Jim is an incumbent! New members will do a lot more for the benefit of this
country than incumbent if for no other reason than they won't have as much
time to be corrupted by the system. That goes for Mia as well as Jim.
Incumbents all say that they are a voice of reason for the country, except that
there is no reason going on in Washington D.C., only protection of the status
quo and an ever growing mess! Vote Jim Matheson out. He should resign and say
thank you Utahns. If not,boot'im!
@ SG in SLC writes: "Before you start playing the "Matheson =
Pelosi" card"Your facts and figures remind me of the saying:
“Liars figure and figures lie”. Throwing around percentages will
never win you one single convert. Fact of the matter is that Nancy Pelosi
needed Matheson's re-election in her unrealistic bid to regain her position
as Speaker of the House. Guess she'll just have to look elsewhere.
Who really cares? I, personally, think Matheson's experience is much more
valuable than Love's lack of experience, but in the end it won't
matter which one gets to Washington.
Re: Allen#2 WEST VALLEY CITY, UT"Bluto: Since twelve years is long
enough for Jim, how do you feel about the 36 years of Orrin Hatch?"Six years from now the Republicans will choose someone else to fill
Hatch's shoes. Democrats need not apply.
Bluto: Since twelve years is long enough for Jim, how do you feel about the 36
years of Orrin Hatch?
Twelve years is long enough Jim...We're tired and your tired.....Now go off and do something else.Enough!
Bluejean,don't be too hard on Blue, he/she did not refer to Mia using
a vulgar term for a woman's reproductive organs as did one of BO's
large contributors in reference to Palin's daughter. Of course, the left
was perfectly happy with that slur, because, after all, it was a conservative
woman he was slurring.
@SG in SLCHow many times did Jim Matheson vote for non-Democratic
house leadership?How many times did Jason Chaffetz vote for
non-Republican house leadership?How many times did Rob Bishop vote
for non-Republican house leadership?That would be Zero, Zero, and
Zero.So, in response to your statement "that "a vote for
Matheson is a vote for Pelosi" doesn't quite square with reality",
really isn't such the departure from reality that you assert.This election is about the direction of our country. It is about future
generations and what kind of society they were inherit from us.Each
elected official becomes a member of a coalition in Washington. Unfortunately,
those coalitions are currently formed around the two major political parties.
I vehemently disagree with the direction of the Democratic Party has
taken us.Therefore, my vote goes to Mia Love because she will be
part of a coalition that seeks to reverse the direction we have been taken over
the last six years.
A couple of responses - To UtahBlueDevil - You said
"I think you will find his party affiliation defies your presumed judgement
of my political leanings" hmmm - Just what is my judgement
concerning your political leanings? I said "Your viewpoint and
bias is loud and clear as evidenced by your many posts."You seem
to take offense that your biases have come out in your posts.You are
responsible for what you write and others will make judgements based on what you
offer. If you have a problem with those judgements, (of which I offered none
other than the criticize your assertion that there should be no bias in the
DNews) then change what you are offering. You control your
brand.As far as holding the DNews to a"higher standard",
They are a business. They have to monetize their offering in order to stay in
business. They appeal to the predominate crowd here in Utah. There
are a multitude of media outlets that appeal to different markets. As far as I can tell, the DNews has never claimed to be an impartial purveyor
of information. Why, I have heard that they even have an editorial
board and offer opinions!
Re: Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT"People here claim to be
unbiased, ..."Baloney!! People in Utah are no more nor no less
biased than people any where else in the United States. And no, there is no
badge of honor associated with running around without an opinion.
A Republican winning in Utah... How is this news... Real news would be if
Matheson won again. He has done a great job for Utah despite all the efforts,
time and again, to vote him out for being a Democrat. People here claim to be
unbiased, yet most Utahns I meet can't get past the R and the D on election
day. Funny and sad at the same time. I vote for who I believe will
do the best job. Some Republicans get my votes, some Democrats. I wish more
people would grow up and do the same. I understand it's easy to just claim
a party and go with it. When a person does that, it's easy for them to
find a 'friend' who'll support them after the fact ... all they
have to do is look to another member of their party and they get
'congratulated' for a job well done.
