@FDRfan - Mormon was the name of one of the last prophets on this continent.
Briefly, he abridged the writings of his predecessors into a volume which has
been give the name "The Book of Mormon" which tells of the peoples who
lived on this, the American Continent and their lives and visit from the Savior
after his resurrection, and their eventual downfall.One hopes that
Mr Romney clings to his beliefs in times of difficulty and turmoil as well as
times of positiveness. One also hopes that Mr Obama tries his best to do what is
right for those he is representing.To vote for someone simply
because of their membership in any organization is wrong. What one must do is
examine the fruits of THEIR labors - not those as a result of political or
social ineptitude on the part of others.Regardless of whom one votes
for, it is incumbent upon us all to pray and ask God to bless them to lead our
country forward in a positive manner toward its inevitable destiny.
Does anyone know when this issue actually hits the newsstands here in Utah?Has anyone seen it on the rack anywhere yet?Anyone know
where TIME is actually retailed along the Wasatch Front?
Up to this time, the Liberal media has had no time to explore Obama's time
in his Chicago "church" or to find out many other things about our
President. I am guessing that this article was written months ago just waiting
for the right time to launch it in order to provide an excuse for questions from
Democrats in the debate tonight. The media in this country should be ashamed of
the way they do their jobs.
Automatic Debate LosersWhen I judged high school debate years ago, I used
to tell the debaters: the firt person to bring up Adolph Hitler or to assert
that their opponent's plan will lead to global thermonuclear war,
automatically loses the debate. I would do the same now with "drinking the
Kool-Aid". A cheap, meaningless toss-off phrase that does nothing but halt
actual communication in its tracks. If I read your comment and you accuse
someone of "drinking the Kool-Aid", I stop right there. You just lost!
There are plenty of silly posts to this news story. My goodness, people, I hope
the sun still comes up tomorrow if Mitt is elected. There
didn't seem to be any problem when Ezra Taft Benson was Secretary of
Agriculture in the Eisnerhower Administration. And the only time Mormonism has
reared its head in a negative way lately is when Harry Reid took it upon himself
to judge Romney's brand of Mormonism. That was a piece of work---Harry
lecturing Utahn's about Mormonism! I'll pass the opportunity to
lecture Nevadan's about Harry, thanks anyway.Lots of thoughts
without knowledge have been expressed on this story.
UtahBlueDevil Durham, NCThere is absolutely no comparison in the
histories of African-Americans and Mormons. Just as there is absolutely no
comparison in the histories of Jewish-Americans and Mormons.To
equate the treatment of Mormons to the treatments of Jews and/or blacks is
If elected . . . Will Mitt Romney be having Mormon missionaries to
the White House for dinner once a month? Will he have visiting teachers come
and invite selected staff for Church lessons? How will he put his imprint on
the activities at the White House. Will he refuse to serve alcoholic beverages
at State dinners. When he speaks of American history, will he incorporate the
Mormon view into this remarks?Or will he just remain quiet and try
and avoid offending his evangelical, socially-conservative base who held their
nose while choosing him over someone they simply hate?There is still
much about the Mormon perspective which will remain out-of-sight so not to stir
the animosity of the Religious Right. And if Romney is not elected, it may be
the Democrats turn to find a Mormon candidate since Republicans have move so far
to the right that they may never nominate another.
Few people read Time magazine anymore; few people read anything anymore.
kathyn Salt Lake City, UT"I stand by my remarks" Yes, we understand. To summarize: "You don't like Obama,
period!""Open your eyes and You must see that our country is
in the biggest mess ever" By "ever" you are including
the Civil War, the Great Depression, and the Second World War just to mention
three events from the past 150 years.Assuming you are white with a
European heritage, you must be leaving out slavery and native genocide as severe
problems in this country.Not having a grasp of American history does
help focus one's attention on selective "mess" and, depending on
one's attention span, allows casual use of terms like "ever" some
relevance."Nero fiddles (plays golf) while our country
burns!"Are you Bay Buchanan's best buddy? On last
Sunday's Meet the Press she insisted that Obama was ruining American with
the typical hysteria of the wingnut fringe while the other Republicans around
the table hung their heads in embarassment. David Brooks just wanted to to be
quiet and get real. By the way, where is America burning? Aside
from the fires in the West, are you speaking allegorically?
