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  • AmberDru Xenia, OH
    Oct. 5, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    The Washington Post, New York Times and Chronicle of Higher Education have all reported that PhDs with STEM degrees (even recent grads) are doing temp office work. 1.8 million Americans with engineering degrees are not working in engineering, but the President showed Jennifer Wedell (and everyone else) he either doesn't care or is clueless. Huffington Post-MBA mows lawns for a living. Chronicle of Higher Education- PhD comes with food stamps. Washington Post -U.S. pushes for more scientists, but the jobs aren’t there.

    Why does everyone focus on how "immigrants" will benefit from U.S. immigration policies but not not how Americans will be impacted; especially those of us at the bottom ?
    Shouldn't the effects of these policies on our own people, especially those who are already struggling, be our primary concern? Not how we can benefit foreign nationals.
    It's immoral to have an immigration policy that hurts the poorest working , or trying to work, Americans.

  • Alfred Ogden, UT
    Oct. 4, 2012 12:05 a.m.

    @RichardB:

    "It's a con job to supply cheap labor for business, and to flood the country with millions of relatives."

    It's a con job alright... so that Obama can secure the Hispanic vote in the next presidential election.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 6:29 p.m.

    @Iket

    And Yet, it is the extreme left that is proposing and extolling these "cheap labor" policies and programs.

    How do you explain that?

    It is the right that is desiring the closing borders to all but LEGAL immigrants, which would cause an INCREASE in labor costs.

    SO again, ow do you explain that?

    Me thinks you got something backwards somewhere.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    bloomberg and murdock are not liberals so if they like the dream act it is for cooks and house keepers for the rich. they are billionaires. cheap help is the bread and butter of consevatives. they hate unions and anthing that helps the working class. they would have company owned houseing and stores like in the early 1900s with no hope of a better future as long as they make more money. money is their god and the only thing they care about. the deadly sin is greed it controls our country super pacs prove this and with them no truth is known, because there is no check or rule of law to govern them. they say anthing they want and can not be stoped from telling untruths.the party system is brocken and needs to go.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 4:06 p.m.

    I wish somebody could explain how educating more people means that there will be more jobs available. The article said that the economy would improve because there would be more college graduates.

    Don't we already have a lot of college graduates that are out of work? So, how does it help to add more to the mix?

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    Obama has deported less than Bush. His administration has added those turned away at the border. Sometimes the people have been turned away several times, and counted each time.

    Apprehensions for immigration violations peaked at 1.8 million in 2000 but dropped to 516,992 in 2010—the lowest level since 1972. source: Federal Justice Statistics Program

    Obama's program to deport violent criminals does not deport people committing ID theft, or sex offenders. Check it out, the list of offenses deported is very minor.

    Over a million green cards and 2.5 million visas with 23 million unemployed or looking for full time work. Compassion to those here legally is needed. The game of cheap labor needs to stop.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    Yeah. Same old, same old.....mixing the legal with illegal immigration. Is it just to confuse people? How can anyone think that having people here that draw off of our social service and education budgets with very little paying into them can make good economical sense?

    One of the chief subjects in this campaign is JOBS. Through identity thefts and payment under the table thousands of American citizen's jobs have been lost. Is there any concern shown about these facts? These facts should be one of the primary concerns when we talk about the high unemployment rate.

  • killpack Sandy, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    firstamendment,

    I would not at all be surprised if Obama has deported more immigrants. More laborers in America means more competition. This goes totally against the unions and guilds to whom President Obama is so beholden. It only makes logical sense to me that Obama, unless it is politically expedient at a given moment in time, such as in the case in CA that you've pointed out, will oppose immigration. Immigration equals competition which equals bad news for unions which ultimately equals bad news for the politicians they, the unions, support.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 12:23 p.m.

    Mike in Cedar,
    so everyone who disagrees with you is cold hearted and bigoted? What a bigoted thing to say!

    alt134,
    nothing constructive to add?