I am tempted to move to the 4th. district just so I can vote for Mia Love...I
have been counting on one hand what Mr. Matheson has done for us...I am still
thinking and I still have a thumb and four fingers left...I'll keep
I live in the 4th District and am happy that at last we CAN vote for Jim
Matheson - THE only moderate national voice from Utah. I have met Mia Love where
she spoke to a small gathering of neighbors and think she is quite smart...until
I read her ideas to slash benefits for the poor and needy.Will the
Republican Party of Utah be satisfied when they have ALL Republican Utah elected
officials to national offices and the Republican veto-proof legislature - OR
will they beg for more super PAC money from the RNC to have every elected
official in Utah a Republican?
But actually even Sarah Palin is miles ahead of Mia Love. "All gut, no
brain," it was said of Palin in 2008. Like Palin, Mia Love appeals to our
baser instincts, our gut--only more so.
I can't believe it! Utah is going to dump Jim Matheson for Sarah Palin
(i.e., Mia Love). It makes me ashamed to live in Utah County.
@Blue: Your assertion that Mia Love is stupid like Sarah Palin is highly
insulting to all women and and any thinking person. These are both caring,
hardworking and smart women who are attacked simply because they are
conservative women. The idea that they can do well must scare the stuffing out
of democrats and liberals. The liberals think they are such lofty friends to
women but constantly reduce women as simply a voting block that cares only about
their reproductive organs. It's truly ridiculous. They couldn't even
come to grips with putting their own Hillary Clinton in the White House. Blue,
do you actually know any women that you like and think are intelligent or do we
all have cotton candy brains?
What a great piece of news. I pray Utah elects nothing but Pubs with
conservative ideals, ideas and patriotism that Love has shown. Here is Ca., we
have so many liberal Dems in office, that our state is going bankrupt. Now if
this Love House race goes her way, it will keep Pelosi from ever again being
Speaker and help the entire nation not to fall into the destruction that liberal
Dems have foisted on Ca.
JMT, by that logic, California should have zero Republican congressmen. Even San
Francisco liberals aren't anywhere near so brazen about gerrymandering- for
now.House districts are supposed to represent a cohesive
geopolitical area. SL County voted Democrat in the last national election.
Matheson has won most of his elections quite handily (by a ~14 point average).
The only times he's been in any danger are the years immediately following
redistricting, when the Legislature's careful neighborhood-by-neighborhood
gerrymandering is fresh. Just four years of post-census moving and growth is
enough to mix up their gerrymandered political boundaries and restore things
towards the equilibrium where Matheson wins handily.All those of you
rooting for tight gerrymandering to successfully force him out of his seat are
really rooting for the overthrow of representative government, and this will
likely come back to bite you as the extreme left gains power throughout the
country.Finally, Matheson has had nothing to do with the
mud-slinging in this race; every time anybody's brought up things like Mia
Lov's immigration story, he won't touch that, instead bringing it back
to how they differ on the issues.
I am a supporter of the Republican cause and am in no way a bleeding heart
liberal however I have to take issue with those that are personally attacking
Dan Jones and the way he practices business. The man does not do push polling.
Neither is he a schill for Democrats. He does the polling and has done the
polling for several Republicans, Gary Herbert being one of them. Those
personally attacking Dr. Jones need to understand that he is honest and speaks
his mind. I think in this case he has a legitimate point there have been some
Gerrymandering in Utah. Look at the boundaries and how skewed they are in favor
of the Republicans so far as the congressional districts goes. Further, this
kind of activity is killing participation in Utah. Enough with
defamation people. Debate issues attack reasoning but to attack the character of
an upstanding citizen is beyond the pale.
The poll is skewed. It's the lame stream media introducing conservative
bias into all the polls. Yeah that must be it.
Re: Bill McGee Alpine, UT"But don't start complaining when your
kids can't get a Pell Grant or student loan ...."No, if Mia
Love is elected children won't starve, police officers will still get
bullet proof vests, and there will still be firemen to put out fires.
Matheson's mud slinging campaign ads laced with fear of dire consequences
have backfired on him. Perhaps Matheson should get Obama, Nancy
Pelosi, and Harry Reid to come to Utah and campaign for him. Well ..... maybe
that wouldn't be such a good idea.
