Comments about ‘Former Provo resident Nicholas J. Ivie killed patrolling U.S.-Mexico border’

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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 2 2012 8:19 p.m. MDT

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Montana Mormon
Miles City, MT

Scientist: Spot on! I say "ditto" to everything you said regarding this tragic loss.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

This agent was killed in a shoot out with drug smugglers, and so many comments go off on a tangent about illegal immigrants. Wave a magic wand to solve the immigrant issue, and we would still have a problem with drug smuggling. You want to clean up drug smuggling? Mind your own kids. Get them off drugs.

O'really
Idaho Falls, ID

@ Scientist Can't you see that your commenting on Romney right now is doing exactly what you accused Romney of doing?

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

Those weho protect us are truly heros. And those who pay the ultimate price secure for themselves a luster for their name that can never be dimished.

That recognized, what a trajedy for the surviving spouse and two young daughters. Tears must be shed both on earth and in heaven today.

Please excuse this thought: I wonder why Mexico has surrendered to the cartels, but then they've had issues for decades with the way their country is governed. That's why so many want to become Americans. We should every one be thankful we live in a free country where the standard of behavior is much different and where one can feel secure in their home.

DanO
Mission Viejo, CA

To all those that say the borders are going unprotected, what do you think Ivie was doing? A man gave his life doing what you claim isn't being done. What an incredible insult to his memory.

azresident
Mesa, AZ

Silently, they enter. In unknown numbers. Armed. Through our national parks and monuments. Armed. Into a van, onto the highway. Armed. Into the safe houses in our neighborhoods. Armed.

This is an invasion by armed men who will harm their own countrymen as well as Arizona citizens.

Secure the borders.

My thoughts and prayers to the family and friends of this man who would defend our country. Thank you for your service.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "A man gave his life doing what you claim isn't being done. What an incredible insult to his memory."

The incredible insult to his memory is committed by the reckless, feckless open borders crowd, who sent this selfless hero into harm's way without the proper resources to go safely because, for no reason other than to obtain unfair and illegal political advantage, they really don't want our borders to be secure.

That's the insult.

J-TX
Allen, TX

To paraphrase a past President: "Mr. Obama - Build Up That Wall!!!"

This has gone on long enough. It is only getting worse. Our congress is not going to solve the problem. A 12' wall with sensor-operated machine guns would do the trick. Why do we continue to fail to see this assault on our sovereignty for what it is - All Out War?

Domestic terrorism - and I include all violent crime committed by illegals - has killed thousands more than 911. And yet, for political expediency we ignore it.

Can someone please explain our lack of action to this poor widow and her fatherless children?

raybies
Layton, UT

The state of Arizona has already faced the nation's condemnation for attempting to solve this problem with an aggressive policy. The argument was that this is a federal jurisdiction.

People are dying. Where is Obama?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Border Joe AZ/BYU

So... Governor Brewer is politicizing a tragedy? That's pathetic.

casual observer
Salt Lake City, UT

Our reaction is, "Oh isn't that terrible," and then we go about business as usual. This man died in defense of our country's border integrity while our leaders seem paralyzed by not wanting to offend the president of Mexico or some ethnic voter group. Our look the other way policy on border security invites these tragedies. Where is Eric Holder?

Wayne Rout
El Paso, TX

Let's not forget the root cause of this tragedy. Liberal Democrat policies that leave the border open, ship guns to Mexican gangs, and coddle criminals will lead to more and more of this. I can't be sure that Mitt Romney will fix most of the problem, but for sure Obama will insure that the trouble continues. The liberal media will ignore this story and this fine man will have lost his life for nothing.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It is the commercial business interests need for cheap labor that causes the immigration problem(s). Not President Obama.

Cinci Man
FT MITCHELL, KY

Janet Napolitano has stated many times that our borders are more secure than ever before in the last 20 years. There is no need to elevate our equipment and staffing levels to give greater capacity to protect the borders because they are already more safe than President Bush made them. Come on Janet. Take the blinders off. We don't need to keep our borders porous as a bargaining tool with Mexico for other issues. And we don't need to give the drug cartels guns and ammunition in the attempt to track down the murdering drug cartel heads with Fast and Furious.

My heavy heart goes out to the families of these brave men and women who fight to protect us. My sincere prayers for all of you who have cause to mourn this tragedy.

ute alumni
Tengoku, UT

where's obama's statement on this? ambassador killed, cover-up, border agents killed, cover-up. i'd ask barry to come clean, but i know he won't

OHBU
Columbus, OH

"Secure our borders" sounds pretty easy. It's certainly easy to say. But how are you going to do it? The only way to completely close a border is to militarize it and authorize deadly force on anyone who tries to cross it (Berlin Wall, anyone?). Until we, as a country, are willing to kill people for trying to cross the border, it will remain porous. That's reality. I don't want to emulate the Soviet Union, do you?

Because of the high price for drugs created by our war on drugs, Cartels have millions upon millions of dollars. They have airplanes, boats, and submarines--not to mention the weapons they have. Sending in armed border patrol agents will result in casualties, on both sides. I'm not saying we shouldn't do what we do, I don't know the solution. But it's pretty naive to think that there's a way of stopping multi-million dollar, armed enterprises without ever having a casualty.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Where is Eric Holder?"

Huddled, no doubt, with the President and his advisers, figuring out how to cover up or concoct some clever catch phrase to explain away and weasel out of responsibility for the tragedy, particularly when it's discovered that gun that killed this American hero was another product of Obama's Fast-and-Furious-gate.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Until we, as a country, are willing to kill people for trying to cross the border, it will remain porous. That's reality."

No, it's Democrat election-year spin.

We have technology floating over Ft. Huachuca 24/7/365 that allows us to track several hundred individuals at a time along the entire border from Bisbee to Nogales. This military information is currently not shared with ICE/Border Patrol due to restrictions that the Obama regime could rescind with the stroke of a pen.

Doing so would allow us to vector in an appropriate number of ICE/Border Patrol agents, with appropriate overwatch and ready response, on any incursion, by foot, vehicle, or air, along the entire border, with fewer than a dozen aerostats.

Point is, this regime wants a porous border because it has promised several constituencies and the Mexican government a porous border.

It doesn't have to be so, but it's what they've cynically decided is best for them politically.

Even if Americans die because of it.

OHBU
Columbus, OH

re: procuradorfiscal

How is that spin? Show me an example of a secure border that doesn't include the use of lethal force? That only exists if there's not sufficient motivation for people to be crossing (that is, both countries are on equal economic footing). OK, so if you're to be believed, we can accurately find anyone crossing the border. What then? We deploy agents, and they confront heavily-armed drug cartel soldiers. Is that going to end somehow without loss of life? That's exactly what happened in this case. ICE knew about them, confronted them, and tragedy occurred. Same is going to happen no matter the method of detection. I find it hilarious that right-wingers who claim the supremacy of the market, and point to its ability to solve every problem, somehow don't understand that the huge potential for profit through drugs is going to create border problems.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
"So... Governor Brewer is politicizing a tragedy? That's pathetic."

Operation Fast and Furious resulted in the arming of Mexican drug dealers, the deaths of Americans, including at least one Border Patrol Agent, and the liberals expect us to stick our heads in the sand and pretend that it didn't happen.

Decent patriotic Americans should be shouting their disgust from their rooftops!!

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