You've got to be kidding me. Everyone with an ounce of sense knows the
invasion is costing taxpayers big-time, running up deficits all over the
country, and taking jobs away from our citizens. This DREAM Act stuff is an
attempt at being politically correct, pandering to the cheap-labor lobby, and
saddling the taxpayers further. Maybe we ought to think twice about letting
people like Michael Bloomberg outline our policies and control our future.
Now these young people can join the ranks of other Americans who also dream of
working in their chosen field of study but find no jobs and are stuck with
student loan debt. Another reality, many professional fields require a
background check, such as law enforcement, school teachers, day care etc. How
shameful it is to provide these people with a false dream and saddle them with
debt. Shame on their irresponsible parents.
The Center for American Progress is a ultra level think tank and supporter of
the Dream act and illegal immigration.The Federal government
contributes $6,000 per student in college and vocational colleges. That's
12 billion a year to educate foreign students so they can take jobs from
Americans. That's if they get a degree. But here is the rub, they have ten
years to do this, they can work, and they only need to finish two years of
school. They don't need to graduate. Ten years of work, start a family, get
all the social services for your family including schooling for the children
that are born here and citizens. Once you get citizenship, you can support all
your family, and your spouses family.Not enough, if the government
feels you are a hardship case you don't have to finish school. And families
with children 12-18 cannot be deported. It's a con job to supply cheap
labor for business, and to flood the country with millions of relatives.
to M.Sanchez...would you like to have them without education in the street
selling drugs or being good citizens and professionals helping this country?
Good for them, a great opportunity and many dreams to achieve. I DO really
understand the sacrifice of their parents, not easy or correct situation, but
once again not easy. good luck to these young dreamers!
Center for American Progress (CAP) is an idea generator for Obamas Washington
founded by two open border businessmen, who want a steady stream of cheap labor
to keep America’s wages down. CAPs chairman, John Podesta, is a part-time
adviser to the State Department. Surprised? We need to take care
of American, and get everyone working. We can't even take care of our own,
and the last people to demand entitlements, should be those here illegally.
As Gregg Easterbrook used to say, Torture numbers and they'll confess to
anything.John Podesta's progressive people are masters at telling us
how wonderful life would be in an ultra-liberal world. Do you recall that he
led Obama's transition team into the White House in 2009?I would
expect nothing less from the Center for American Progress. What concerns me is
that Deseret News would echo his tripe. Are you doing this to sell newspapers?
Or are you grasping at anything to support your position on illegal aliens?
Illegal aliens are exactly that..ILLEGAL. I guess if we stop deporting
illegals, we should stop punishing any lawbreakers, eh Deseret News??? Give me
Who are we kidding? Somehow, I don't think immigrants are going to save our
economy. You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. That
someone is us. $15 trillion in debt now. $20 trillion in another four years.
Worthless currency. That all equals nobody coming to America anymore. It sounds
like the only dreamers are the ones who think people are going to keep
immigrating to our country.
This study makes a lot of sense - let's have Stalen extol the virues of the
Soviet system while we're at it.Here's my idea for the
DREAM Act. To be eligible you must:have been brought as a child -
13 years old or younger, and be younger than 25.have NO criminal
record - not even jaywalking or truancyserved honorably in the US
militaryCANNOT sponsor family members or anyone else to reside in
the UStheir parents must return to their home countries.
Funny the report does not state how many would sign up for food stamps, medicaid
and the like. Must be an oversight.
I am shocked at Deseret. Center for American Progress IS Obama's admin. If
the dream act goes into effect, I predict the Americans that are currently
hiring some of the illegals will do their own work to save money. I also
predict Americans that pay taxes will be tired of paying for illegals HC,
College, Welfare, Child Birth, Court costs for drunk drivers; child molesters;
murderers and drug charges and finally; Drivers License (yes Ca wants to provide
Drivers License's to illegals to make the roads safer.
...and in other news:McDonald believes eating hamburgers daily is
part of healthy diet.(Study Funded by McDonalds)How did
this garbage even make it into print? What is passed off as news in this
country would make Castro, Stalin, Marx, and Hitler proud.Nothing
but a steady stream of political propaganda.Illegal immigration is a
complicated and convoluted situation to put it mildly but to suddenly believe
that it is a solution to the country and its ills?People ought to
evaluate the source and its known political associates and realize that this
steaming pile is just part of the larger agenda of coordinated disinformation by
our media and the people currently at the top who essentially write what they
will say and pass off as news.
Wow! What a bunch of sheep...following the anti-immigrant talking points. Read a
little and learn about the benefits that have come from our open borders and the
contributions by immigrants to our great country. We could change their
"illegal" status in two ways: 1-do a better job of border enforcement.
2-change our ridiculous immigration laws that make entry easy for the bad guys
and almost impossibly difficult for the good guys. I prefer #2. Unless you are a
Native American you are either an immigrant or a descendent of immigrants, so
take a chill pill. Aren't you grateful for the more reasonable and
welcoming policies that enabled you or your ancestors to come to America? Are
you any better than others who see opportunity here for their families? Are you
so afraid of competition that you fear for your jobs? I thought conservatives
were in favor of free markets and competition! What is "free market"
about restricting access to our country? It's selfishness and isolationism
and protectionism at its worst. And, what does Stalin have to do with this
conversation? How about some civil dialog on this topic, rather than
anger, hyperbole, and thoughtless talking points!