@grundel...Well, if you have concluded something about my bias, you
are filtering it through your own. I am actually right now working on Pat
McCrory's campaign for Governor n NC.... I think you will find his party
affiliation defies your presumed judgement of my political leanings. I am in
fact an Independent - grew up Republican and very active in politics. And yes,
I find the tea party absurd.What I do object to is people passing
off falsehoods as facts and 2) the DN, as owned by my church, pretending to be
an independent voice, when it is clearly not. So what if it is right leaning,
this is not a problem. And yes, I do hold the DN to a much higher standard than
any other outlet than other by virtue of who its owner is. What's the problem with the DN declaring its allegiances or supporting a
candidate? It would gain far more credibility if it acted openly and
transparently. I too listen to NPR, read FoxNews, and many others. When you
know someone's POV, you can better contextualize what they say. That
isn't necessarily a bad or negative thing.
@Red SmithBefore you start playing the "Matheson = Pelosi"
card, you might be interested to know that in all of the Congressional roll call
votes since October 2007, Jason Chaffetz has voted on the same side as Nancy
Pelosi 22% of the time, and Rob Bishop has voted on the same side as Nancy
Pelosi 23% of the time. Granted, in the Congressional roll call votes since
October 2007 Jim Matheson has voted on the same side as Nancy Pelosi 59% of the
time, but that means that he has voted IN OPPOSITION to Nancy Pelosi 41% of the
time (absences and abstentions have been factored out). So, the claim that
"a vote for Matheson is a vote for Pelosi" doesn't quite square
with reality (at least 41% of the time).Oh, and by the way, Mike Lee
has voted on the same side as Harry Reid 30% of the time, and Orrin Hatch has
voted on the same side as Harry Reid 40% of the time.(Source: OpenCongress
website, Head-to-Head Voting Comparison)It would be refreshing if
the guilt-by-association arguments would be retired in favor of substantive
discussions of candidates.
"If those who drew the districts want Utah to remain as a one-party state,
they've done a darn good job of it."Sounds like someone is
upset here, and that someone happens to be married to a Democratic legislator in
this state. Oh, and that person also just happens to be the pollster--Dan Jones.
His obvious bias gets in the way--again.Dan's good at "push
polling." And that's about it.DesNews, find someone else.
It sounds like the Utah Dems are coming out of their holes. I also take issue
with the gerrymandering comment. Redistricting was taken very seriously this
past year and in no way was it rigged to eliminate Matheson. He has represented
the second district which is just as Republican as other districts in the state.
What Matheson and other Dems don't understand is that we are facing a
fiscal cliff. If we don't turn it around very shortly, then don't
worry about Pell grants or other legislative candy. It will of necessity be
eliminated because over 90 percent of the budget will be paying for entitlements
such as social security, Medicare, and now Obamacare. Our country is facing a
Greek-like bankruptsy with no one to bail us out. We need Mia Love to vote for
legislation supporting a Romney/Ryan budget, not Jim Matheson who will support
an Obama/Pelosi spending binge with no budget. The voters in the fourth district
need someone who represents them, not big government, special interest
Washington as defined by the Democrat party.
Bill McGeeLike all good democrats you are trying to run from
responsibilities and accountabilities, instead of helping wants to be helped.Please put some fight and try to be self-suffient
Some have commented about the pollster, Mr. Dan Jones. I don't understand
why the Deseret News uses him (and pays him) to poll. He is a democrat and his
wife is a state legislator in the leadership of the democratic minority in the
state House of Representatives. Furthermore, no one looks over his shoulder to
keep him honest as he compiles his poll numbers. If one were to
track his polls over the years, one would find that he is wrong as often as he
is right, and when he is right, it's due to obvious factors inherent in the
State of Utah: the majority of voters are Republicans, and hence a Republican
has the better chance of winning a general election than a democrat - and it
doesn't take a poll to reveal that fact.I urge the Deseret News
to change its pollster and go with someone who does not have the bias baggage
and poor record of Mr. Jones.
Mia Love can speak in complete sentences.To Utah conservatives, that
makes her an intellectual.But when you listen to what she's
saying, it's cotton candy for the brain. When she's pressed about
plans to improve health care financing or deficit reduction or addressing
crumbling infrastructure she delivers stock right wing word salad and bumper
sticker slogans. She's Sarah Palin all over again.First Mike
Lee, now Mia Love. Good grief. Utah politics have become downright surreal.
