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Is Mitt Romney 'the face of Mormonism?' Sen. Harry Reid says no

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  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    nope Harry Reid is!

  • Jazzledazzle Provo, UT
    Oct. 3, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    The answer is no he is not the face of the church. Mormonism is also the incorrect term since we claim to be the Church of Jesus Christ or Latter- Day Saints. The church is not named Mormon, therefore it is not Mormonism. I cringe when I hear or see that term as a member of the church.

    Furthermore an entire church or group cannot be judged off of one person. If that were the case, Catholic, Baptist, Latter Day Saint, etc. would all be in trouble. There are nutcases and regular people all over the place.

    One last thing, Mitt Romney is not a bad guy, when you are in politics you have people that love you and people that hate you. You cannot please everyone.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 9:48 a.m.

    With "every member a missionary", there can be no question that EVERY Latter-day Saint is "the face of Mormonism."

    The problem with Romney is - WHICH of his many faces is it?

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    What is the face of Mormonism? I think it is much more than just one man. The Church is well known for many things including its welfare system and the way in which it gives aid to those in need. Many people know the Church by getting to know the thousands of missinaries that are found throughout the World. There have also been plenty of Mormon politicians that have come and gone along the way. He did, howerever give the World a bad example and it certainly didn't help the image of a Mormon. I would be more curious as to how members look at Mitt. Is he really the Mormon they want representing them as President of The United States? I will vote for Obama, but it has little to do with the religion. We should be careful not to judge an entire group of people based on one person's actions. I disagree with many things here in Utah and I am sure I wouild get many Mormons mad at my point of view, but. in general, they are good people who have a lot of love to give.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 2, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    I was hoping Romney as a candidate would increase the civility and accuracy in the presidential campaign. But alas, not. He has proven to be every bit another slick, dishonest polititian. He can't even be consistent with his positions on issues.

    Most of the safety net goes to help the disabled, the elderly and children. There is a small percetage of people who abuse the "system.". The numbers receiving foodstamps have gone up as a result of the devastating economic crisis. The GOP portray the majority as "low-lifes" and "cheaters.". If Republicans want to propose changes to stop fraud and abuse that would be worth considering.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 2, 2012 7:12 a.m.

    To mdonalds1 10:54 p.m. Sept. 29, 2012

    Folks, please don't buy into the main stream media's bias toward Mitt Romney. They paint him as a greedy, heartless, business man who has lied and cheated his way to wealth. The way they talk about him would lead any uninformed person to think he is a horrible individual.

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    Unfortunately, mdonaldsl, according to his record that's exactly what Willard Mitt Romney is.

  • Built2Last Provo, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 5:20 p.m.

    NeilT,

    If you don't know anyone who would rather live off the government than be gainfully employed, you are living in a bubble, my friend. I can agree that it is a vicious trap, but there are many who walk in to it more than willingly. And you won't get any argument from this Republican that there is a need for a safety net for those who truly need a hand up. But that is not what we have today. Our welfare system today is a cradle-to-grave entitlement program that sucks the life out of the people who get caught up in it. It is also used as a political tool to ensure votes for the candidates who are willing to promise more handouts. It is a corrupt system that is not sustainable. But the Dems don't care as long as they can use it to get elected. But the gravy train is soon to run out, leaving millions in a much more desperate situation than they were in when they first said yes.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 1, 2012 3:48 p.m.

    I'm wondering...

    Does anyone know if any of the LDS "Brethern" has read this article,
    and more importanly - read the comments?

  • kosimov Riverdale, UT
    Sept. 30, 2012 9:25 p.m.

    Whichever way our opinions swing, I find it incredible that so many people could have such intense convictions about anyone they do not know, based only on the ads, the commentary printed in papers and magazines, the opinions expressed by professional "opinionators" who are highly motivated to say and write whatever keeps circulation high, and whose comments are based on innuendo and gossip as much as solid factual reporting and investigation. Lies and groundless untruths are the hallmarks of the people who originate these kinds of "facts", and such information as is required to make a candidate appear to be dark and frightening; better vote for the other guy "to be safe".

    It is so easy to get caught up in all the banter and noise during a presidential election year. I long for the day when the words spoken about a candidate are fundamentally truthful, when reporters and others have a sense of morality and ethics which is known by the audience, and they abhor attempts to distort or lie about the facts to make their favorite candidate look good. People like Senator Reid would be chased out of town; men like Obama would be laughed at.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2012 9:02 p.m.

    I read just over half of these comments. I gotta say, I feel like I need a shower. Especially after reading the ones by the people attacking Reid and other Mormon Democrats saying they can't be good Mormons, or that they are lesser Mormons. Really disturbing stuff, that.

    Reminds me of why I stay as far away from that religion as possible.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 11:20 p.m.

    Bob KJAr There are LDS general authorities that are democrats. Your post is out of line. SOphie 62 You posts are excellent. There are many unemployed people desperate for work. They may be receiving food stamps. That does mean they feel entilted or lack responsibility. Romney and many posters on here don't understand that. The real issue it the economy. Romney blames people for their circumstances. People are not the problem, theeconomy is. 47% may not pay taxes. Blame the tax code not people. I don't for one second believe that 47% of Americans believe that government owes them a living. Americans as a whole are a responsible people. I don't know anybody who would rather collect gov't benefits than be gainfully employed. I admit that are some who are dependent and feel entitled, but not 47%. It is obvious that Romney considers half the country free-loaders. That is the issue. Romney says believe in America. I say believe in people and stop insulting them like so many on here do. We need to stop being so judgemental of others.

  • mdonalds1 EAGLE MOUNTAIN, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 10:54 p.m.

    Folks, please don't buy into the main stream media's bias toward Mitt Romney. They paint him as a greedy, heartless, business man who has lied and cheated his way to wealth. The way they talk about him would lead any uninformed person to think he is a horrible individual.

    If we could watch a video of Mitt's life, it is my guess that we would see the life of a man who has lead a more noble and dignified life than ourselves. I have heard stories of the great things he did to help individuals while he was serving as a stake president.

    Again, please don't let the main stream media twist your thinking to believe something that isn't true. Also, Please don't let your own jealousies and feelings of not being successful like Mitt allow you to render a judgement against Mitt that is created from your own misperceptions.

  • mdonalds1 EAGLE MOUNTAIN, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 10:34 p.m.

    Harry, Harry, Harry, Harry...........please retire soon! What more can I say?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 29, 2012 7:22 p.m.

    There's no "lipstick" that can fix Romney's statement. When Romney portrays 47% of voters as "ner' do wells" who play victim and expect to have everything handed to them he reveals the ugliness that underlies GOP thinking.

    Good luck with that.

    Neither Harry Reid or Mitt Romney reflect the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

  • jb1111 San Diego, CA
    Sept. 29, 2012 7:05 p.m.

    Harry Reid is a small little man that engages in "TRASH TALK" in order to gain favor from Obama, whose coat tails Reid is riding on.

    The Democrats are running the most deceitful campaign ever.

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    And now that Reid has opened Pandora's box, let's talk about Obama and Reverend Wright and his Liberation Theology based in Marxism !!

  • jb1111 San Diego, CA
    Sept. 29, 2012 6:53 p.m.

    Harry Reid is a small little man riding on the coat tails of Obama and his slander of a Good Man, Mitt Romney.

    Trash Talk your Democrats, Harry.

    The campaign they are waging is full of Dishonesty, Slander, and Libel.

    Nothing Christ would be proud of.

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    And Harry, now that you opened Pandora's Box .......... Let's talk Reverend Wright and Obama's Liberation Theology based in Marxism

  • Mr. Bean Ogden, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 6:52 p.m.

    @atl134:

    "You think it's truthful that 47% of people don't care about personal responsibility?"

    If they vote for Obama what they care for is more welfare handouts.

    "We're upset that he insulted the character of half the nation."

    All Romney was telling his constituents is that the 47% on government welfare will not be voting for him but will likely vote for Obama, called the food stamp president in the news.

    @LDS Liberal:

    "And Jesus... spent his ministry healing the sick and afflicted, feeding the hungry, etc..."

    Tell us, how did Jesus heal the sick and feed the hungry? Did he have penicillin, a heart defibrillator and such? Did He own a grocery store or a McDonald's fast food? And how about the blind? Did he have a Lasik Clinic to remove cataracts?

    Are you suggesting that Mitt should do the same? I suppose he could if he had the powers that Jesus had.

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    "Harry Reid tells us he 'heard' from a 'reliable source' that Romney hadn't paid taxes in ten years."

    I've heard from a reliable source that Obama's returns are not authentic.

  • JRJ Pocatello, ID
    Sept. 29, 2012 6:40 p.m.

    I'd so hate to be Harry Reid's bishop. He (Harry) is an embarrassment to the church because he keeps using it as a wedge to try to destroy a decent man. Have you noticed that the media won't leave Mitt alone about his religion, but they never mention Harry's membership? Well, we don't know how to explain him either. Just vote him out, please Nevada.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 29, 2012 6:30 p.m.

    Sullied Mormonism? I don't know about that. I do submit Mitt is not the face of Mormonism. I also think it's dangerous to think so, or vote for Mitt because he is Mormon.

    I have a hard time if people vote for someone because they are a member of a political party, although in our political landscape, that makes a ton more sense that voting for someone because of their faith. Our two party system encourages voters with far right or far left views to vote that way. We lack balanced choices I say.

  • eenymeenymyneechic Home Town USA, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 6:04 p.m.

    If Harry Reid doesn't recognize what the face of Mormonism is is could be that he wouldn't know because he isn't. It says more about him than Mitt Romney. I agree with the poster that said it is each one of us who are the face of ALL 15 million people who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

  • Gr8Dane Tremonton, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 5:01 p.m.

    If I wrote my true feelings with regard to Harry Reid's scurrilous attacks on a fellow Mormon, Mitt Romney, I'm afaid it wouldn't pass muster with the Deseret News editors.

    I'm very disappointed in Harry Reid, and it would not be the first time. I can understand and even appreciate some diversity in church circles. But the ad hominem attacks on Romney pass any line of both decency or propriety.

    Reid needs to go back to his scriptures and read-up on the Golden Rule as taught by the Savior. He's frankly embarassed himself so often that I think he's now immune to any sense of shame.