re:KathynWhat are your sources? #1 Obama did attend a
private school in Hawaii courtesy of a scholarship from 5th grade on. #2 Obama's grandparents were not "avowed" communists. During the
60's Franklin Davis was suspected by right-wingers of being a communist
without proof. Obama stated in his book he aspired attributes of MLK, Mandela,
Malcolm, DuBois but that Franklin Davis and others "fell short." #3 Never worked for ACORN. #4 As a Illinois State Senator he
sometimes supported Republican bills. His "present" votes (used and
permitted by Illinois legislators) were a little over a hundred out of thousands
of votes he cast. #5 Obama was teased and bullied while in
Indonesia. Race? Don't know. Do you have the quote where Obama says race
was never an issue for him? Source? re:pavlova"Anyone
who is willing to pay $2 million to keep his college transcripts
"sealed" Blatantly false Nobody has to pay money to
keep college transcripts "sealed." I can't see my children's
transcripts even though I pay their college tuition. Kathyn and
pavolvaI would suggest you at least visit factcheck or snopes so you
don't embarrass your yourselves.
Red Headed Stranger - ">Criticized all his life for being
black.Really? What about Mitt being criticized all his life for being
Mormon? It is still acceptable to make jokes about Mormons. You can't even
make a legitimate complaint about the deficit without being labeled a hate
monger racist. "Honestly I love these comments. As you walk
down the street, how many people judge you on your Mormon-ness? Honestly. How
many people didn't even know Mitt was a Mormon before he ran for office. I
can be relatively assured more people have judged Obama based on his skin color
than have judged Mitt on his religion. In a board meeting, Mitt's religion
surely was not evident in his discussions, unless Mitt choose to make it an
issue. On the other hand, a black, hispanic, asian pretty much has no options
here... probably the thing that makes them who they are the least is the first
thing they are judged and categorized on.Not understanding that
simple point makes one wonder how naive some people are about race issues that
still remain. It far better now, but it isn't a non-issue.
To middle class: Having money does not necessarily make life easy. I'm
sure Mitt would have gladly given up his wealth if his family had been spared
the other challenges they have faced, such as his wife's cancer and
multiple sclerosis as well as several miscarriages. Raising five sons, being a
member of a misunderstood and often persecuted religion, and being a Republican
governor in a heavily Democratic state certainly were challenges.
Everywhere one looks, mention of the "secret Romney tape" abounds. Yet
the newly-found 1998 Obama tape of him speaking at Loyola University in Chicago
and actually outlining his political vision (admitting that welfare recipients
potentially are a majority coalition) can only be linked to on Rush
Limbaugh's home page. It is being COMPLETELY ignored by media.Oh, but Time Magazine is going to take a look at Mitt's childhood and
then interpret for us what Mitt 'really' thinks and, therefore, how he
will govern. Folks, if our day isn't a fulfillment of
Isaiah's prophecy, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;
that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet,
and sweet for bitter!", then nothing is.
Dadof5sonsMontesano, WA@ red headed stranger!Obama never went
to a public school always a private one! he was born in to wealth his mom
married in to wealth his grand parents were wealthy! Obama was born with a
silver spoon in his mouth!Dad of Sons.... Obama went to a private
school in hawaii on a needs based scholarship. His grandparents that raised him
were not wealthy... perhaps middle class, but wealthy, no.I know
this is what makes people think I am a liberal.... but I am not. I am just anti
false information. The spread of false information like this is the most
corrupting thing in our politics. Vote on things that are real, not contrived.
There is enough real stuff about both of these guys, we don't need to be
making stuff up.And no, just because someone forwarded you an email,
or you read it in a blog online, or it came from some shock radio jock
doesn't make it true. This applies to both sides. Obama grew
up rich like Romney.... good grief. I also assume Romney grew up black like
What did Time say that was so earth shaking? I think one of the fun
things that is pointed out that if Mitt became president, he would be in a ward
in DC that is largely more liberal than conservative.... and that when it comes
to religion, he would still be accepted as just another brother in the church.