Mia Love was flat out embarrassing in the debates. When Matheson brought up the
fact that she wanted to eliminate the Department of Energy and pointed out how a
big majority of the budget is for storing and managing Nuclear material, she
just got upset and said, "You are being condescending."Uh,
no he's not. How do you propose to keep the nuclear materiel guarded--or
do you think we shouldn't guard it? As an afterthought, Mia said the DoD
could take over that function--the one that is facing huge cutbacks in funding
and personnel. Gee whiz Mia, outside of latching on to Rick Perry's idea
for the sake of a talking point, what were you thinking?Ignorance
like that is frightening. Congratulations Utah, you will get you're all
GOP seats--heavy on rhetoric, light on intelligence. To have the capital city
divided into fourths to get all GOP in Utah is a disgrace. Shame on you GOP!I guess we will have to have volunteers to guard the Nukes if Mia has
here way! YEAH! Don't drop the warhead butterfingers...LOL.
Yeah, Mia Love is great. Says she's against raising taxes and then votes to
raise them 3 separate times. Claims the same old tea party line of being
fiscally responsible and then gives herself a 25 percent pay raise. Takes
student loans but believes no one else should. She simply repeats all the same
tired tea party mantras and then uses Obama and Pelosi's names as boogeymen
in her ads and gets all the faux news/am radio automatons in a tizzy and
that's all it takes.Yeah, shes great. People on these boards are
filled with such glowing praise for her, and it's only painfully obvious
from her performance in the debates that she's not smart enough or
qualified enough to represent this district. She's Utah's Sarah Palin,
Jim Matheson = Nancy Pelosi What more needs to be said.Jim Matheson
votes the Obama line which is not representative of Utah.It's
time for a change. We need a new fresh lovely female voice for
Utah's 4th District. Please Vote For MIA LOVE! - The First
Black, Female Republican Congresswoman
Go ahead and vote for Mia Love. But don't start complaining when your kids
can't get a Pell Grant or student loan, because Mia wants to cut those
(even though she used them herself.) Don't just sit there when you start
reading stories about how the poor children in Utah (we are 4th in the nation!)
can't afford school lunches and Utah children are going to bed hungry,
because Mia wants to cut programs that help our most vulnerable citizens.
Don't complain when you can't afford to put your Mom in a decent
nursing home because Mia wants to cut the programs that make that possible for
most American families. Everyone wants to cut programs in principle, but not
when the reality means your college-aged kids suddenly have no health insurance,
or you lose your Social Security because the stock market crashes. Be careful
what you wish for, because when it takes too long for an underfunded police or
fire department to respond to your emergency, and you start seeing disabled
veterans sitting on street corners begging for money because Mia cut their
benefits, this will be your fault.
@UtahBlueDevil,The real pretense is pretending that there is no
bias. Your viewpoint and bias is loud and clear as evidenced by
your many posts. I am sure that my bias is also as transparent.
I can accept criticism of the DNew's bias when you can show me
a media outlet that has no bias. My radio consumption (2 hours a
day) is NPR. They try hard to hide their bias and they fail miserably.
That's alright with me as I recognize it and enjoy the programming
anyway.I am happy that Mia Love is doing well and I will be voting
for her next month (I know...I am biased)Congressman Matheson is a
good man and a good representative. I voted for him in the past. However, he
supports the Democratic leadership that is, in my opinion, choosing the wrong
path for our country. This is, again in my opinion, a fatal
flaw.I support Mia Love.
As a Democrat, I think Love might as well win this election. Mattheson is a
closet Democrat, or closet Republican, whichever way you want to call it. To
try and save his seat, he'll vote for Democratic bills in committee, only
to be "let of the hook" by Pelosi if his vote isn't needed in the
end. Since the current Democrat in this seat doesn't vote with
the Democrats when he can avoid it, just put in a real Republican.And did someone actually suggest that a media/polling organization located in
Utah is biased for the Liberals? That conservative bubble just keeps getting
smaller and smaller, by their own doing. At some point, when it's a
handful claiming everyone else is against them, it has become a you problem
Matheson and I grew up together and I have supported him in all of his campaigns
except 2010 and this one. I'm an independent moderate and try to cast my
vote for the individual I believe will do the best job for Utah. I'm still
doing my research on Ms Love, but I plan to vote for her as I cannot support
anyone who supports Obama, Reid, Pelosi, etc. The Democratic party has moved so
far to the left in the last 4-6 years and anyone/anything that supports such an
extreme agenda does not have my support. The Republicans certainly have to
share in the blame of the current mess, but imagine Obama without the concern of
re-election pushing his Socialistic agenda. Our best hope is the Republicans
gain control of the Senate and retain the House to keep Obama somewhat in
check.Jim's very bright and I'm sure he'll do just
fine in the private sector, but his congressional career is in serious jeopardy
thanks to his national Democratic Party.