  • Riccar Moses Lake, WA
    Sept. 29, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    I can not believe how many people think that Romney said things that he did not say. He did not say that he was going to cut benefits to the poor, the elderly or to retired military!!! And he did not say that he would only be the President to 53% of the people. Those are all fabrications!!! He only said that 47% of people do not pay taxes. And that is simply a fact. As for Reid; he is not the face of mormonism. Mormonism believes in helping those who are poor and in need. (Romney believes that.) However, firstly we believe in self reliance. Meaning that all able bodied people are to do all that they can to take care of themselves. Then those who can not, will be taken care of. I know of many heathy people who simply sit and watch tv or play video games all day that are supported by the government.

  • CB Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    The 47% "October Surprise" ( which had to come early because of Obama's falling polls). What is not mentioned here is that the whole tape was not played. This was an answer to a question asked by somebody at that meeting, who asked about the 47% and their willingness to vote for anyone else but Obama. Mitt was answering that question. Playing only that part of the tape that fit the agenda of the Demo party has given them the distortion that they desired, and only part of the answer.
    This is not the first time they have done this and it won't be the last. What is truly sad is that the intellectually naive will fall for anything they are fed.
    Look to the source before you judge and know if it is 'secret' and that it comes from a 'liberal blogger', then ask for the entire recording, not just what they want to give you.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 1:38 p.m.

    @JoeBlow:

    "At least many of you can unite behind the misinformation that Obama is a Muslim or Obama is not a Christian."

    Obama is a Muslim. He attended Madrasahs (Muslim schools) in Indonesia as a Muslim. Once a Muslim always a Muslim. So say his leaders and so say his father, step father and the rest of his Kenyan and Indonesian families.

    To the DNews monitor: Before you scrap my post think of it this way... it is no disgrace to be a Muslim. And it is not a personal attack either to call someone Muslim. If you think you should scrap my post for calling Obama a Muslim you need to scrap all posts who call Mitt Romney and Harry Reid Mormons. It's no more a disgrace to be called as Mormon as it is to be called a Muslim.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    @TheHOYT:

    "It was clearly a hidden camera, Romney didn't know he was being filmed..."

    You don't give a talk in an important meeting, regardless of who you think you audience is, without understanding, with today's technology, someone is recording it somehow.. Either with a phone camera or a tape recorder. Romney shoulda knowed that. His mistake.

    Notice how Obama has made similar gaffs such as when he whispered to the Russian representative with an open mike, that he 'would have more latitude after the elections.'

  • ibextex Provo, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 1:06 p.m.

    I definitely agree Mit Romney is not the face of mormonism. Especially if you are talking about the church associated with mormon culture, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I think one of the best public relations the LDS church does is to have political neutrality from the organization itself and promote civility and partisanship in its members. Whether you love or hate Romney and Reid they are not spokespeople for the LDS church and are just politicians. Reid should not be condemned because he is a Mormon Democrat which is the minority party of Mormons, and Romney should not be loved and voted for just because he is Mormon.

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    Sept. 29, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    Cjb: “Harry is right most LDS didn't have to decide to run for president before becoming pro life.”

    If Harry said that, he is once again knowingly lying. Romney has explained several times how he came to personally value ‘life’ over ‘choice’, and it occurred WHILE he was Governor and while he contemplated the signing of a bill on stem cell research.

    I’m LDS 2: Of course none of us are in COMPLETE alignment with our party’s platforms, which must cater to a wide degree of individuals. It would be an anomaly if someone agreed with every single platform!

    However, remember that your vote for President determines who will sit on our Supreme Court – a lifetime appointment. And the best 4 reasons to vote for Romney are: Scalia, Kennedy, Bryer and Ginsburg; each of whom is aging (between age 76 and 80) and whose replacement will be named by the POTUS.

    For Latter-day Saints, this fact ALONE should be reason to vote more conservatively.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    Mitt Romney NEVER said he was face of Mormonism.

    Shame on Reid for for believing he can judge another's "Mormonosity".

    And it is shocking how horribly wrong the liberals LDS commentors here, misunderstanding and misapplying the scriptures, even mischaracterizing Christ, to back up a political ideology.

    The face of Mormonism is NOT who is the most popular face.

    The only true face of Mormonism is anyone who takes on the Countenance of Christ.

    That being said, the democrats and Reid certainly do NOT emulate the Plan and Gospel of Christ.

    IT was adversary's plan of "collective salvation", progressive liberalism, to use power, such as the government, to force everyone to be saved, and be good and charitable and equal, to forcce everyone to live as dictated.

    Christ's plan, God's Plan, was of personally working out your salvation, of agency and personal responsiblity, personal charity. liberty and freedom.

    Christ never left anyone behind but loved everyone even those he chastised and called to repentance.

    I find funny, that the extreme left here have no problems with the lies of the democrats and liberals nor their secrecy.

    Party platforms have nothing to with Christ, but of men.

  • Shazandra Bakersfield, CA
    Sept. 29, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    I see Romney as the face of Mormonism on every level, but I am still voting for him. I see the years of service, the struggle and the progress. I also see the flip flops and pandering to public popularity. I see him refusing to be transparent and forthcoming until he decides to... I see a man who won't fully own up to his polygamous ancestors, when in fact, he should be proud of the Pratt side...

    But I see a man who is not conflicted in his world view, no matter how "off" the beaten path it is. And I believe we can trust this man's integrity and devotion to what he does avow. He is the face of what I admire in my Mormon heritage, warts and all.

    Harry Reid is a face rarely seen anywhere in the annals of Mormon history. His ethics are what the church has been reticent to discuss when it has surfaced in its ranks. LDS scholars will not treat his words or platforms in glowing terms. I know if I were his bishop, he'd be in my office for duplicity, contention, and public display unbecoming a member.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    This reminds me of the old proverb: "What Peter says about Paul tells more about Peter than Paul."
    Over the years Harry Reid has pulled some dirty trick on behalf of the Democratic Party. His procedural ploys (usually unsuccessful) are legendary.
    And who can forget Harry calling illegal aliens "Undocumented Americans"?
    All in the name of his agenda. Harry has carried more than his share of filthy water for his party.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 8:09 a.m.

    I have been a registered Republican my entire life. But I don't agree with every jot nor tittle of the Republican platform.

    I am willing to bet there are Democrats who are in the same position regarding the Democratic Party platform. Just because a person is a Democrat does not mean they support abortion on demand, and I have read the Dem Party platform several times, and nowhere can I find anything close to "replace God with government". Where in the world does that come from?

    I also find nothing in the Dem platform that "demeans sacred marriage" or that "make everyone dependant on the government for their livelihood".

    Why tell lies about those you disagree with? The GOP has become overrun by irresponsible people who do not hesitate to make such false claims. And that is why I am a self-confessed RINO... I did not leave the party, the GOP has been hijacked!

    The only hope for us is honesty & truth, and I don't see much of that from my fellow Republicans.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    For Harry Reid to claim that Mitt Romney is not the face of Mormonism and that he has sullied the religion is tantamount to claiming that Obama is the most fiscally prudent President in history. While Mitt Romney has disclosed his tax records for 20 years, Harry Reid has never done his. Harry Reid is a hypocritical sycophant for the Obama regime. You claim falsely that Mitt Romney has sullied the Church, Harry, but you have sullied your conscience and the moral sensitivity of every Latter-Day Saint.

  • Johnnyoh! ,
    Sept. 29, 2012 7:38 a.m.

    Funny a coin changer like Reid would go after Romney for the likes of obama
    Reid has the protection of his position to protect his rants about Romney hasn't paid his taxes, attack Romney personally, and make up lies, rumors and inuendos about the candidate for president.
    This is politics at its worst, but if I was fortunate enough to choose one as a neighbor, it sure in heck would not be Harry (maleficence) Reid.
    November comes a rolling.

  • BobKjar Humble, TX
    Sept. 29, 2012 7:10 a.m.

    Certainly Senator Harry Reid is not the face of Mormonism and many consider him to be a disgrace to the faith. My analysis is that you cannot be a Mormon and a today’s Democrat at the same time. The two are a contradiction in terms. Today the Church stands for an entirely different set of principles than the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party’s efforts to replace God with government, demean sacred marriage, make everyone dependant on the government for their livelihood is, I think, abhorrent to the LDS Church. How can our Democrat Mormon friends explain these inconsistencies and remain both? It doesn’t make sense unless they are trying to restore the party to what it once was before the current crowd took over.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 5:37 a.m.

    Harry is right most LDS didn't have to decide to run for president before becoming pro life.

  • Sophie 62 spring city, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 1:23 a.m.

    This is what Romney said. “There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what—who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it,"
    I am part of the 47% who will vote for Obama. I pay taxes of all kinds, have never been on any kind of government welfare. All the Democrats I know have full-time jobs, their own business, or other employment. Some are full time moms. Not one is on welfare.
    Of the 47% who do not pay taxes, many are Republicans, retired, disabled, returning veterans, formerly employed but laid off, working full time at low paying jobs, students. Or downright wealthy with loopholes only they can afford. (About 1,400 millionaires)
    Everyone voting for Obama is dependent on the governemt? Incorrect. They all pay no income taxes? Wrong again. They all refuse to take responsibility for their own lives? Wrong. If you believe he's right, you haven't checked the facts.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 1:14 a.m.

    When I see the name of the church: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I think of Jesus Christ. So then, the true face of Mormonism is Jesus Christ who is our Lord and Savior.

    Harry Reid took this opportunity to use as a political ploy. He wants to turn as many people as possible against Romney to make sure his protégé, Barak Obama gets in again. Reid does not want to have anything threaten his cushy job of many years and will do anything to keep it.

  • Gregg Weber SEATTLE, WA
    Sept. 29, 2012 12:45 a.m.

    The end of the article mentions the word "diverse" and how that is good. I disagree. Diverse opens the door to a schism. In times of trouble to come we need to be united. That means that the fear of debate about politics, and some other matters, that is in the church must cease. Instead there should be debate. A method I have used is written questions and answers either with name or anonymously submitted. However it is, we must become one. Now to leave with 2 words and you might think of this example of history. "United Order".

  • Sophie 62 spring city, UT
    Sept. 29, 2012 12:38 a.m.