This is all goodness.... the gospel spans political boundaries, like it or
not.The problem I have is so many like to pretend that the church is
reflected or represented by its Utah membership. But the fact is that at best,
Utah now only represents less than 18% of the total church membership. With
this will come a much broader life experience mix into the church. The church
will be a constant, but where people came from will be ever more diverse. The
church will no longer be represented by a state that is over 85% white.That is the beauty of this event. Win or Loose, Romney will hopefully show
that there is a great diversity in the church. We are all centered around the
gospel, but in our personal lives we come from very different places. Good for
Barack Obama is a confidence man and therefore sounds good and is likable. When
was a confidence man not likable or a film-flam man for that matter? He talked a
good line and a lot of people bought it and there was the attraction of electing
the first African American president and the thrill that went with it. The
reality is that he took a sizable number of people prisoner to his rhetoric in
2008. He has had an agenda of destroying this country from within and all the
time telling us bedtime stories. The proper term for those who still support him
would be victims of Stockholm Syndrome. Compare Obama to himself. Read the
articles by Thomas Sowell titled: Obama Versus Obama, Obama Versus Obama Part
II, Obama Versus Obama Part III and Obama Versus Obama Part IV. He has talked a
lot and promised a lot but his actions are completely different than his
stories.We cannot afford four more years of his destruction. The person
best qualified to lead the country is Mitt Romney. We have a scenario very much
like it was in 1980 only Obama is much worse than Carter.
Say No to BO - "Oooh, let's explore the childhood of Obama and how that
might color his style of governance. Time magazine would never touch
that."They did, four years ago, and then 8 years ago when he
gave the speech at the Democratic convention of 2004. Just wanted to point that
out as it seems you missed those issues. Pavalova - what in the
world are you talking about - 2 million to keep transcripts sealed..... oh, and
by the way, where are Mitts transcripts.... I am sure they are out there for all
to see, right? Oh.... its different. Gotcha.I think Mitt has a
very compelling background. I really do. His father rose up from those 47
percenters himself... when he and his wife needed assistance for two years.
Mitt's mom talks about it in an interview she gave. The real Mitt would
have been very compelling. On the other hand, this contrived
version to appease the Tea Party just comes off stiff. Makes the Tea Partiers
happy, but just doesn't feel real. What I don't like
though is his leading agenda, no capital gains taxes, would take Mitt's tax
rate to 0%.
On every salient issue, there is no differences between Romney and Obama.BOTH support/ed:- TARP;- the economic stimulus
package;- assault weapons bans and other gun control measures;- the
bailout of the auto industry;- being big spenders;- the Federal
Reserve (both oppose a full audit of the Fed);- universal health care;- are on record as saying the TSA is doing a "great job";- the
NDAA (including indefinite detention of American citizens without due
process);- the renewal of the Patriot Act;- the "free trade"
agenda of the global elite;- soft on illegal immigration;- have a
history of appointing liberal judges;- Neither supports immediately
balancing the federal budget;- Both are showered with campaign
contributions from Wall Street;- Neither wants to eliminate the IRS or the
direct income tax;- Both believe the President has the authority to take
the nation to war without the approval of Congress;- Neither has any
qualms about running up more public debt to the already gargantuan debt of 16
trillion dollars.Tell me again why Romney is better than Obama!?
Lee Femedlers - Thank you for adding a soft spoken and useful recommnedation.
Until reading your comment I was totally dismayed by the tone (and the lack of
truth) in the comments made so far. Mr. Walker has tried to present a summary
of an article that simply tries to find answers to some of the questions people
have been asking about Mormonism and how it might influence Mitt Romney. If
only we could all emulate the things that will be said during General Conference
this weekend, the world would be a better place. But just because we can't
be perfect in following Jesus' example, doesn't mean we shouldn't
all try.Thanks for adding a positive remark.
@JWBThe point is President Obama needed student loans to attend
Harvard. His Adjusted Gross Income, according to his published tax records for
2004 was $207,647. Of that, President Obama paid $40,426 in taxes. By no means
was President Obama destitute in 2004, but it took him time to pay off student
loans for Harvard University, whose current tuition, as listed on their Law
School's FAQ page, is $49,950 (with an added estimate of $25K for living
expenses.) If you pro-rate those numbers in reverse, Harvard was
still quite expensive for both candidates, but was much more of a financial
burden upon President Obama than it was on Mitt Romney.All that to
remind you of my original point, that the experiences of these two men were not,
as Kathyn implied, similar.