  • firstamendment Lehi, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    I think that the Dream Act sounds like a good idea. I understand that Obama has deported more immigrants than any other President, but we aren't hearing these things since the media wants us to vote for him. They are giving drivers licenses to illegals in CAlifornia now, so they can use them to vote for Obama. He never took action until he wanted votes, and will probably forget all his promises when the election is over, just like last time. I think Romney is more likely to keep his promises.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Oct. 2, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    From most of these comments I conclude that Utahns are cold hearted and bigoted. And JayTee the dreamers are not after all citizens jobs, just yours.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    I'm not sure which is more pathetic, the fact that two of you invoked the name Stalin... or the fact that one of you misspelled Stalin.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    Oldcougar,
    wow, what a sheep! repeating the open borders talking points. How about some civil dialog on this topic, rather than anger, hyperbole, and thoughtless talking points?

    Why do you insist on mixing legal and illegal aliens?

    I have always posted that legal immigrants are welcome, and yes, their contributions ARE significant. Why do you insist on lumping the criminal in with the law-abiding?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 10:47 a.m.

    @oldcougar and Janet.
    Just what is YOUR number for immigration? We're issuing a million green cards a year, even with double-digit inflation. Somebody is getting in legally. Is your number TWO million? Three?
    And when you tell the grand story of the immigrant, don't believe for a minute that they are the same as illegal aliens. They are two different issues.
    Rational people know that someone who wants to fix the illegal alien problem is not anti-immigrant as you suggest.

  • killpack Sandy, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 10:42 a.m.

    oldcougar,

    I don't consider myself conservative, but I usually vote for conservatives running for office given my strong dislike for liberals. Liberals are the ones today favoring increased government regulation, including the ridiculously unfair and unintelligible immigration code you have pointed out. Don't be so quick to blame conservatives for the immigration laws. I have a sneaking hunch it is the liberals, who have recently been running Washington for the most part, who are to blame for them.

  • Janet Ontario, OR
    Oct. 2, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    @oldcougar: I wish I could like your post 1,000 times. You are a voice in the wilderness!

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    Wow! What a bunch of sheep...following the anti-immigrant talking points. Read a little and learn about the benefits that have come from our open borders and the contributions by immigrants to our great country. We could change their "illegal" status in two ways: 1-do a better job of border enforcement. 2-change our ridiculous immigration laws that make entry easy for the bad guys and almost impossibly difficult for the good guys. I prefer #2. Unless you are a Native American you are either an immigrant or a descendent of immigrants, so take a chill pill. Aren't you grateful for the more reasonable and welcoming policies that enabled you or your ancestors to come to America? Are you any better than others who see opportunity here for their families? Are you so afraid of competition that you fear for your jobs? I thought conservatives were in favor of free markets and competition! What is "free market" about restricting access to our country? It's selfishness and isolationism and protectionism at its worst. And, what does Stalin have to do with this conversation?
    How about some civil dialog on this topic, rather than anger, hyperbole, and thoughtless talking points!

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    ...and in other news:

    McDonald believes eating hamburgers daily is part of healthy diet.

    (Study Funded by McDonalds)

    How did this garbage even make it into print? What is passed off as news in this country would make Castro, Stalin, Marx, and Hitler proud.

    Nothing but a steady stream of political propaganda.

    Illegal immigration is a complicated and convoluted situation to put it mildly but to suddenly believe that it is a solution to the country and its ills?

    People ought to evaluate the source and its known political associates and realize that this steaming pile is just part of the larger agenda of coordinated disinformation by our media and the people currently at the top who essentially write what they will say and pass off as news.

  • zeroczars fountain valley, CA
    Oct. 2, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    I am shocked at Deseret. Center for American Progress IS Obama's admin. If the dream act goes into effect, I predict the Americans that are currently hiring some of the illegals will do their own work to save money. I also predict Americans that pay taxes will be tired of paying for illegals HC, College, Welfare, Child Birth, Court costs for drunk drivers; child molesters; murderers and drug charges and finally; Drivers License (yes Ca wants to provide Drivers License's to illegals to make the roads safer.