    To Jon W. You asked if government welfare strengthens famililes. You meant you don't think it does, I believe. There are so many reasons why a family might have to resort to governmental programs at one time or another. Do you realize how many people who have always worked, now are out of work, or work full time but at a low paying job that doesn't meet even basic requirements? For some families, keeping even a modest roof over their heads means getting help. It doesn't mean they have a character deficit. It doesn't mean they will be in that position forever. But thank heaven they can feed their children and have the basics until work becomes available that adequately pays the bills. Would you rather have families on the streets, when through no fault of their own, they no longer have that good job they once had?
    It isn't correct to lump all people who have governemt benefits of some sort into the 'irresponsible' category. In fact it's not only incorrect, but insulting. Most people would rather have a good job with more money than be on government assistance.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:11 p.m.

    Medow Lark,

    I find it interesting that you would have Reed prove that Romney did not pay a fair percentage of his income to tax, when compared to the middle class, the working poor, and the poor.

    Since it is Romney that is running for President, and not Reed, wouldn’t it be more logical for
    Romney to present the last ten years of his tax returns, like other presidents have done, thus removing the suspension that Romney might have something to hide.

    We won’t even go into Romney’s off shore accounts, which may be to avoid paying taxes.

    Do we really want a President that hides his personal financial life from those that he wishes to serve as President ?

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:08 p.m.

    Americans are as dumb as any other people on the earth. Unless you are part of the 47% who rely upon the government for EVERYTHING, don't take offense at Mitt's calling you out. "The guilty take the truth to be hard"... And if you are Harry Reid and trying to win another term for the destroyer, Obama, by trying to split the Mormon vote, we see through it. Of course Romney is not the voice of Mormonism, but he is a hundred times closer to what most Mormons want in a President than Obama is. Romney will do great things for America. Just like the Olympics.

  • midcl REXBURG, ID
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:51 p.m.

    Harry Reid brands himself. Can you imagine Mitt Romney making that kind of a comment about Reid? Reid very willingly plays the part of the Dem attack dog.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    the hawk: Snowman, so the mean people like the nice old ww2 vet I know that is now retired? I call him a patriot not a leach. Are you demanding that he work and pay taxes until the day he dies? You go ahead and slap him in the face by letting him know that he is aa drain on the country even though he fought and paid taxes for years. Im sure he will appreciate it.

    Yes he served his country as did many people but not all of them are getting assitance. If he can work he should. But the tax payers of this country do not owe, him or anyone else that refuses to work, a living.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:08 p.m.

    @FT The "dead" are judging? Which dead? Could you explain?

    @ CTM Sure Harry Reid has the right to his own political opinions. But whether or not Mitt Romney is "the face" of Mormonism isn't a political opinion. It's personal and therefore he shoud keep that kind of opinion to himself. So should the original blog writer. Yes, yes...freedom of speech and all that, but that particular point in the Constitution is misused badly in more cases than we can keep track of at election time.

    How presumptuous of ANYONE, especially any other LDS member (who really should know better) to make a statement like that. It reeks of arrogance.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:42 p.m.

    As a gentile who moved to Utah 30 years ago I always have been flabbergasted about how judgemental Mormons are. The comments on this blog are a great example of it. The only ones for sure that know how God is judging Mitt's life or Harry's life or your own is the dead. And they're not talking.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:26 p.m.

    Mitt Romney may not be the face of Mormonism but neither is Harry Reid.

    The only reason the Reid has the time to lie about Mitt (paid not taxes in ten years? Get real!) is because Reid has been busy not passing a budget for the last three years, cramming Obama care down our throats and backing up Obama's economy destroying policies.

    There is a reason that the vast majority of the LDS people support Romney.
    There is also a reason that every LDS person I know thinks that Reid is an embarrassment.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:19 p.m.

    We should be honest in are dealing with our fellow man...

    Except, of course, when one of us is running for the POTUS...for Pete's sake.

    romney said he wasn't going to let fact checkers determine his campaign message.

    fox news (we report it, you fall for it) will report whatever romney tells them to report.

    It's not a lie, as long as you believe it.

    It's not a lie, as long as romneybots believe the lie.

  • VA Saint Chester, VA
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:54 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal
    Jesus wasn't crucified by the "ultra-religious conservatives" he was crucified by the pagan Romans.

  • phillyfanatic LONG BEACH, CA
    Sept. 28, 2012 6:35 p.m.

    Perhaps all voters should compare the ethics, corruption factors and realize that the entire Reid enterprise in NV> has had scandals, charges and odd land deals. Mitt is a good , Godly man who is not only corrupt but does not depend on prevarications as Reid does especially since NV> has such a huge jobless rate due to Reid-Obama's policies.

  • CTM SAN ANTONIO, TX
    Sept. 28, 2012 6:06 p.m.

    @patriot in Cedar Hills

    I'm just wondering if your brother in the stake presidency in Las Vegas is really giving out confidential information that could be gained only from a temple recommend interview. If he is, I'm wondering if those at Church HQs are aware of this and the breach of confidence it entails.

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    The point is, for all we really know, both Gov. Romney and Sen. Reid are members of the Church in good standing. They may differ in their political views but none of the rest of has any right whatsoever to make a judgment on their relative worthiness or anything like it.

    Reading these comments saddens me. Gov. Romney should be able to run on his record and his integrity instead of being forced to pander to the far right extremists of the Republican party. Sen. Reid has a right to his political opinions. We are taught to love and serve and support one another. Why so eager to jump on the bandwagon of hatred, slander, and character assassination? This should be a shining moment for the LDS Church, but it's like we are shooting ourselves in the foot.

  • boxerdog915 Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 5:55 p.m.

    First of all, Reid is an idiot for he's doing it all for political reasons, making him just as guitly as the rest of the corrupt politicians in this country.

    Secondly, this whole 47% comment is being taken to a ridiculous level. The LDS church helps those in need because these people need it and it's only until they (the poor or needy) get back on their feet again to become self reliant. The 47% Romney is talking about are people in this country who demand the government to take care of them and expect it. Example, Peggy Jospeh, who said she doesn't have to worry about her morgage or gas bill because Obama will pay it for me or the woman in the news a couple days ago, who said Obama needs to be re-elected because he bought me a cell phone. REALLY!?! Mr. Reid should know this because he is on the band wagon for this very agenda: big government to take care of everyone instead of the people taking care of themselves. Reid is more of an embarassment than Romney within the Mormon church!!

    FYI - Not a Romeny supporter!

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Sept. 28, 2012 5:52 p.m.

    JDS1 You need to do some research outside of fox news. There have been many incidents of dishonesty including Romney saying that OBama is going to change the welfare program so that work will no longer be required.

    It’s been three weeks since Mitt Romney first took fire for asserting that the Obama administration “gutted” work requirements in welfare. When the first ad was released, PolitiFact took the lead in debunking its claim that under Obama’s plan, “they just send you your welfare check,” giving it the highest rating of “Pants on Fire.” FactCheck.org followed suit, and the Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler offered a similar denunciation, giving the ad “four Pinnochios.”

    Just one example.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    3 Nephi Ch. 12
    22 But I say unto you, that whosoever is angry with his brother shall be in danger of his judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council; and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    23 Therefore, if ye shall come unto me, or shall desire to come unto me, and rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee—

    24 Go thy way unto thy brother, and first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come unto me with full purpose of heart, and I will receive you.

    I guess that since Harry has made his condemnation of Mitt public, we should someday see a public reconciliation made. That will be a cold day in hell.

  • TexasBlue Flower Mound, TX
    Sept. 28, 2012 5:46 p.m.

    I appreciate the fact that Mitt is a faithful LDS "person", but as far as politics and the election go, I could care less what religion he is. He could be a member of the Community Church of Timbucktoo and still be a better choice to lead this Country than Obama could ever dream of being.

    For those who claim to be liberal and LDS, I can't help but see you as either hypocrites, uninformed or uneducated. Compare the church teachings with the entire Democratic platform, keyword "entire". The church teaches self-reliance, not government-reliance. I can't imagine supporting the party that would "boo" when forced to include God in their Party platform, gay marriage, abortion, etc., etc., should I go on? A vote for Obama gives you all those items, whether you like it or not, you're not free to pick and choose - that is your party's beliefs.

    You're either a follower of church teachings or you're not. Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters..." As far as Harry Reid, we know which master he follows.

  • gottscheer APO, AE
    Sept. 28, 2012 5:27 p.m.

    Harry Reid is the biggest liar that I have ever seen. Harry Reid is the one who claimed Mitt Romney hadn't paid taxes for the past 10 years. Mitt Romney submitted 20 years of tax summaries for the press. If Harry Reid were in my ward I would not raise my hand to sustain him. Harry Reid is a traitor to our country and to our religion. The man has been Majority Leader of the Senate for the last four years and submitted one budget. It is his Constitutional Duty to submit a budget. What does this say about the man?

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 5:24 p.m.

    We can only pray for Brother Reid. He needs all the help he can get. So senile at such a young age... I truly feel sorry for him.

  • grandmagreat Lake Havasu City, AZ
    Sept. 28, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    Boy, Satan can use almost anyone at anytime. I suggest that Harry Reid get down on his knees and ask for some help. It really appears that he needs some. I think we are back in time to when people voted Democrat, or Republican, whichever they desired, without having any knowledge about the candidates themselves. This happened in the 30's amd 40's because communication was not as good as it is today. I guess we all need to pray for both Mitt Romney, and for Harry Reed, for two different reasons.

    Brother Reed, it would be interesting to know what church callings you have had, and if your are active at this time, or is politics taking up too much time and does not allow you to attend your church meetings?

  • djk blue springs, MO
    Sept. 28, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    i find harry reid a bit of sour grapes. he supports issues which are not really good standards. romney was raised with dignity and to work for a living. yes brother romney is wealthy, he has worked hard for the income. harry reid seems to be black balling the election to make sure he has a seat to sit on and a chance to vote. personally i am sad to see his comments in news papers. i have non member friends whom ask me about reid and why he stands for abortion and other issues.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 5:00 p.m.

    I am convinced that many members of the LDS crowd, Harry Reid included, do not understand the concept of Agency. Jesus never believed in force and yet there are members of the LDS faith who either don't understand the difference between force and agency, or who willfully give their agency to something that can and is being used to deny it, and thereby are complicit in this satanic inspired devotion. This war, once fought before this life and decisively won in favor of agency, is being fought again on the grounds that the ends justify the means. Hitler, Lennin, and others felt the same way. Oh, but this is a America, you say. It is different here. Sorry, humans the world over are the same if given the power to deliver on their evil designs. Wake up!

