Scientist no question you are vanka as well
Scientist and Civil:Interesting exchange between you.I
must confess I had to look up "idiographic" (study/explication of
individual cases) and "nomothetic" (study/formulation of
general/universal laws) when I read Scientist's post.I was
particulary struck by Scientist's concluding statement: "[W]e would be
prudent to at least tentatively conclude that there is a non-effect for the
prayer efficacy hypothesis."I'm not a social scientist, but
I think this would make for an interesting statistical study. Anecdotal,
qualitative results certainly have their value, but if a person could construct
and conduct an empirical, quantitative study on the efficacy of prayer--now I
would find those results interesting.In the meantime, since prayer
is such a personal and private matter, each of us will have to determine the
efficacy of prayer on the basis of his/her own personal and private
experience.And no, Scientist, I'm not going to denigrate you
for your own experience--lack of response or however you opt to characterize
it--(you have had enough--too many--people do that already) and I ask the same
respect from you.Danke mein Freund.
People have to consider what a win for Mitt Romney would do to the LDS church.
The one aspect that is different about Mitt will certainly be attacked.
There's very little else in Mitt Romney that can be criticised.Does he have affairs? Nope.Does he have any nasty little secrets?
Nope.The ideologues that oppose Mitt will isolate on his religion
and we'll see expose after expose on Mormonism. Every decision
that Mitt makes that angers his political opponents will result in an attack on
the LDS faith. Perhaps a Mormon president would not be in the best interest for
the LDS church.
DSB is right. I live in Texas, in a community with a lot of LDS. I too, try to
use the word LDS when people ask my religion. After they tell me they
don't do drugs, or respond with a blank stare, I say, "I'm LDS -
Latter-day Saint - Mormon". It is not until I say Mormon that their eyes
light up with recognition. And we are well respected here.It will
take decades for us to be known as LDS, because we have been known as Mormons
for almost 2 centuries.
@LDSareChristians - I suspect you are attributing a far higher level of
sophistication about the nuances of our religious language to non-LDS people
than they really have. Believe it or not, the vast majority of people know so
little about us that they don't even know that Mormons and LDS are the same
people. Most simply don't care, and if you asked them to associate LDS
with something, most probably wouldn't have a clue. The press
repeats that Romney is Mormon, and people research Mormons. I doubt it gets
much more sophisticated than that.
Civil wrote:"As a scientist myself, I've tested prayer
through A/B testing.- Lived my life without prayer.- Lived my
life with prayer- Lived my life without prayer- Lived my life with
prayerWith prayer, my life works dramatically better. I know many
who've performed the same experiment, and received the same result."I, too, have completed extensive A-B testing, strictly following the
"Moroni'sChallenge" protocols. On every trial of that Idiographic
approach, my results have been exactly opposite what you report. And I also know
many who have replicated my results.Your attempts to derive
Nomothetic conclusions, however, are undermined by a "file drawer" bias.
Those like me who get non-faith-promoting results are not allowed to
"publish" our results in DN, Church testimony or other meetings, etc.Given that bias, we would be prudent to at least tentatively conclude
that there is a non-effect for the prayer efficacy hypothesis.nicht
As a scientist myself, I've tested prayer through A/B testing.-
Lived my life without prayer.- Lived my life with prayer- Lived my
life without prayer- Lived my life with prayerWith prayer, my
life works dramatically better. I know many who've performed the same
experiment, and received the same result.Does that make me superior
to someone who doesn't pray? Prayer helps me have no desire to be
superior, but increases my desire to love and serve.
No study of the Mormon faith is complete without the knowledge of the role of
female members.The largest women's organization in the world should
be of interest to those who seek information about the LDS Church. LDS Relief
Society is the name. The women of the LDS Church play a vital role in the
welfare of members and non members in need world wide. The women of the LDS
Church are held in high esteem.
Try the place with the the real facts and the full story: Mormon.org
I DON'T CARE what a Romney Presidency would mean to the LDS church. I do
care that it would be extremely beneficial to our country.
Freudian slip, Montana? giggles...
@A Scientist, who write "Prayer does no good either way."It
seems you are guilty of false certainty, of the same type committed by those who
bear an unsupported or unfounded religious testimony. How is it that you claim
certainty of something you probably cannot be certain about?As a
scientist, if that is what you are, have you not seen the studies on positive
thinking? The results of positive thinking are undeniable. Positive thinking
does a lot of good. Prayer is a form of positive thinking. You can finish the
@ A Scientist Provo, UT"Why would Republicans knowingly vote for
a RINO? Isn't there already a liberal in the Whitehouse?"The question you should be asking, Why would Republicans, Democrats,
Independents and others knowingly vote barack in for 4 more years. Isn't
the economy doing poor enough with 1 term?
I sincerely hope that people try to find out what the LDS Church really is, and
don't judge it by Mitt Romney. It should be judged by the unnamed and
unidentified men, women and children who quietly life their faith on a
day-by-day basis (and do great things in the process) and not by a dishonest,
mendacious, manipulative politician like Romney.
Rifleman,I don't pray. I thought that was well-established.
Prayer does no good either way.Romney's record speaks for
itself: he has been a liberal his entire life, and especially as Governor in a
notoriously liberal state.I think true conservatives have a name for
that. RINO, is it?Why would Republicans knowingly vote for a RINO?
Isn't there already a liberal in the Whitehouse?
Oops, I meant "Google" searches, not "Good" searches.Let me wipe the egg off my face.
That would be interesting indeed, to sort the demographics of the people making
the Good searches. That's the kind of observation I would expect to see
from a scientist, especially a social scientist. Well stated, Scientist!
Re: A Scientist Provo, UTRomney's run for the US Presidency has
been very beneficial to the image of the LDS Church. You'd better hope and
pray, lots and lots of prayer, that he doesn't win the presidential race.
It will give the world a chance to see a decent man who lives his religion.
The searches on "Mormon" worry me. Folks who reference us as Mormon
usually do it in an unfavorable light. Whereas references to LDS are in a more
favorable light. I'd be interested in knowing what the Mormon vrs
LDS search stats are at Google. What is the trend between these two terms? If Romney/LDS is trending higher than Romney/Mormon, we may actually get a
fair shake, see an improvement of perceptions towards us. I encourage all
LDS to us "LDS" in their conversations over "Mormon" as much as
possible. Perhaps the twitter/FaceBook generation will discover it's easier
to type "LDS" than "Mormon" when doing a search.
It would be interesting to be able to tease apart the searches on the term
"Mormon" that are coming from non-Mormons who are "curious" from
the searches by Mormons themselves trying to see what is being said about them.
I suspect the second group accounts for a large part of the spike.