  • KDave Moab, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    Funny the report does not state how many would sign up for food stamps, medicaid and the like. Must be an oversight.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    This study makes a lot of sense - let's have Stalen extol the virues of the Soviet system while we're at it.

    Here's my idea for the DREAM Act. To be eligible you must:

    have been brought as a child - 13 years old or younger, and be younger than 25.

    have NO criminal record - not even jaywalking or truancy

    served honorably in the US military

    CANNOT sponsor family members or anyone else to reside in the US

    their parents must return to their home countries.

  • killpack Sandy, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 7:50 a.m.

    Who are we kidding? Somehow, I don't think immigrants are going to save our economy. You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. That someone is us. $15 trillion in debt now. $20 trillion in another four years. Worthless currency. That all equals nobody coming to America anymore. It sounds like the only dreamers are the ones who think people are going to keep immigrating to our country.

  • md Cache, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    Illegal aliens are exactly that..ILLEGAL. I guess if we stop deporting illegals, we should stop punishing any lawbreakers, eh Deseret News??? Give me a break.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 6:21 a.m.

    As Gregg Easterbrook used to say, Torture numbers and they'll confess to anything.
    John Podesta's progressive people are masters at telling us how wonderful life would be in an ultra-liberal world. Do you recall that he led Obama's transition team into the White House in 2009?
    I would expect nothing less from the Center for American Progress. What concerns me is that Deseret News would echo his tripe. Are you doing this to sell newspapers? Or are you grasping at anything to support your position on illegal aliens?

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 4:47 a.m.

    Center for American Progress (CAP) is an idea generator for Obamas Washington founded by two open border businessmen, who want a steady stream of cheap labor to keep America’s wages down. CAPs chairman, John Podesta, is a part-time adviser to the State Department. Surprised?

    We need to take care of American, and get everyone working. We can't even take care of our own, and the last people to demand entitlements, should be those here illegally.

  • one day... South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 4:39 a.m.

    to M.Sanchez...would you like to have them without education in the street selling drugs or being good citizens and professionals helping this country? Good for them, a great opportunity and many dreams to achieve. I DO really understand the sacrifice of their parents, not easy or correct situation, but once again not easy. good luck to these young dreamers!

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 1:32 a.m.

    The Center for American Progress is a ultra level think tank and supporter of the Dream act and illegal immigration.

    The Federal government contributes $6,000 per student in college and vocational colleges. That's 12 billion a year to educate foreign students so they can take jobs from Americans. That's if they get a degree. But here is the rub, they have ten years to do this, they can work, and they only need to finish two years of school. They don't need to graduate. Ten years of work, start a family, get all the social services for your family including schooling for the children that are born here and citizens. Once you get citizenship, you can support all your family, and your spouses family.

    Not enough, if the government feels you are a hardship case you don't have to finish school. And families with children 12-18 cannot be deported. It's a con job to supply cheap labor for business, and to flood the country with millions of relatives.

  • M.Sanchez Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 1, 2012 11:30 p.m.

    Now these young people can join the ranks of other Americans who also dream of working in their chosen field of study but find no jobs and are stuck with student loan debt. Another reality, many professional fields require a background check, such as law enforcement, school teachers, day care etc. How shameful it is to provide these people with a false dream and saddle them with debt. Shame on their irresponsible parents.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 11:19 p.m.

    You've got to be kidding me. Everyone with an ounce of sense knows the invasion is costing taxpayers big-time, running up deficits all over the country, and taking jobs away from our citizens. This DREAM Act stuff is an attempt at being politically correct, pandering to the cheap-labor lobby, and saddling the taxpayers further. Maybe we ought to think twice about letting people like Michael Bloomberg outline our policies and control our future.