  • CRB Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    Sorry to break it to you Mike in Cedar City but the 47% number is from the administration and it is a fact. Romney's comments were right on and illustrate the way the liberal agenda has disenfranchised those who were there most ardent supporters the poor, innercity, young and struggling and the middle class and small business. These are the ones who Obama's economy, taxes and opressive burden have hurt he very most. Yes Obama is the one that has done all these things to his own constituents then when they are hopless and their opportunities to better themselves are gone, he gives them foodstamps and welfare and tells them to go their way and be healed. The Republicans offer hope and opportunity to us all, they don't throw scraps of fish to us, they teach us to fish and clear the way so we can do it ourselves. This is true compassion. The liberal agenda blows smoke and when it clears we are worse off and when we look up they say that we just need to lower our expectations and vote them in again as they lavish themselves as Emperors.

  • hermounts Pleasanton, CA
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Okay, two things: One, Reid himself has "sullied" Mormonism, or at least himself, by his recent repetition of the canard that Romney hasn't paid his taxes in ten years. Second, Greg Prince needs to understand the distinction between the responsibility of the church to care for the poor (primary) and that of the state (secondary at best).

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:44 p.m.

    It really scares me to think that Reid is the "face of Mormonism," or even a representative of a free United States republic. He's obviously the kind of person who will not only be used by others, but will sell his soul to gain favor with some sleazy power brokers who make dishonesty their stock and trade. We're seeing dirty politics at the extreme, as people try to take our eye off the ball (and the issues) and portray Romney as a heartless thug. I wish Harry had joined some other denomination--maybe he could even be the face of Islam, but I doubt they'd want him either.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:43 p.m.

    I feel some compassion for Harry Reid since I, too have stuck my foot in my mouth and have made public unrighteous judgements. It doesn't feel good. He's probably feeling like a dolt.

    It's funny to me that for all the service and charity Mitt has rendered over the years, even when there were no cameras around to catch it, for all the money Mitt has given to charity above and beyond tithing,and for all the times he has explained that he does indeed care about the poor, the main stream media will not report on it. They insist on harping over and over ad nauseum on Mitt's unfortunately captured words, forever twisting their context, contending that they know better than the man himself does what he meant.

    Sadly, those who buy into the tainted, viscious and mean-spirited message and repeat those words intentionally trying to label him as selfish, rich and uncaring...those hwo vote for his opponent based on empty promises are shooting themselves in the foot. Ultimately a vote for Obama is a vote for failure of our country.

  • CRB Woods Cross, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:41 p.m.

    This is not about Romney, it is about Reid. Yep this is the same guy who said Romney has not paid taxes for 10 years and keeps an elephant hidden. He is unhinged. He is the same guy in a talk last year at BYU questioned the value of living prophets and continuing revelation. Do not judge Romney by the untruths spoken by the Obama campaign. The Obama campaign has taken the very things they have done and are guilty of and pretended like they are Romney's policies. Reid is simply their least credible spokesman and frankly an embarassment to his profession, and a lot more.

  • mr3futbol American Fork, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    Harry Reid said he agreed with another person that Mitt Romney is not the face of Mormonism, which he is not so why is everyone up in arms. I would think that members of the church would never want a politician to be the face of their religion. The religion is based on Christ, and Christ should be the face of Mormonism not a power-hungry politician.

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    We now know that it was Hillary Clinton’s campaign that first questioned Barack Obama’s birthplace and religion, as she battled against him for their party’s nomination (see Wikipedia article on BO citizenship conspiracy theories). Look at how many today are convinced that he is not a U.S. citizen and is a practicing Muslim, based on lies.

    Conversely, when Harry Reid chose to claim that Mitt Romney paid no taxes for the past 10 years, he also chose the reality that Romney, a fellow Saint, will now be identified by some, even down through history, as a tax cheat.

    Bearing false witness/lying is no small matter to the Lord. He informs us that: “Those who love and make a lie”, will inherit the same place as sorcerers, adulterers and whoremongers in the Spirit World. (D&C 76:103).

  • VitaMan Park City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    Senator Reid is a hypocrite. Those that criticize Romney for this 47% statement are out of step with Mormonism. The Church has always taught the principles of helping those in need. But not in the way Mitt Romney was criticizing. We have always taught that you show compassion but return the individual to self sufficiency as soon as their able. Romney's comment on the 47% reflect on those that have become dependant on a system which does not create self sufficiency. Obama has recently eviscerated last requirements in the federal welfare system of trying to separate the United States from the European welfare systems that have created the economic disaster that is occurring there.

    Sen. Reid needs to quit supporting an individual in Pres. Obama who epitomizes everything that opposes religious freedom to not enforcing obscenity laws to trying to create an unsustainable welfare state.

    I know Mitt Romney he helped me get to a point of having a successful life. Politicians like Reid have only tried to make my life harder. In my opinion Harry Reid is the one who has sullied my religion.

  • kargirl Sacramento, CA
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    How easy it is, I imagine, to think that Romney's LDS-ness is not taken as representative of the whole group if one is among many of the same group. But any of us who were raised knowing that we might be the only LDS person many people who meet us may know are aware, as Romney should have been, as a Michigander, that everything he said or did is considered as representative of his unusual faith. I was always aware of that, never lost it, although I have lived in Utah and now in CA, where there are many of my faith and who know of it. Senator Reid is right, Romney is not "the face" of our faith, if he means by that, representative of our behavior and way of treating others, as far as I see, and the Senator knows him. I agree, the Savior is indeed the face of our religion, we are to emulate Him. But Mr. Romney is, sadly, who many think of when they think of us. I wish they would also think of the Savior, for Whom our church is named.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:26 p.m.

    @ falasha Remember "judge not"? Why does it matter so much to you what Mitt does with his money? We have our God given agency to do what we think is best with our money. Perhaps Mitt is looking out for his wife who has MS when he builds an elevator. I honestly don't know nor do I can to police what the rich do with their money. If they want to stash it in the Caymen Islands, fine! If they want to buy 6 BMWs, that's up to them. it's probably best to let God judge Mitt in these matters.

    LDS Lib...It amazes me that folks like you are taking Mitt's word so literally. Have you even once tried to see his 47% statement in terms of a campaign strategy? It doesn't take that much intelligence to figure it out. And yet the most vociferous libs along with the mainstream media (aka Obamites) can't seem to grasp the notion of a public speaker using exaggeration to excite his audience. Which is all Mitt was doing.Dems clulessness on this is ironic since Obama does it all the time.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    Well apparently someone in Salt Lake City thought Romney was a pretty good representative of the church. He was a Bishop and Stake President. Harry Reid should have NEVER brought religion into this. He is stirring up people to contend one with It's fine to say he disagrees with Romney's politics. He needs to issue a formal apology to Mitt Romney and his family and then stop speaking.

  • AZfarmer Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:18 p.m.

    How does Harry Reid honestly answer the question Are you honest in your dealings with your fellow men? Oh right, he can't. He must lie to cover up all the backhanded, under-the-table, shady deals he makes in the Senate. If anyone has sullied Mormonism, it's Harry Reid.

  • Caprice PROVIDENCE, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:12 p.m.

    Although Mitt Romney is not the face of Mormonism, because of his visibility to the general public, he is for many individuals the most visible Mormon they are aware of. I would like to add that Mitt Romney's pristine values, integrity, observance to living the ten commandments, his faithfulness to his wife of 43 years, coupled with his lifetime of service within the Mormon Church, make him an ideal face to identify with Mormonism, unlike that of Harry Reid. While Harry Reid has many good qualities, his depth of devotion to Mormonism is not even close to that of Romney's. Through no fault of his own, he grew up outside of the Mormon Church and later became a convert. Romney's devotion to the high principles of Mormonism are difficult to challenge as he has been incredibly faithful and devoted throughout his entire life. Harry Reid is hardly in the same category with a man of Mitt Romney's devotion to goodness and higher laws.

  • ldrake50 WVC, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:03 p.m.

    To TheHOYT, I agree 100% with your comment. To Everyone else, I don't know the web address, but yesterday I read seven articles about the things Mitt has done privately and quietly. No press. No "look at how good I am". Romney is the read deal, Harry Reid ... I agree with JDSI!

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    @atl134

    You're spinning the 47% / People not caring, etc, etc. and you know it. Spin it however you want. You and the left are much like those who know one scripture in the bible but claim to understand the entire book. You spin it to fit your own mold and what you do. Like I said, you know exactly what Romney was talking about and how he meant it.

    I don't know if Romney is going to win, I hope so. If he doesn't I have to live with it, albeit I have to watch the country I care about go further and further down the drain. How anyone like you or anyone else could want to vote for Obama again after these last four years is beyond me.

    Anyway, look at it how you want. But instead of pounding your way about it, try being a little more open minded. Like I said, you know what he meant.

  • curious george Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    Mr. Reid is nothing more than an arrogant fool doing his masters biding so that he might maintain his position in office. Having watched his actions for years it is obvious he is the least qualified to lecture about who might be the face of Mormonism. Dem. or Rep., the people of Nevada should have run this guy out of office long ago. He is truly an embarrassment to his constituents, Latter Day Saints and this country as a whole.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Sept. 28, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    This is a needed conversation as millions of people see the Mormons either through Mitt Romney or Harry Reid. What is most interesting to me is the face of Utah Mormons as may be reflected in the Congressional race. Lest Utah Mormons dismiss every negative comment about them as an attack on their faith, I wish DN would conduct a survey of Utah based Mormons living outside of Utah and see how they feel about raising their families in side Utah. I've heard far too many comments from very active Mormons concerning this to not realize that there are different perspectives.

  • 4BS St George, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    @ Craig Crowd. Liberals who call themselves LDS need to remain a timid crowd at church, because one cannot embrace the democratic platform and maintain LDS values. Pure and simply...Hypocrisy.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 3:09 p.m.

    Jealousy has made Harry Reid even less rational than before, if that were possible. He and Joe Biden are becoming soul mates. I'm not judging Mitt Romney's face, but Sen. Reid is only the face of an ambulance chasing Las Vegas personal injury attorney who loves the attention of left wing politics.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    DNews really hit a home run with this national story. I met Mitt's Dad on many occassions growing up. A great, great man. I never looked at him as a Mormon and would not do the same with his son. This election is not a referendum on the Mormon church. The choice is between 2 men and the policy positions they would pursue.