Leesha - haven't done that.... and likely wouldn't be able to get the
resources to run something on just a singular person of frankly low
importance.His comments aside, it isn't in dispute whether or
not district 4 was carved out of Salt Lake County, and mixed with Utah County to
create a new district that is statistically Republican. Salt Lake County was
coming very close to becoming split between Democrats and Republicans. 48
percent of Salt Lake Valley voted for Obama last election. The question of if
there was a political bias included in the calculations in the creation of
district 4 is not really in doubt. What Jones said isn't really anything
that either side would deny. Gerrymandering districts is a practice utilized by
both sides, neither has clean hands with this regard.Denying that it
happens or is part of the political process on the other hand really shows some
naiveness. In the Northeast and California, the practice swings the other way.
Utah is not unique here.
Let me correct myself before someone else does. Utah had two women in Congress
previously in the 90's - Karen Shepherd and Enid Green. My mistake.
I've been away too long.
t702 said "....first black woman in Congress all in the same year."Correction - First black Republican woman in Congress, or first woman
from Utah in Congress, or first black person from Utah in Congress. But not
first black woman in Congress. The Democrats elected the first
black woman in Congress in 1968. That would be 44 years ago, which should say
something...shouldn't it? I'm glad the Republicans are finally
catching up with the times.
@UtahBlueDevil:What about The Dan Jones bias in this article? You should
run your software analysis for his comments. And he is supposed to be an
What I don't understand is why the DN just doesn't come right out and
endorse candidates. Here where I work we make software that does content
categorization and sentiment analysis. Running these tools against the DN, the
bias is very clear. Why doesn't the DN just come straight out and say what
science and math shows. This pretense of being unbiased and not aligned with a
particularly party is hollow at best. That said, there is nothing
wrong with having a point of view. What is simply annoying is pretending that
you don't have that bias. None of this is surprising
considering the environment the DN operates. Utah has no political dialog. So
these results aren't surprising, nor unexpected. Anyone with an R next to
their name would beat anyone with a D next to their name - no disrespect to Ms.
Dear Mr. Matheson: I'm so tired of the mud you and your party are slinging
at Mia Love. Every time I see one of your commercials I think of Nancy Pelosi,
Minority Leader of the US House of Representatives. She needs you if she wants
to regain her power.Mia Love is a breath of fresh air in the dirty
game of politics.
Utah is a Republican state with roughly 60%+ voting that way on the whole. The
only way they could create a Democratic seat for Matheson is to Gerrymander all
the Democrats into one seat. How ironic. Sadly, Dan Jones just
showed MASSIVE bias with this one statement. Todays media and pollsters seem to
share this blatant Democratic bias. I'm disappointed Mr Jones would be so
blatant.But its good to know.
Matheson does NOT represent Utah. It's time for his duplicitousness to
end. Go Mia!
Did you watch the debates? Matheson doesn't really advocate cutting
ANYTHING. Every program helps someone, and someone depends on it. Gee, I
wonder why we're so many trillions in the red. Matheson needs to find
another opportunity to be a career politician, or better yet find another
I personally believe that Mr Matheson is falling behind because of the "mud
throwing" he and his party have tossed at Ms Love. I was disgusted when I
saw all the negative ads directed at Ms Love. My take is that Mr Matheson is
not running a "how I can help you" campaign, he is running a "smash
the competition" campaign. Doesn't set well with me. Wish he would
Mia is a rising star, when you stand firm on conservative principles you win
every time. First Mormon president and first black woman in congress all in the
same year. How cool is that?
The legislature didn't redistrict Rep. Matheson out of the 2nd district. He
lives in the current 2nd and new 2nd district. The new 2nd district and 4th
district are reportedly both as republican as his current district. He chose to
run in the 4th district because he resides in Utah and the US constitution
doesn't say he has to run in his own district. Unless he moves, he
won't be able to vote for himself this fall.