The debates will do nothing to sway votes in favor of Romney.The GOP
has nominated a man who has governed as a big-government liberal in one of the
most liberal (if not the most liberal) states in the union: Governor Mitt Romney
of Massachusetts.Furthermore, on virtually every issue one can think
of, Governor Romney has flip-flopped more often than a fish that just landed in
the bottom of a boat. The biggest flip-flop is his nomination by the GOP when it
has been radically transformed by far-right Tea Party ideology! A liberal
representing radical Conservatives? How did that happen?To get a
feel for just how often Romney changes his positions, Just do a little
research.If Mitt Romney has proven anything, it is that his word
means absolutely nothing. Nothing! Romney is an opportunistic chameleon who will
say anything or do anything to get elected. Yet, this is the man whom
conservatives trumpet as the savior of America!Why?
The less Mitt Romney says about the Mormon view of American history, the better.
His views are ambiguous enough as is.
Obama is playing golf while he can.If all Mitt wanted to do was golf
then that is what he would be doing.Obama has squandered his time in
the White House.Time for him to go.
If any person really wants to know how "Mormonism" shaped Mitts life
there is a perfect opportunity to listen to the ecclesiastical leadership of his
church this weekend (Oct 6-7). It's called General Conference and members
from all over the world gather to listen. I and my family will watch it on
television or the internet while others may do the same or watch from
meetinghouses throughout the world.If you decie to watch you will
hear sermons on faith, love, devotion, service, family, and charity among other
teachings. General Conference is a great venue to discover what
Mormons are taught and the doctrine that shapes their lives. This informatino
is extremely accessible this weekend. If you really are undecided about your
vote this coming November and are looking for more information on one of the
candidates--this is a great information-gathering opportunity.
kathynI am proud of you standing up for what you believe. A
multi-millionaire paid off his student loans in 2004, that was because he was
running for Senator and did a little better than Tim Geithner on paying the
government. He only paid his student loan then due to his new found
public view he liked. It was President Bush's time to be bashed by the
Illinois duo and Obama was trying to set up for his run for the President and
clean up his multi-millionaire image. He doesn't publicize this but he
didn't pay his debts until he was in the public view other than the normal
operations of Illinois and especially Chicago.Stand up for your
values, kathyn and keep up the good work to add style to this forum.
@Kathyn"(President Obama)somehow went to an Ivy League college
with no apparent income" Yes. President Obama went to Harvard
Law School and took out student loans, which he paid off as of 2004. Mitt Romney, on the other hand, went to a private prep school, which costs
upwards of 40K/year and then sold stock his father gave him to pay his living
expenses while at BYU and Harvard (the same Ivy League school Barack Obama
attended).Their experiences are so close it's almost spooky.
As if it wasn't already bad enough for Mitt and Mormonism...
@ red headed stranger!Obama never went to a public school always a private
one! he was born in to wealth his mom married in to wealth his grand parents
were wealthy! Obama was born with a silver spoon in his mouth!
Janet,Perhaps you are misunderstanding what is being implied when
one refers to "drinking the Kool-aid. The reference suggests that some
people are making very poor decisions in following a leader or philosophy out of
blind obedience, perhaps because the leader is charismatic, without really
thinking for oneself and thinking of the long term consequences. This is a real
situation that exists on both sides of the political arena, and to suggest that
we ignore that possibility is naive at best. Was Jonestown tragic? Yes. Does
that mean we cannot reference it? I cannot think why.The reference
does not suggest that there cannot be different viewpoints.
I stand by my remarks. Most come from Obama's own words and biography.
Remember "Dreams From My Father"? Non-believer, I suspect that your
facts come straight from the Democrats' talking points for the day.
I've noticed multiple cable and network news people all using the exact
same words all on the same day, and this has happened multiple times.