  • falasha Mount Laurel, NJ
    Sept. 28, 2012 2:53 p.m.

    It's great that Romney is successful, but does he need to tear down his $12M La Jolla, CA home and rebuild at twice the size (11k sqft)? Why does he need a $50k car elevator in his new house? As Joseph Smith said, our expenditures for the poor should be so excessive that it makes it very difficult to afford luxuries. In other words, "I am sorry dear, but we spent another $5M on autism therapies and research this month, I don't know if we can afford to buy another Cadillac - can it wait?"

    Alma1:30 And thus, in their prosperous circumstances, they did not send away any who were naked, or that were hungry, or that were athirst, or that were sick, or that had not been nourished; and they did not set their hearts upon riches; therefore they were liberal to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, whether out of the church or in the church, having no respect to persons as to those who stood in need.

  • papi_chulo Ogden, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    The face of Mormonism...if you want to call it that, should be the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. You want to see someone who lives a completely different lives the Reid or Romney, why don't others try and take a look at his life as he exempifies what mormonism really is by the way he lives and dedicates his life.

  • Topher Herriman, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 2:40 p.m.

    If Mitt has "Sullied" his religion, I am sure that someone higher than a member of that faith and a Politician would have said something to Mitt. The fact that it comes from a Democrat that places socialism over freedom makes it even less credible.
    Facts being what they are, Mr Reid D-Nevada has done more to sully not only his religion, but his state and country than Mitt ever would or could.
    Serving a political party that wants to take God out of everything should not be judging someone on religious grounds and whether they've "sullied" it.
    At best, even if Mitt did "sully" his religion, it would be a case of the Pot calling the Kettle black.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 2:40 p.m.

    Just a couple of notes... my brother is in a stake presidency in Las Vegas and believe me when I say that brother Harry is NOT in good standing with his politics and the Church. Enough said. Secondly, I am so tired of the lying - the constant lying - that is foundational in the Democratic party... especially nationally. This disgraceful party is about as far from Christian values as humanly possible. We can go point by point but I don't have near enough words in this message board. The entire Obama campaign - along with the disgraceful media (NBC, ABC, CBC) represents a new low for America no question. There is GREAT reason to worry for ALL Americans if Obama gets a second term but even more reason to worry if there are 50% or more who maintain the ignorant, victim, entitlement mentality which seems to represent the bulk of the Obama voting block.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    As a 50 year active member of the LDS church and returned missionary I can say with 100% confidence that what Mitt said about the 47% being victims or having a victim / entitlement mentality is ABSOLUTELY TRUE. At what point do we reject truth over political correctness in the Church?? Now who knows if it is 47% or 41% - doesn't really matter. The point is there is a LARGE number in this country who maintain this victim mentality that the Democratic party falsely pushes and as members of the Church we have the obligation to seek after truth - not follow popular political trends or views. Sometimes the truth is not pretty - sometimes the truth down right hurts but truth is truth! Polling data supports Mitt's claims especially in the BIG cities of America. Harry Reid is apostate in much of what he represents and legislates so we won't be listening or caring about Harry. Reid supports late term unrestricted abortion and gay marriage both of which are contrary to Church standards and beliefs. Reid recently slandered Mitt about his taxes - completely bearing false witness.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 2:06 p.m.

    Delusional? What is more delusional than a democrat that believes that the same government that was going to end poverty 50 years ago only made it much much, much, worse are the same followers who believe that government is going to solve all the rest of our social ills? How can anyone argue for more government involvement considering the record of such attempts? This is ludicrous! Wake up? Karl Marx espoused the same philosophy as the progressive liberals. He was going to solve the problems of society by taking control of everything and look at what happened? How naive can you be to believe that communism is the answer? When the powerful are in control and making decisions (government leaders), they only do one thing, exercise 'unrighteous dominion'. Anyone familiar with LDS scriptures ought to know what happens when you give people power? The only people that are hurt are the ones whom Harry Reid and government say they want to help, the poor. Harry is taking care of Harry Reid and getting more miserable in the process! Communism,or something similar, will only destroy America. Wake up!

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    I have to laugh at some of the posts I have read today!

    I am assuming that "LDS Liberal" is a Mormon. I too am Mormon.

    I would claim both of us as one of the faces of Mormonism and yet you probably could not find a more diametrical opposed viewpoints as ours.

    He sees white I see black, He sees down, I see up.

    Despite that, I believe that we share a faith. A faith that lends itself to many approaches. One of the things I observe in the LDS church is the penchant for judgement among the members. We love to rate our activity, faithfulness, and devotion by arbitrary standards, some political.

    I know Mitt Romney as a local leader. He is a good and decent man who is a true believer.

    That being said, I am not supporting him because of our shared faith or because I believe he represents my faith, I am supporting him because we need someone to fix this economy.

    We need someone who can undo the damage done by both political parties over the last 6 years.

    I believe that Mitt Romney is that person.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    Gee, let me think.

    Maybe Harry ought to check his party platform.

    Abortion?

    Gay marriage?

    Government removing peoples free agency?

    Government replacing accountability/reponsibility with dependence on govt programs?

    The actual answer is neither man is "the face" of mormonism but if you are looking for a person who more closely mirrors the tenants of the religion, well that is a no-brainer.

    Harry is a disgrace and embarrassment. Period. Regardless of religious ideology.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:50 p.m.

    @MoJules
    "So Harry Reid, when you get a temple recommend, you are asked if you are honest in your dealings. Were you honest about Romney not paying taxes and are you being honest by not doing your paid job, which requires a budget?"

    As opposed to Romney who has blatantly and repeatedly lied about Obama saying that he got rid of the work requirement for welfare, despite numerous factchecking agencies finding that false, and Obama was only agreeing to something suggested by governors like Sandoval (R-NV) and Herbert (R-UT)?

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:49 p.m.

    Mike In Cedar City said:

    "This sheer dishonesty of the Romney campaign has been a sad surprise to me .... "

    We have 4 Americans murdered in Libya, and your boy told a bald faced lie to the American public from the get go about it.

    Is this also a "sad surprise" to you, Mike In Cedar City???

  • cambodia girl Phnom Penh, Cambodia
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    I love the title "Junkyard Dog" for Harry Reid! Perfect!!

  • jzwillows willows, ca
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    A politician whose positions change according to what will win an election rather than conviction is not a good example, but neither is a policitian as shady as a Harry Reid.

  • Stephen Kent Ehat Lindon, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    I thought it was kind of cute that the very first sentence of this article begins thus: "U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the highest ranking member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the United States government, . . ."

    Oops.

    Harry Reid is the highest ranking member of the United States Senate who is also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Nothing in the article deals with his "rank" in the Church.

    I know. It's just a "misplaced modifier" type of error, but nonetheless kind of fun.

    Oh, and as for Mr. Reid's comments about Mitt Romney, are the relevant to voters? I can't recall whether people cared that George Washington was the face of Episcopalianism. He sure was a good general, commander-in-chief, president, and patriot.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" actually, Jesus would be considered a modern day conservative.

    He advocated personally helping others, not depending on somebody else to do it for you. He also wanted people to choose whether they would follow him or not. The liberals and their ilk want to force us to help others and want to remove as many of our choices as possible.

    Also, the Pharasees in the time of Jesus were equal to todays modern liberals. They believed in the power of government, and were seeking to make their will and desires the law. The pharasees claimed the support of the poor and lower class, while using this as justification to stay in power.

    Jesus never rebuked the rich, he rebuked the hypocrites and those that were engaged in lifestyles contrary to the Gospel. (I know you want to bring in the story of the rich young man, but he wasn't rebuked for his wealth, but for loving money more than Jesus).

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:06 p.m.

    MoJules
    Florissant, MO
    So Harry Reid, when you get a temple recommend, you are asked if you are honest in your dealings. Were you honest about Romney not paying taxes and are you being honest by not doing your paid job, which requires a budget?

    12:37 p.m. Sept. 28, 2012

    ===========

    MoJules,

    Mitt Romney just realeased his tax returns for 2011

    He paid $1.1 million to the LDS Church (I assume most went towards Tithing)
    on his $13.7 in earnings.

    I suggest before you start casting stones about someone Temple Worthiness,
    You shoudld consider looking seriously at both of them.

    And FYI -- Flip-Flopping is also not being honest with your fellow man.

  • CypressSteve Cypress, CA
    Sept. 28, 2012 1:02 p.m.

    Perhaps the thing that sullies Mormonism more than anything else is the members' tendency to judge one another, even though specifically commanded by God not to do so. (Do I really need to provide a Biblical reference here?) But to add even more irony: One politician calling another "dishonest."

    Another useless distraction while "Rome" burns.

  • ProudUtahn St. George, Utah
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    "But on Reid's comment calling Romney the most secretive Presidential candidate since Richard Nixon, Senator Reid hit the bull's eye with that shot."
    What about the current President? His birth certificate lists as the country his father was born in as one that did not exist for over another 10 years or the hospital listed as place of birth did not have the name change to that for another 2 or 3 years after his birth (something fishy with that one) or President Oboma's school and college transcripts being closed and he spending thousands of dollars to keep them closed. Yet they go after Mitt Romney's tax returns for the last 5 years. Where is President Oboma's tax returns? Lets hold them to the same standard!!! Mitt Romney's comment on the 47% look at the real statement he made and in context then see if it was correct or not. Don't go by the media or regurgitaion of non facts.

  • pragmatictperson York, ME
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    This is not a race for who is the most popular in one's religious persuasion or the face of, this is a Presidential race to the White House. In our constitution there is the No Test Religious Clause. Anyone of any religion can become president if they meet certain criteria. They are not judged on their freedom of religious choice and how they worship. The people of the United States are not so concerned about Mitt Romney's religious persuasion as they are about how he can restore America, get people back to work and hopefully allow people to have a little spare change in their pockets. Mitt Romney does not represent Mormonism, yes he is a Mormon and people will notice that for sure however this is not a race about Mormons, this is a race about the next President of the United States. I am surprised and disgusted about Mr. Reid bringing religion on the political front for his personal agenda. That is sure how it looks to me!

