars in the conversation.

Integrity is a thing of the past and changed

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

This just illustrates the cynicism and win-at-all-costs mentality of the Obama regime.

Readily available night-vision, airborne surveillance, GPS, and blue-force tracking technologies would have made this patrol a non-event. But, they would also increase border surveillance effectiveness, to the extent of actually controlling our southern border.

That would be, however, unacceptably contrary to Obama's politics-first approach to everything.

So, good people, doing as they are instructed by the regime, die.

But, more importantly to the regime, the the Mexican government and an important liberal constituency are not alienated.

anticounterculture
Salt Lake City, Utah

Something is amiss here. Law enforcement typically communicates verbally before opening fire, unless being fired upon. I don't claim to know the rules of engagement, but I would think there would be a loud "Border Patrol! Drop the weapon!" or something similar before engaging. A verbal warning would likely have been a tip-off to the other party that both parties were friendlies, even in the midst of a tense situation at night.

Regardless of whether either of the two parties took an offensive or defensive position / posture, why is there no indication that there was a verbal exchange before shots were fired. This report makes it seem as though the deceased officer just started firing away at shadows.

Again, something is amiss here.

Out of respect for the family and the reputation of the deceased officer who can't defend himself, I think every effort should be made to clear his good name.

My deepest condolences to Officer Ivie's family.

utah cornhusker
NORFOLK, NE

I agree with anti in the fact that out of respect and reputation for the officer who cant defend himself and that every effort should be made to clear his good name. I would think it is rather strange that the border patrols union released the info instead of homeland security. May God bless agent Ivie's family especially his widow and children.

SLMG
Murtoa Australia, Victoria

It never fails does it?
This was a tragic accident that has now been turned into a political football by the comments on here.
Regardless who would be President at the time, there would be those that are going to blame the President that is in office regardless of the political party they come from. How redicules is that? This was a tragic accident and it is better that the truth comes out soon rather than later so the family knows the facts.
It does not help to have arm chair critics blaming everyone that they don't like politically for a tragic accident. Please let this man and famuily be at peace.

trackerjohn
deming, NM

procuradorfiscal
It’s heartwarming to read comments from informed/knowledgeable folks, such as yourself. While I’ll shy away from the political aspect/part of your comment, I will none the less embrace the rest. BF could have, should have been implemented, but instead was blocked at least in part by the representatives of the very people it would have protected, the union. BF as to IFT, are not only tools/technology which could/would help to secure our borders if implemented, but would also offer greater protection to those employed in that endeavor.
As for our fallen agent here, I have already said my piece. Now it’s left with the agent’s family, and those in uniform to deal with however they see fit. My heart aches for them.

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