@oldcougar: I wish I could like your post 1,000 times. You are a voice in the
oldcougar,I don't consider myself conservative, but I usually
vote for conservatives running for office given my strong dislike for liberals.
Liberals are the ones today favoring increased government regulation, including
the ridiculously unfair and unintelligible immigration code you have pointed
out. Don't be so quick to blame conservatives for the immigration laws. I
have a sneaking hunch it is the liberals, who have recently been running
Washington for the most part, who are to blame for them.
@oldcougar and Janet.Just what is YOUR number for immigration? We're
issuing a million green cards a year, even with double-digit inflation.
Somebody is getting in legally. Is your number TWO million? Three?And
when you tell the grand story of the immigrant, don't believe for a minute
that they are the same as illegal aliens. They are two different issues.Rational people know that someone who wants to fix the illegal alien problem
is not anti-immigrant as you suggest.
Oldcougar,wow, what a sheep! repeating the open borders talking points.
How about some civil dialog on this topic, rather than anger, hyperbole, and
thoughtless talking points?Why do you insist on mixing legal and
illegal aliens? I have always posted that legal immigrants are
welcome, and yes, their contributions ARE significant. Why do you insist on
lumping the criminal in with the law-abiding?
I'm not sure which is more pathetic, the fact that two of you invoked the
name Stalin... or the fact that one of you misspelled Stalin.
From most of these comments I conclude that Utahns are cold hearted and bigoted.
And JayTee the dreamers are not after all citizens jobs, just yours.
I think that the Dream Act sounds like a good idea. I understand that Obama has
deported more immigrants than any other President, but we aren't hearing
these things since the media wants us to vote for him. They are giving drivers
licenses to illegals in CAlifornia now, so they can use them to vote for Obama.
He never took action until he wanted votes, and will probably forget all his
promises when the election is over, just like last time. I think Romney is
more likely to keep his promises.
Mike in Cedar,so everyone who disagrees with you is cold hearted and
bigoted? What a bigoted thing to say!alt134,nothing
constructive to add?
firstamendment,I would not at all be surprised if Obama has deported
more immigrants. More laborers in America means more competition. This goes
totally against the unions and guilds to whom President Obama is so beholden. It
only makes logical sense to me that Obama, unless it is politically expedient at
a given moment in time, such as in the case in CA that you've pointed out,
will oppose immigration. Immigration equals competition which equals bad news
for unions which ultimately equals bad news for the politicians they, the
Yeah. Same old, same old.....mixing the legal with illegal immigration. Is it
just to confuse people? How can anyone think that having people here that draw
off of our social service and education budgets with very little paying into
them can make good economical sense?One of the chief subjects in
this campaign is JOBS. Through identity thefts and payment under the table
thousands of American citizen's jobs have been lost. Is there any concern
shown about these facts? These facts should be one of the primary concerns when
we talk about the high unemployment rate.
Obama has deported less than Bush. His administration has added those turned
away at the border. Sometimes the people have been turned away several times,
and counted each time. Apprehensions for immigration violations
peaked at 1.8 million in 2000 but dropped to 516,992 in 2010—the lowest
level since 1972. source: Federal Justice Statistics Program Obama's program to deport violent criminals does not deport people
committing ID theft, or sex offenders. Check it out, the list of offenses
deported is very minor. Over a million green cards and 2.5 million
visas with 23 million unemployed or looking for full time work. Compassion to
those here legally is needed. The game of cheap labor needs to stop.
I wish somebody could explain how educating more people means that there will be
more jobs available. The article said that the economy would improve because
there would be more college graduates.Don't we already have a
lot of college graduates that are out of work? So, how does it help to add more
to the mix?
bloomberg and murdock are not liberals so if they like the dream act it is for
cooks and house keepers for the rich. they are billionaires. cheap help is the
bread and butter of consevatives. they hate unions and anthing that helps the
working class. they would have company owned houseing and stores like in the
early 1900s with no hope of a better future as long as they make more money.
money is their god and the only thing they care about. the deadly sin is greed
it controls our country super pacs prove this and with them no truth is known,
because there is no check or rule of law to govern them. they say anthing they
want and can not be stoped from telling untruths.the party system is brocken and
needs to go.
@IketAnd Yet, it is the extreme left that is proposing and extolling
these "cheap labor" policies and programs.How do you explain
that?It is the right that is desiring the closing borders to all but
LEGAL immigrants, which would cause an INCREASE in labor costs.SO
again, ow do you explain that?Me thinks you got something backwards
@RichardB:"It's a con job to supply cheap labor for
business, and to flood the country with millions of relatives."It's a con job alright... so that Obama can secure the Hispanic vote in
the next presidential election.
The Washington Post, New York Times and Chronicle of Higher Education have all
reported that PhDs with STEM degrees (even recent grads) are doing temp office
work. 1.8 million Americans with engineering degrees are not working in
engineering, but the President showed Jennifer Wedell (and everyone else) he
either doesn't care or is clueless. Huffington Post-MBA mows lawns for a
living. Chronicle of Higher Education- PhD comes with food stamps. Washington
Post -U.S. pushes for more scientists, but the jobs aren’t there.Why does everyone focus on how "immigrants" will benefit from U.S.
immigration policies but not not how Americans will be impacted; especially
those of us at the bottom ?Shouldn't the effects of these policies on
our own people, especially those who are already struggling, be our primary
concern? Not how we can benefit foreign nationals.It's immoral to
have an immigration policy that hurts the poorest working , or trying to work,