  • Built2Last Provo, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    TheHOYT,

    Thank you for putting Romney's comments in context. I love how the liberal pundits take a comment and spin it to be a complete falsehood. And it exposes the intelligence level of Prince and Reid, or at least their reading comprehension level, to be very poor when they pile on.

    What Romney said was very accurate and precise. The 47% want the government to provide for them. They have become slaves to the Democrats. He wasn't "writing them off" as inconsequential citizens. All he was saying is that he likely will not get their vote so he's not going to waste a bunch of time trying.

    Every American should be disgusted that our country has devolved to the point that so many able-bodied people are too lazy or so lost that they choose not to provide for themselves. And they should be disgusted by those who foster this servitude through their brand of "charity." You think Obama is so compassionate. But all he is doing is making the inevitable gravy train crash so much worse for so many people.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    To Ross 11:58 a.m. Sept. 28, 2012

    Like Obama, we have heard enough from Mr. Reid to know that trusting his words to contain truth of any kind is a foolish and unproductive endeavor. No discernible credibility in the statement from Mr. Reid, wouldn't expect any in further statements either.

    -----------------------

    I have found Senator Reid to be a lot more truthful than Willard Mitt Romney could ever dream of being. Willard wouldn't recognize the truth if it reached up and bit him on the butt.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    Mitt Romney has become the representative of the Mormon Church to many Americans. The question arises if the LDS Church wants to be seen as ideologically extremist as Romney has become in his quest for the presidency. Many consider the LDS Church to be conservative and it has its history of being associated with some of the most extreme Right-Wing organizations to be found. But this does not mean that it accepts these views at its core.

    Many Mormons are politically progressive in their thinking. They may follow the socially conservative views of the LDS Church, but there are contradictions which do not fit well with the history of the LDS Church in its early days. Even some of the Church's current policies do not sit well with some of the more conservative members of the Right.

    However, there are conservative members of the Mormon hierarchy who exert influence in such a way as if they are authorities on Church doctrine and practice. It is these people, like Mitt Romney, who help develop the stereotype of Mormon believers in all things social and political. It's complicated, but you have both apples and oranges in the religious mix.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    They are both the face of Mormonism, that is called agency. I have not agreed with either of them based on my values as a Mormon. I tend to marvel that Reid is a Mormon, he really seems to be looking the other way when it comes to what Obama does, especially the gay marriage and abortion issues. There are some wonderful Democrats that represent the values of their religions and there are some who seem to sell their soul. I think Harry Reid is just finally taking a chance to point the "Mormon finger", since I am sure that there are a lot that have been pointed at him. So Harry Reid, when you get a temple recommend, you are asked if you are honest in your dealings. Were you honest about Romney not paying taxes and are you being honest by not doing your paid job, which requires a budget?

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    Thomas S. Monson is the current face of the Church. Gordon B. Hinckley was prior, and so forth.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    @UtahBruin
    "He didn't say 47% didn't care about responsibility "

    You don't need something to be explicitly mentioned in the same sentence to establish a link between two things. If you're giving essentially a paragraph about the 47% and then say they don't care about personal responsibility... that's a trait that was being attributed to the 47%.

    "Nope, they all don't vote for Obama, some will vote for Romney. "

    Right, that's what I said. Romney was the one asserting they all vote for Obama and that he can't get their votes. He's the one that pegged the 47% that don't pay income taxes as the 47% that Obama has guaranteed support from.

    @Liberal Ted
    "I guess reid isn't the face of Mormonism either."

    He never said he was. All he's saying is that people shouldn't consider Romney the face of it. Probably a good idea. That 43/50 approval rating split for Romney is probably worse than the approval rating split for the LDS church.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    Two strikes for Brother Reid.
    1) The tax return allegation.
    2) Mitt's not a "good" Mormon.

    At what point do we conclude that Harry is the problem?

  • md Cache, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    @BlueDevil re:"It is this blind allegiance, unquestioning, just because he is a member, that is the most dangerous aspect of this campaign and following."

    Any Democrat discussing blind allegiance who neglects to look in the mirror and see what his president's constituents are doing is a serious hypocrite.

    A vote for B.O. to continue the status quo is only weakening our country more than ever. He is the worst president this country has ever seen. Bar none.

  • Jefferson Kalispell, MT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:11 p.m.

    So Senator Reid "heard" from a "reliable source' that Romney hadn't paid taxes in ten years. Romney produces tax returns and certification from his accountant, but no apology from Senator Reid, whom I heard from a reliable source may have abused armadillos. Then Senator Reid claims that Romney is massaging his charitable contributions to make it look like he is in line with LDS policy when he really isn't. Not even Romney's bishop is in a position to do that, as that declaration is a matter between Romney and the Lord. Senator Reid has been the "face" of the Democratic Party fairly consistently over the past couple of years - the party that has a hard time with Deity in their platform, but no problem with abortion. The party that officially has a hard time with Israel but still struggles with definitions of words like "is" (see Bill Clinton) and "marriage." Thankfully, no individual is the "Face of Mormonism," and while individuals may "sully" themselves and be poor examples of Church teachings, they do not sully the Church or the gospel.

  • md Cache, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    Neither of these men is the "face of Mormonism". However, I believe that Mitt has been a better example of Mormonism than Harry.

  • RH2011 Payson, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    Who is Reid to say that Romney is the face of Mormonism? I don't think any of the 14+ million members of the Church is the face of Mormonism; except maybe the Prophet. We are all mere mortals, doing the best we can. I think in this case it is the pot calling the kettle black. The Savior said it best: "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone".

  • Ross Madison, AL
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    Like Obama, we have heard enough from Mr. Reid to know that trusting his words to contain truth of any kind is a foolish and unproductive endeavor. No discernible credibility in the statement from Mr. Reid, wouldn't expect any in further statements either.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    "Harry Reid has combined his religion with Government. Does anyone even wonder what happens when someone does this? All are influenced by their values, but when someone begins to act as if they are one and the same, it is scarey."

    Kind of like Brigham Young did? Really, you want to go there? How long was Utah, and the other early church settlements run by a theocracy? Let's really not go there, please.

    Liberal Ted wrote...

    "If reid claims his religion, and barack claims Jesus and the bible direct them in their welfare, entitlement and steal from others policies. Then why didn't Jesus just come down and run for office and redistribute the wealth? Why did he take time to teach people how to think, act and be independent? Why didn't he spend more time with the "learned" "lawyers" "rulers" to bring about "change"."

    Ummm... because He told us to do that. To feed the poor, cloth the naked, take care of the widows, look out for the unfortunate. "We", as in "We the People" use government to do things we individually can't do or are of scale that we can't do it alone. Silly.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:45 a.m.

    JDSI claimed "Sorry Mike in Cedar City, Romney has not been dishonest in anything he has said and done"

    really.... really? Do we really have to build a list of things he and his campaign have claimed that were not true?

    I don't want to go into rolling these things out on a public forum, because simply that advances the cause not one bit.

    Does this go along the line of America has never done anything it needs to apologize for. Now we have candidates because of their religious affiliation are also deemed "perfect".

    Give me a break! This is exactly everything that is wrong with this campaign. It is pure emotion, not based on an real sense of Mitt being a real live person, but that he is now up for sainthood. It is this blind allegiance, unquestioning, just because he is a member, that is the most dangerous aspect of this campaign and following.

    Even the Prophet of the church does not claim infallibility... and yet Romney supports can't seem to undeify the "man", Every person running today has flaws. Even Mill... Get over it!

    If you want quotes of his "misrepresentations ? I hope not.

  • woolybruce Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    Like it or not Romney has fumbled and bumbled the campaign, much with the help of the Republican Party. Is his fumbling the reflection on Mormonism, I can't tie the two together. What is the reflection on Mormonism appears to be the blind loyalty to him and the likes of Glen Beck. When someone such as Romney fumbles, it is one thing. When the loyal fan base attempts to describe the fumble as a 75 yard run it become delusional. And of my friends that are active and participating in the LDS Church, that seems to be their stand, it wasn't a fumble it was a 75 yard run.

    That may work in Utah and Idaho, but in the key states such as Florida and Ohio, who will decide the election it is clearly a fumble on the opponents 5 yard line. And time is rapidly running out.

  • Jon W. Murray, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.

    We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.

    Are these two paragraphs familiar to you? Are they familiar to Harry Reid? Does he think government welfare strengthens the family?

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    banderson,

    "Harry Reid has combined his religion with Government. Does anyone even wonder what happens when someone does this?"

    ==========

    I've got news for you. It's been going on for years in the Mormon Church and it's invariably the hard right wing that does. Liberals have been a timid crowd at Church and Ward functions until now. The Romney candidacy has done a lot to inspire liberal Mormons to find their voice. Whether that's for the better is debatable. But at least Mormon neocons who have never been shy about voicing political views now know we're there.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    JAN TAYLOR RILEY
    SAN CLEMENTE, CA
    The face of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is Jesus Christ.

    10:55 a.m. Sept. 28, 2012

    ==============

    Agreed,

    And Jesus was a tolerant, inclusive, Progressive Liberal who wasn't rich, spent his ministry healing the sick and afflicted, feeding the hungry, the women and children, the widows, the homeless, the blind, the beggars, the harlots, the NON-Chosen, even raising the dead.
    He was friends and loved the most reviled and hated of Societiy. His was a message of Hope.

    He also reapeatedly chastened the rich, rebuked the ruling class, turned over the Money Changers tables, and when questined about taxes - told the people to stop rebelling and just pay them.

    That would be the Face of true Mormonism.

    I don't see that in Mitt Romney.

    BTW - Jesus was crucified by the ultra-Religious Conservatives back in his day.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    Isn't that discrimination what reid said?

    It sounds like when hitler and the ss claimed they can tell who a Jewish person was by the size of the nose, head etc. How do you tell what religion someone is by looking at them?

    If reid claims his religion, and barack claims Jesus and the bible direct them in their welfare, entitlement and steal from others policies. Then why didn't Jesus just come down and run for office and redistribute the wealth? Why did he take time to teach people how to think, act and be independent? Why didn't he spend more time with the "learned" "lawyers" "rulers" to bring about "change".

    Just saying, if they're going to make the claim. Then clarify or explain what they mean by it.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:17 a.m.

