Arizona guv plans to attend service for former Provo resident
Re: WHAT NOW? Saint George, UTCorrection. It was U.S. Border Patrol
agent Brian Terry that was murdered by a firearm provided by the ATF to Mexican
Re: WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT"All you Fast and Furious folks, please
holster your accusations."They aren't accusations but are
proven facts. Are you suggesting that we forget US Border Patrol Agent Nicholas
Ivie and the fact that this botched gun smuggling operation was responsible for
I am including a clip which I captured from an article in today’s La
Times: > > Gun-trace documents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives obtained by The Times show that a high-powered
rifle and a handgun were found near the shooting scene, though it was not clear
whether they were connected to the incident.
What does having to be conservitive do with the shooting of Agent Ivie. Fast and
furious is an known fact of the obama administration and als the giving of guns
in South America under the obama controlled government. If Agent Ivie was shot
with a fast and furious gun that could still be considered friendly fire since
obama and holder gave the guns to the outlaws south of the border.
Each one of the recovered cases can quickly & easily be compared to not only
the extractor on each agent’s weapon, but also to the firing pins! I
doubt seriously if either agent discharged more than ten or twenty rounds.
Since the brass would have been recovered in group setting, one wouldn’t
even need to compare all casings, only a sampling from each group. Clearly this
has already been done, so why continue with the nonsense? Also quite likely they
recovered projectiles (bullets or parts of bullets) and law enforcement knows
which agent shot whom?
Some of the comments here are most telling. The public has been lied to and
deceived by these government agencies so many & countless times, that
it’s hard for them to accept the simple truth when it is presented. In
this particular case, and depending upon which news source a person views, the
agencies are still not presenting a fully truthful and clear picture. The CCSO
is also not being completely honest, and in fact as late as this morning left
the door have slightly open, that ‘’other’’ subject
could have been present, and ‘’may have’’ fired shots
from the same cal. weapon used by the Border Patrol, and which reflect the only
cal of brass being recovered from the scene. That statement
‘’could’’ of course be ‘’true’’,
but certainly easy enough to have been either confirmed or proven false at this
late date in time, and here is how: cont.
What a sad month the past 30 days have been with our United States of America
embassy personnel that were taken down due to security lapses. I would believe
the border agents also have a lack of procedures and communication lapses if
this is actually is what happened.The embassy security process and
what really happened is questionable due to integrity of words and potential
coverups.Hopefully, the Homeland Security process isn't flawed
with integrity and actual what happened processes, too.If you
can't trust the other people you are working with, that is a sad day for
all, especially in these important government jobs with a great deal of
importance for those working on the line.You trust or have to trust
the other people supporting you as the system breaks down very fast. The people
in the "foxhole" are trusting the others next to you are on the same
side and supporting you as much as you are hopefully supporting them.That kind of support and attitude comes from the top down if the top wants to
be supported from the bottom of the totem pole.You need someone at
the top that you can trust!
"It doesn't make any difference if he was killed by Mexican military,
Mexican drug dealers, gun runners, friendly fire or moon rays shot by Martians.
He died on the job, and that's what's important. Period."Really? If it was friendly fire, a review is absolutely in order to find out
why it happened in order to prevent such huge mistakes in the future. It does
make a difference.
This makes me feel worse for the family. And to me it does matter how a loved
one died.Just ask the wife of Pat Tillman.If it ever surfaces that
they are covering up something to avoid a negative political message I will be
truly disgusted and disappointed.There is enough spin on the truth about
the economy, immigration and a thousand other important issues.Can we
please just get the truth when it comes to someone who was a good, upstanding
man who was just doing his job?
About a month before election and all articles and investigations are being spun
so as to protect the President from the truth about his policies that aid and
abet enemies of the U.S. and that are harmful to our nations security.
I beg to differ with the retired policeman from Chicago, how he died does matter
and that he was a federal agent is irrelevant. Its time to stop putting law
enforcement on pedestals and treat them as normal american citizens and human
beings. The American public deserves as much compassion for being
killed as does those who choose this line of professional work. It has been
reported that a weapon from the ATF 'fast and furious' debacle was
used to wound and kill these agents and arrests were made implicating their
weapons. Are we to believe that these drug lords and members of the
La Raza having been armed by the ATF were actually friends of thee
administration in Washington? And are now friendly Mexican occupational forces
dressed in border patrol uniforms?Then its very doubtful that a lone
border patrol agent in the field alone shot these agents. This remark sound very
suspicious and a cover up to keep a low profile incident of war by the ATF on
our soil is to be tolerated? Once again the administration is writing the armed
war reports to cover up white house botched plans.
OK, that just makes you sick inside. Come on people look before you shoot! I am
lost for words..
@idaho stranger So we should let conservative poster continue to exploit
this tragedy with false claims against the obama administration until when
exactly? they certainly waited for far less proof before bouncing.
Until it is verified and proven, it should not be reported at all!
A tragedy.Condolences to the family.All you Fast and
Furious folks, please holster your accusations.Now is not the time
and/or the place to spew conspiracy theories.
Until it's verified and proven, it should be reported as "possible"
@A ScientistI was thinking the same thing. We cannot be reminded
enough times about the fact that there are those in our society who risk their
lives on a daily basis for us. Crossfire is only one of those risks that must be
faced. We should not forget the families of those in law enforcement who are
sacrificing for us as well. Many of them are very young children who will now
not have one of their parents in their lives as the grow up. We kind never thank
these families enough or do enough for them in their hour of need.
This news changes nothing about the high regard in which I and countless others
will hold this heroic young father and husband. He put his life on the line
everyday, and in a risky profession, all it takes is one risky day.I
hope the family finds comfort some way, some how.
Do those that write the headlines even read the article?
And Mexicans are our friends? Mexico said they arrested two of the people. I
hope they are not playing politics on this.
Friendly Fire has to be the worst misnomer every coined.
And that was a professional with a gun.I know! Lets let ANYONE carry a
gun! What could possibly go wrong?RIP Agent Ivie.
The Washington Post is reporting that the FBI has determined that it was in fact
friendly fire that killed Agent Ivie and wounded another agent.