Coincidence? I think not!You want facts?!? Open your eyes and You must
see that our country is in the biggest mess ever. Obama has been given so many
passes by the liberal media. (If a Republican had done half the stuff Obama has
pulled, he would have been crucified in the media.) I read all the world news
and know that we are in terrible trouble. Nero fiddles (plays golf) while our
By their works you will really know who the posters are by their names,
nicknames, and that is really what they want in their names.We all
have the freedoms to carry our posting names to signify what we believe and let
others know our real thoughts before posting anything along with those personal
online names.This election season has picked up more followers to
the DN by the day. Not as many as the SLT but will be soon.I hear
people say that religion and politics don't go together but there is
nothing Mitt Romney, a proven leader can do, without having his religion,
leadership, parenting, relationships and even personal thoughts brought up.President Obama on the other hand has only had his birth certificate
mentioned as a question mark. Everything with Mitt Romney is questioned by the
media, day in and day out.This President is a millionaire, as
mentioned and was treated with kid gloves throughout his life, so far, along
with his wife.They are not the normal citizens of Illinois, having
lived ther 9 years. He can do almost anything without question to his motives
and what the law requires of him.
Anyone who is willing to pay $2 million to keep his college transcripts
"sealed" should have our vote people. Imagine how much will be spent to
keep Fast and Furious sealed as well.
Middle Class,>Mitt born into wealth.Please explain
explicitly why this disqualifies Mitt from serving as an excellent president
(Washington, Jefferson, or Kennedy)>Criticized all his life for
being black.Really? What about Mitt being criticized all his life for
being Mormon? It is still acceptable to make jokes about Mormons. You
can't even make a legitimate complaint about the deficit without being
labeled a hate monger racist. >Spent his early career working
in tough neighborhoods. Helping downtrodden.Yes, clearly you have never
spent any time as a Mormon Missionary or Bishop or Stake President.
Missionaries spend some time in church but most of the time in the street where,
you guessed it, we get criticized for being Mormon ALOT. >Great
father even without the role models.Why is this relevant to being a
president? Is Mitt not a good father? Does having good role models preclude
you from being president?Middle Class, your criteria for choosing
president should be, "Who had success at what he was able to do? Who
understands how business and economics really work in the real world? Who has
had success in foreign relations?" It sure hasn't been Barry. . .
Let's stop using the term "drinking the Kool-Aid"! Some of you may
be too young to remember that almost 40 years ago, a cult leader had his
followers drink Kool-Aid laced with poison in a mass suicide. It was a horrific
thing. One person's having a different political opinion or philosophy
from another person is perfectly normal, acceptable, and American. Just as it
is inappropriate to call someone a "Nazi" or refer to a minor
catastrophe as a "holocaust," it is inappropriate to refer to
someone's holding a different political belief as "drinking the
Forget all the rhetoric and religion mumbo jumbo and let's vote on who is
going to get us out of this mess. Obama has shown his cards and it looks like a
losing hand to me. Nothing better, tons more debt, alienated nations and
continues to support many that could help themselves. We need
someone that will do what needs to be done and not what sounds good or puts off
the inevitable. We can not get out of this mess without pain. We all have to be
a part of the pain. Most of us will be worse off until the nation is better
off. But the ending is much better for our kids and grandkids if we do it now.
Brings to mind the old commercial: You can pay me know or pay me later. I think
any intelligent person can see the ending to this story if not fixed NOW! I wish I could keep writing checks when I was out of money. At all the
companies I have worked for if the CEO went 4 years and did not turn things
around he would be let go. Time for a new CEO.
@middle classNo politician is 'in touch' with you and your
needs, Obama least of all. It is frightening that people drink so deeply of the
I don't care what their privileges/challenges are/were. I want
to know if they are going to fix this economy!Get real folks. We
have seen what the democrats plan is for our country going forward. There is no secret here. Do we accept their direction or not? Platitudes about who we feel more fuzzy about is irrelevant! Let's choose the one that can fix this economic mess!!!!I am
convinced that it is Mitt Romney.
Oooh, let's explore the childhood of Obama and how that might color his
style of governance. Time magazine would never touch that.
Beyond a doubt, an article by Time Magazine will be well researched, unbiased,
and authored by an intelligent, scholarly author. Yea, right. Time is the
tabloid of the news magazines. It is, and always has been a wanna be among the
big boys like U.S. News and World Report.Who really cares what Time
RE: Middle Class @ 4:11 -Dude, you are aware aren't you, that
B.O. reported personal income in-excess of $8 MIL last year, aren't
you?!So don't try to sell this lame, phony concept that he
"cares" ONE IOTA more about the people of this country than does
Romney.A highly-experienced business executive with a lifetime of
"turn-around" expertise is EXACTLY what our country needs right now.