    Well if reid says it then it must be. After all reid was spot on with obamacare, spot on the war, spot on increasing our debt, spot on increasing the deficit, and he hasn't passed a budget in over 6 years.

    Mormons at least teach frugality and living on less than you make. I guess reid isn't the face of Mormonism either. He couldn't even get the name of his religion right. It's The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    Silly reid.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:13 a.m.

    Only a little over a month left and the Romney Reader will have to cover the loss of Willard. At the end of the day, Harry Reid will still hold the highest political office an LDS member has had--Senate Majority Leader.

    Sorry for all you sensitive righties who put Mitt on a pedestal that he shouldn't be on. I think Harry would be the first to say he isn't the face of the LDS Faith either. If it has to be put to one it would either be the Prophet Joseph Smith or the Savior, but I think the larger point Harry was making was don't associate the LDS religion with the insensitive 47% comment.

    In the scriptures, Jesus left the ninety-nine to go after the one. He didn't say, "he/she will never take responsibility, so that is not my concern."

    Keep telling truth to power Harry!

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:10 a.m.

    Harry Reid has combined his religion with Government. Does anyone even wonder what happens when someone does this? All are influenced by their values, but when someone begins to act as if they are one and the same, it is scarey. I am convinced that Harry feels stronger about government than his so called religious convictions. Sorry Harry, Jesus never appealed to Rome to solve poverty. Rome, nor socilaism (Harry's subsitute for religion), is a part of His kingdom. Harry, however, is not the problem. It is his followers who lack individual conviction.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    @atl134

    If you remember, what he said was "about 47%", if the 47% completely accurate or not, I knew what he was trying to say and it is truthful, and you know what he was trying to say as well. Let me address some of your other questions. He didn't say 47% didn't care about responsibility and neither did I. Those who took it as an insult are mostly those who do take advantage of the system and those who want to try and ride a true statement and twist it to make him look bad. Again, didn't say all those you mentioned who are working don't care, neither did he! It was a true tax statement, you admit this. And most low income earners are not receiving a mortgage tax deduction, stretching it to what yo want to believe. Nope, they all don't vote for Obama, some will vote for Romney. Don't twist this like the left is doing. You are a smart guy, I know this, I read your post, but your twisting it. You know darn well what he meant and what he was saying and who he was talking about.

  • JAN TAYLOR RILEY SAN CLEMENTE, CA
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    The face of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is Jesus Christ.

  • middle class Cedar City, 00
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    Harry Reid is from that 47% that Mitt referred to. Growing up, his family likely paid no income tax. They were "dirt poor". But hard working, honest and reponsibible, instead of irresponsible or dependent or victims. Harry's personality was forged from the heavy burdens he carried. He had a good mother, but not a good father.

    Harry is real, upfront, honest, thoughtful, responsible ...

    Mitt isn't.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    I really don't think either Reid or Romney is the face of Mormonism. Debating whether a person is a better member of the church is also pretty stupid ground to be standing on.

    It is better to be focused on the issues. On the national level, one such issue is obviously the election. However, one issue that should be getting more debate is whether state taxpayers should subsidize the athletic departments of BCS schools. Why should athletic teams that get money from billion dollar TV contracts need taxpayer subsidies? Locally, the UU gets ~$10 million per year according to USA today. Why aren't the local newspapers taking the legislature to task over this waste of educational resources?

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:40 a.m.

    I have no comment about this controversy, but Harry Reid is not progressive and he sullies progressivism speaking as if he is progressive.

  • middle class Cedar City, 00
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    Mitt referred to the "47%" and he was in great error about those folks when he labelled them "irresponsible", "victim" and "dependent".

    But what he didn't do was describe the other groups:
    1. A second 47% which includes most of us: middle class, working hard, but still only a major injury, disease or financial stumble from bankruptcy.

    2. 5% who are rich, pay few taxes and secure from disaster.

    3. The top 1%, which Mitt is in, who know little about the "lower" 94%. They are insulated from us. They live in a world without the many worries and difficulties we face.

    Mitt opened up a class battle with his comments. They indicate how he perceives the American society. And how separate he is from us.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    Harry Reid isn't making these comments because of religion. It's simply dirty filthy politics and he's using his and Mitt's religion as a pawn in his political game plan. I think it shows the lowest level of integrity and character. The only one who is making Mormons look bad is Harry Reid.

  • Tiger5 Cache county, USA
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    What does sullied mean?

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    To What Ever 9:39 a.m. Sept. 28, 2012

    I can imagine that Harry Reid was the bully on the playground when he was a school boy.

    -------------------

    Actually that was Willard Romney. Senator Reid never assaulted a boy and cut his hair like Willard did.

  • k7dsn Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    I feel sorry for Harry Reid. He has lost his compass and seems to be angry against the truth. Mitt Romney is the Face of Mitt Romney. Harry Reid is the Face of Harry Reid. However they as with all of us reflect what we truly believe. Our reflections also show our faults as well as our successes. When Harry Reid starts pointing fingers,calling names and telling distortions, his reflection/image also show what is really inside, as we all do. I suggest we all stick to truth and real facts and be just a bit kinder. None of us make ourselves look better when we try to make others look bad.

  • Wilf 55 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    If looked at without political emotion, Greg Prince and Harry Reid rendered a great service to Mormonism. As Michelle Cottle mentioned in the article:

    "For all its progress, Mormonism is still viewed with unease by many Americans who see it as secretive, hierarchical, and controlling. The squabbling between Reid and Romney could help promote the message (fervently stressed by church leaders) that Mormons do not march in cultlike political lockstep anymore than, say, Southern Baptists or Catholics."

    This is even more valid on a worldwide scale. In all countries Church PR loves to mention Harry Reid as an example of the church membership's diversity and plurality -- to counter the image of Mormons as all Republican or, worse, extreme right wing nuts.

  • Blue AZ Cougar ,
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:16 a.m.

    Harry Reid isn't the face of Mormonism either. Keep that in mind too.

  • SoCalUte Trabuco Canyon, CA
    Sept. 28, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    First of all. Reid Has exactly 0% of my respect. I therefore don't pay attention to what he says. But, since this is an attack on a fellow republican and church member, I just have to say how wrong Harry is on thus one..
    Doesn't the gospel (ie, the Mormon church) teach that each person needs to strive to be
    'self reliant'? The 47% comment is obviously an exaggeration, however it does focus on the need for US citizens to look for self reliance, rather than a government handout.
    What we have here is an "emperors new cloths" syndrome. Everybody knows that the message is true, but somebody might be offended by it, so we all have to pretend like Mitt said something wrong.
    Harry, Have a Clue on what is right, not politically correct!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    @UtahBruin
    "What he said was a truthful statement, then again, are you part of the 47%?"

    You think it's truthful that 47% of people don't care about personal responsibility? We're not complaining that he said 47% don't pay income taxes, that part is true. We're upset that he insulted the character of half the nation. Do you think seniors (a large chunk of the 47%), the working poor, the unemployed due to the recession, young people on their first job (a low paying low hour thing), and young families with kids who end up paying no income tax after the mortgage, child and earned income tax credits come into being... do you think all these people don't care about personal responsibility? Do you think they all vote for Obama? Romney is polling at around 40% among poor voters. Romney is leading by huge margins in the south, which is home to 9 of the 10 states (Idaho is the other) that have the highest percentages of people paying no income tax. So he's wrong about who the 47% are and where they live and their willingness to vote for him.

  • Common-Tator Saint Paul, MN
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    Truly a sad day indeed that one politician of the LDS faith would have continued to take such strides against another, much less invoking the religion to do so. Having been a Nevada resident for most of my adult life (and particularly so during my 30+ year military career), I can honestly say I checked the positions, character, and forward direction of Senator Reid on numerous occassions --- just couldn't bring myself to support his stances on most any issue.

    As for "most secretive", I'll still have to lay that mantle on the current office holder. Had his massive illegal drug use been vetted with the same diligence (much less the college transcripts which also contain a self-determined country of origin), we may have had a McCain presidency ... something I might not relish, either. And lest one think I am a "Birther", I do believe President Obama was born in Hawaii, but chose to list Kenya on college applications for personal benefit, a country distinction that carried over into the first book written about him - later apologies notwithstanding. Sadly, I believe it reflects a desire to claim what he wants, when it suits him.

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    If the shoe was turned and Harry was the Presidential candidate I would not vote for him period. He represents about 80% of the things I feel are not right. The Mormon thing has nothing to do with the election. If the candidate were another person that had the same or similar values and views that would be the one I vote for. Religion has nothing to do with it. Utah would vote Republican regardless. If Harry were in Utah he would have almost no chance of winning his seat in Washington. Even if it were in a Mormon community and he was against another religion. Values and views, not religion matter.

    I recently lost my job. I have not filed for unemployment as I have prepared just in case. I have not asked my Church for assistance either. But will if needed. I am not looking for a free lunch. I am looking for a job. With a large family it would be easy to mooch off the system. Taking care of the poor and needy is different than taking care of the lazy and “entitled”.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:53 a.m.

    @ Craig Clark - As you addressed The Hoyt, you reply to his comment with "Does he honestly think that casual ad libs that bend the truth for the audience of the moment is how the game is played? That truth is whatever you can get people to believe? If that's how the game is played, then our politics have been corroded and corrupted to an appalling level."

    This is comical, you could not have done a better job describing the last four years. So I guess you will be voting for Romney this election since the last four years have been "corroded and corrupted to an appalling level."

    So that last four years we have had exactly what you describe and yet you think that Obama is the answer. I am truly entertained with your post.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    I'm thinking this could cause issues for Reid in the church.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    "In my opinion, I believe Joseph Smith would be the face of Mormonism. No offense to any of the other guys."

    And there in lies the problem the church has. This is not Joseph Smith's church. Period. He had a critical role. But nor more is the Jewish faith "Moses-ism". Huge role... but not what the church is about.

    The face of Mormonism should be in faces of the millions who choose to follow Christ's teaching, and live the gospel to their best. The face of Mormonism there for is not hate, anger, lying, bigotry, and pride. It is not seeking the fame of office, nor the notoriety of celebrity. It isn't shown when success comes at the expense of others.

    To me, being the "Face of Mormonism" would be willing to loose because you are not willing to sacrifice your morals, nor tarnish your family nor church's name. It would be wining because of what you stand for, not what your opponent doesn't stand for. To me, it would be serving others, not aggrandizing one;s self,

    Idealistic, probably, even immature - perhaps. But it is what I believe.

  • What Ever Salt Lake City,, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    I can imagine that Harry Reid was the bully on the playground when he was a school boy. He is now a grown man and still can't focus on his work because Romney is such a distraction. Time to move his desk to the other side of the room and let him try to get back to work. He is an embarrassment to the job he was elected to do.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:34 a.m.

    JDS1 "Romney has not been dishonest in anything he has said and done." You may believe this, but he has earned a reputation as one of the most duplicitous politicians of the modern age. Telling the truth is not merely stating facts, but leaving a true impression. It is technically true that 100% percent of Americans are on the public dole by virtue of reciving more than we've paid for in national defense, education, cheap food (farm subsidies), cheap energy etc., etc. Hence, the national debt/deficit.

    Exageration is how elections are run. They are played by gaming ethics. Think of the mileage Mitt could have made for his church if he would have come out of the chutes promising to play politics by personal ethics. He may even have had a chance to win.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    I couldn't agree more Senator Reid on this one.
    In fact - Mitt Romney reminds me more of the Gadiaton Robbers of WallStreet we've been warned about.
    [the few, the rich, the powerful, who shun and dispise the poor, the sick the needy, the elderly -- and are proud and worshipped for their riches.]

    Besides, The "face" of Mormonism is a poor little Latino Woman, living in what most of us would consider a backyard shed.

    No - Mitt Romney most certainly does not best represent Mormons OR America.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    So glad Brother Reid supports a narcissistic Socialist for the White House.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    I wonder if Sen. Reid has ever heard the phrase "thou shalt not bear false witness...."?

    Produce the "proof" that Mitt Romney didn't pay taxes please, or be quiet!

  • OneAmerican Idaho Falls, ID
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    Whenever I call Harry Reid out for his inconsistencies in his politics versus his religion, my comments get rejected, in spite of the fact that they are far more dignified (just stating verifiable facts) than the horrible insult Harry threw at Romney. Harry Reid falsely accused Romney of not paying taxes for 10 years, which has now been shown not to be true. Harry Reid has been digging a pit for Romney for months now with statements that are certifiably untrue. Such is the world of politics. But, Harry Reid, by making this statement, would have us believe that he [Reid] is the face of Mormonism, and if he were, he would rise above his politics to love his political neighbor even as himself. If Harry wants to disagree with Romney politically, that's fine. But Reid accusing Romney of "sullying his religion" just because Romney happens to have a different political view than Reid, is sullying his religion simply by making the claim. If anyone has the moral authority to accuse Mitt Romney of "sullying his religion", that person is certainly not Harry Reid.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    TheHOYT,

    "..... It was clearly a hidden camera, Romney didn't know he was being filmed, and it just seems sleazy to me.

    ==========

    Romney didn't know he was on camera but the fact he said the things he said shows a carelessness with words that's becoming his signature. Does he honestly think that casual ad libs that bend the truth for the audience of the moment is how the game is played? That truth is whatever you can get people to believe? If that's how the game is played, then our politics have been corroded and corrupted to an appalling level.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    And Reid is a good example of Mormonism?

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:23 a.m.

    These bloggers always amaze me. We have a president you can equate with Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. All salesman no substance. Venezuela has continued to go downhill. That's because socialism doesn't work. Likewise here we have seen the results of socialistic solutions and they have not worked. The next four years under Obama will not see any improvement. Romney did pay high taxes when he was on salary and now is getting capital gains rates. Capital gains go to 20% next January so that will help the economy. As for the 47% there will be many who will vote for Romney because they know what he meant. He can get jobs, Obama can't.

  • the hawk Sandy, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    Snowman, so the mean people like the nice old ww2 vet I know that is now retired? I call him a patriot not a leach. Are you demanding that he work and pay taxes until the day he dies? You go ahead and slap him in the face by letting him know that he is aa drain on the country even though he fought and paid taxes for years. Im sure he will appreciate it.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:07 a.m.

    Ah, the infighting on who is or is not a "face of Mormonism"

    At least many of you can unite behind the misinformation that Obama is a Muslim or Obama is not a Christian.

    Oh, the Irony.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    I think this is exactly the message the Church would like to send, but not the way it would like to send it. The Church is becoming more diverse. However, I think both Senator Reid and Governor Romney might better represent the Church by showing more civility.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    @ Craig Clark "Senator Reid and the blogger are absolutely within their rights to take Romney to task for his comments about the 47%."

    So you want to take to task because of his comments. Why don't you and the left take it to task and own up to it. What he said was a truthful statement, then again, are you part of the 47%? Romney did not say in his statement about the 47% that he would not try to help them or take care of them or assist them. You and every other left winger has blown a true statement out of proportion. All the left can do is cast stones, why not take a look at what your fearless leader has accomplished. Absolutely Nothing! Quit blaming it on Congress also, I would say 100+ heads is brighter than the one that struggles to fit in the oval office and on talk shows. If Obama does get re-elected, God help us. When will he stop being a celebrity and start being a President?

  • JDS1 St George, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    Sorry Mike in Cedar City, Romney has not been dishonest in anything he has said and done. I'm proud to be LDS and have upstanding people like Romney be of the same faith. On the other hand, I'm completely embarrassed that Harry Reid has the nerve to call himself LDS.

  • TheHOYT Eagle Mountain, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    Time to vent - First off, the video referred to in this article really busts my chops. It was clearly a hidden camera, Romney didn't know he was being filmed, and it just seems sleazy to me. One could argue that, we're seeing the 'true' Romney. No, we're seeing a less careful Romney speaking to a specific audience, and who doesn't know he's being filmed. And, when he says that he 'doesn't worry about' the 47%, he wasn't saying he didn't care about them, or was going to, somehow, cast them off if he became president. No, in context, he was referring to a campaign strategy, and what votes he needs to go after to win the election. The nation isn't split 50-50, but it's pretty close, and he was simply saying that it's the moderate middle that swings elections, in most cases. So, no, Mitt Romney isn't some rich pig that is willing to trod on the faces of the poor, he's a presidential candidate with a strategy to win specific votes.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    Romney only spoke the truth. Those numbers he used are the people who think that this country owe them a living.

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    Harry Reid is not the face of Mormonism is absolutely correct. One problem I have with Harry Reid is that if Mitt Romney did something bad with his tax returns then don't just make the attack him but show us your evidence also to confirm your attack. I've not seen where Reid has done that. And the religion thing, good grief we could debate forever who is a good Mormon and who is bad. Let it go! I often find that I don't have time to go after others. There is enough wrong in my own life that I don't have time to get after others. Perhaps Reid should look at himself a little harder.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    The face of Mormonism - or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints - is Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Savior of all man kind.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    If Mitt is the face, what part is Harry?

  • PhoenixAZ phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    Harry Reid needs to look in the mirror. THAT's not the face of anything.

  • DR Hall Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    Romney is the face of self centered people thriving to get ahead profit wise as fast as possible and not caring about building up the companies or employees that are apart of that company. Many who are the face of Mormonism are common people who go out of their way to help others. Some have extra money and several times will share it with the less fortunate. A good face of Mormonism is the people who do their darndest to do their job well and are honest and full of integrity and teach their children the same. They build up others and encourage to do their best and are respectful.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    Reed has sold his morals for a bowl of porridge!!

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    colorado craig,
    why don't you look into your hero's contrived history and then tell us romney is sevretive. obama is the manchurian candidate. you might try reading and investigating him, but then that might take some effort.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:44 a.m.

    In my opinion, I believe Joseph Smith would be the face of Mormonism. No offense to any of the other guys.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    Doesn't Harry Reid have enough work to do in Washington, such as fixing the economy he and Pelosi damaged beyond belief or submitting a budget for the first time in years, to not get bogged down in name-calling, bearing false witness and stirring the political pot? It's pretty obvious that he has left undone the things that matter most while espousing the things that matter least. But then, that's what makes headlines I suppose.

    Harry should thank his lucky stars that the Republicans in Nevada didn't chose a half-decent alternative ti him this last election or we'd see him doing something different for a living.

    Does this statement by Reid really surprise anyone? Get to work on real stuff, Harry, and make yourself valuable to the republic, not just a drain on the treasury.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    Senator Reid and the blogger are absolutely within their rights to take Romney to task for his comments about the 47%. But they were dead wrong to bring Mormonism into the equation. But on Reid's comment calling Romney the most secretive Presidential candidate since Richard Nixon, Senator Reid hit the bull's eye with that shot.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    The funny thing is more people know Steve Young and the Osmonds are Mormon then they do know Romney is. It is a sad statement at several levels.

    But I do agree.... you don't need to support Romney.... but you don't need to use religion in thus way, ever.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    This sheer dishonesty of the Romney campaign has been a sad surprise to me. We could have expected a much more principled campaign from a man who has been a Bishop and a Stake President. The 47% statement tells us much about his economic philosophy, but multiple incidents of outright political lying reveals much about core morality of the man. Romney is not the face of Mormonism, but sadly too many will think he is.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    well the face of mormonism sure isn't Reid either! To define any group by its most public members will cause all kinds of misconceptions. Bill Gates is not the face of college drop-outs. Most people in a group fall somewhere in the middle living quiet lives.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:28 a.m.

    It fascinates me that Deseret News would pick up this story and run it.
    This political trash talk is an embarrassment to church members world-wide. Reid is being judgmental here for a few political points. Such talk has no place in the political process and adds smoke but no light to the issues of the day.

  • Are You for Real? Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    Shame on you Brother Reid. The Face of Mormonism is the face of the nearly 15 million members of the church. Each face looks different because each member's trials and circumstances are different. Mitt is certainly the face of Mormonism the same way every member is the face of Mormonism.

    The Left and the media are allowing Harry Reid to be the attack dog on Romney's church membership which no one else dares to touch for fear of being intolerant so let the Mormon bash the Mormon. It is in very VERY poor taste.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    No, Willard (luckily) is not the face of the LDS faith.

    An argument could be made the he and Glenn Beck are (sadly) the 2 most prominent memebers of the denomination. Sorry Donny & Marie?

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 28, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    I disagree with Senator Reid on this. Mitt Romney hasn't sullied Mormonism. Mitt Romney has only sullied himself.