One does not have to have grown up poor or underprivileged in order to be the
better president.Romney has been "criticized all his life"
(DECADES). Romney has "helped the downtrodden" many-times-over what
B.O. has ever done. Romney has been extremely "cheerful" throughout his
life-- even through some very dark trials. And I can't imagine a better
father than Mitt, nor could anyone.Mitt is an extremely
"optimistic" (even against horrendous opposition), "loving"
(even when hated), and a tremendously "faithful Christian" (even when
wrongly accused and severely disrepected).Romney far surpasses
Barack in virtually every "category", PLUS he's a
highly-accomplished executive and HIGHLY-experienced community, political,
religious, family, business and American leader!Light-years ahead of
Do I even want to know what Time magazine has come up with? Isn't that sort
of like a book published by the Third Reich on its "exploration" of
@scaredtodeathThanks for the rnc/fox news propaganda/talking
points.I can see why you would be scared to death.
To Kathyn, you need to learn a few more facts besides an unauthorized biography!
Everything you stated has already been proven false or half truths, which are
still lies! I could badmouth Mormanism all day long, but choose to be
respectful. Your spreading untruths is very disrespectful! Pick a topic such as
the last 4 years or something you can state true facts about! As your comments
stand now, you are drinking the Kool Aid and speaking gibberish!
Middle class: you are misinformed. Obama had a rather privileged childhood,
too. He attended private elementary school, and somehow went to an Ivy League
college with no apparent income. His mentors (his mother, his grandparents and
Frank Marshall Davis were all avowed Communists. And by Obama's own
admission, he surrounded himself with Marxists in college.) He taught a few law
courses and then was a "community organizer" for ACORN (a corrupt
organization to the core). When he became a senator he voted present or far
left. He doesn't care about the downtrodden. He uses them to further his
agenda. He was not criticized for his race. In Indonesia and Hawaii it was a
non-issue for him...and that's again according to his own story. If you
think that "Liberation Theology is Christianity, you better check it closer.
You have drunk the left's Kool_Aid and don't really know Obama, the
man. By the way, I'm not a Republican, but I am independent and vote
across all party lines. But Obama is a very different kind of president. He
scares me to death.
Why not compare and contrast Reid and Romney with Mormon? Where does the name
Mormon come from?
wow middle class, you tried really hard to say everything you could think of
that could be viewed as negative about mitt, and everything positive about
Obama. Could you work equally as hard to show us the oposite sides of both of
these HUMAN men? Does a great father who had role models deserve any less
recognition than the great father who had none? Judged by the content of
their character not color of skin, remember Dr. King? How about the years of
service done by Romney in his church? How about his philanthropy? as for
oposition, you think Mitt has avoided that? Faithful Christian even when wrongly
accused? Mormons deal with that daily in some areas. How about the
marxist professors Barack heralds from his college days? How about his work with
corrupt Green jobs, or blindingly corrupt SEIU? Do I even need to bring up Rev.
Wright? Point is, there are positives and negative in every person. Be
willing to see both and accurately judge the content of character, not soley on
the merits of the side you like.
Mitt vs. Barack.Mitt born into wealth. Went to elite private
schools. Part of the elite LDS heritage. Never even heard of worry over money,
worry over a medical bill, worry over what to eat, how long will the 15-yr old
car last. His inner thoughts about the 47%. 4 mansions. 6 houses. Money
stashed, etc.Barack born into a fractured family. A minority.
Criticized all his life for being black. Spent his early career working in
tough neighborhoods. Helping downtrodden. Having to prove his birth.
Cheerful, even with his sorrows. Great father even without the role models.
Optimistic even against great opposition. Loving even when hated. A faithful
Christian even when wrongly accused.I'll choose Barack.
The mormon in mitt needs to become more than ever the mormon IN mitt. At least
if he's taking up public office. Because I'm not voting for mormon in
chief. And, if he were elected, he needs to be a lot more than just mormon to be
able to claim to represent me and my america.
We need Mitt Romney as President. I hope he makes it.!!!