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Published: Friday, Sept. 28 2012 4:29 p.m. MDT

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UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

JDSI claimed "Sorry Mike in Cedar City, Romney has not been dishonest in anything he has said and done"

really.... really? Do we really have to build a list of things he and his campaign have claimed that were not true?

I don't want to go into rolling these things out on a public forum, because simply that advances the cause not one bit.

Does this go along the line of America has never done anything it needs to apologize for. Now we have candidates because of their religious affiliation are also deemed "perfect".

Give me a break! This is exactly everything that is wrong with this campaign. It is pure emotion, not based on an real sense of Mitt being a real live person, but that he is now up for sainthood. It is this blind allegiance, unquestioning, just because he is a member, that is the most dangerous aspect of this campaign and following.

Even the Prophet of the church does not claim infallibility... and yet Romney supports can't seem to undeify the "man", Every person running today has flaws. Even Mill... Get over it!

If you want quotes of his "misrepresentations ? I hope not.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Harry Reid has combined his religion with Government. Does anyone even wonder what happens when someone does this? All are influenced by their values, but when someone begins to act as if they are one and the same, it is scarey."

Kind of like Brigham Young did? Really, you want to go there? How long was Utah, and the other early church settlements run by a theocracy? Let's really not go there, please.

Liberal Ted wrote...

"If reid claims his religion, and barack claims Jesus and the bible direct them in their welfare, entitlement and steal from others policies. Then why didn't Jesus just come down and run for office and redistribute the wealth? Why did he take time to teach people how to think, act and be independent? Why didn't he spend more time with the "learned" "lawyers" "rulers" to bring about "change"."

Ummm... because He told us to do that. To feed the poor, cloth the naked, take care of the widows, look out for the unfortunate. "We", as in "We the People" use government to do things we individually can't do or are of scale that we can't do it alone. Silly.

Ross
Madison, AL

Like Obama, we have heard enough from Mr. Reid to know that trusting his words to contain truth of any kind is a foolish and unproductive endeavor. No discernible credibility in the statement from Mr. Reid, wouldn't expect any in further statements either.

RH2011
Payson, UT

Who is Reid to say that Romney is the face of Mormonism? I don't think any of the 14+ million members of the Church is the face of Mormonism; except maybe the Prophet. We are all mere mortals, doing the best we can. I think in this case it is the pot calling the kettle black. The Savior said it best: "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone".

md
Cache, UT

Neither of these men is the "face of Mormonism". However, I believe that Mitt has been a better example of Mormonism than Harry.

Jefferson
Kalispell, MT

So Senator Reid "heard" from a "reliable source' that Romney hadn't paid taxes in ten years. Romney produces tax returns and certification from his accountant, but no apology from Senator Reid, whom I heard from a reliable source may have abused armadillos. Then Senator Reid claims that Romney is massaging his charitable contributions to make it look like he is in line with LDS policy when he really isn't. Not even Romney's bishop is in a position to do that, as that declaration is a matter between Romney and the Lord. Senator Reid has been the "face" of the Democratic Party fairly consistently over the past couple of years - the party that has a hard time with Deity in their platform, but no problem with abortion. The party that officially has a hard time with Israel but still struggles with definitions of words like "is" (see Bill Clinton) and "marriage." Thankfully, no individual is the "Face of Mormonism," and while individuals may "sully" themselves and be poor examples of Church teachings, they do not sully the Church or the gospel.

md
Cache, UT

@BlueDevil re:"It is this blind allegiance, unquestioning, just because he is a member, that is the most dangerous aspect of this campaign and following."

Any Democrat discussing blind allegiance who neglects to look in the mirror and see what his president's constituents are doing is a serious hypocrite.

A vote for B.O. to continue the status quo is only weakening our country more than ever. He is the worst president this country has ever seen. Bar none.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Two strikes for Brother Reid.
1) The tax return allegation.
2) Mitt's not a "good" Mormon.

At what point do we conclude that Harry is the problem?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@UtahBruin
"He didn't say 47% didn't care about responsibility "

You don't need something to be explicitly mentioned in the same sentence to establish a link between two things. If you're giving essentially a paragraph about the 47% and then say they don't care about personal responsibility... that's a trait that was being attributed to the 47%.

"Nope, they all don't vote for Obama, some will vote for Romney. "

Right, that's what I said. Romney was the one asserting they all vote for Obama and that he can't get their votes. He's the one that pegged the 47% that don't pay income taxes as the 47% that Obama has guaranteed support from.

@Liberal Ted
"I guess reid isn't the face of Mormonism either."

He never said he was. All he's saying is that people shouldn't consider Romney the face of it. Probably a good idea. That 43/50 approval rating split for Romney is probably worse than the approval rating split for the LDS church.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Thomas S. Monson is the current face of the Church. Gordon B. Hinckley was prior, and so forth.

MoJules
Florissant, MO

They are both the face of Mormonism, that is called agency. I have not agreed with either of them based on my values as a Mormon. I tend to marvel that Reid is a Mormon, he really seems to be looking the other way when it comes to what Obama does, especially the gay marriage and abortion issues. There are some wonderful Democrats that represent the values of their religions and there are some who seem to sell their soul. I think Harry Reid is just finally taking a chance to point the "Mormon finger", since I am sure that there are a lot that have been pointed at him. So Harry Reid, when you get a temple recommend, you are asked if you are honest in your dealings. Were you honest about Romney not paying taxes and are you being honest by not doing your paid job, which requires a budget?

Mad Hatter
Provo, UT

Mitt Romney has become the representative of the Mormon Church to many Americans. The question arises if the LDS Church wants to be seen as ideologically extremist as Romney has become in his quest for the presidency. Many consider the LDS Church to be conservative and it has its history of being associated with some of the most extreme Right-Wing organizations to be found. But this does not mean that it accepts these views at its core.

Many Mormons are politically progressive in their thinking. They may follow the socially conservative views of the LDS Church, but there are contradictions which do not fit well with the history of the LDS Church in its early days. Even some of the Church's current policies do not sit well with some of the more conservative members of the Right.

However, there are conservative members of the Mormon hierarchy who exert influence in such a way as if they are authorities on Church doctrine and practice. It is these people, like Mitt Romney, who help develop the stereotype of Mormon believers in all things social and political. It's complicated, but you have both apples and oranges in the religious mix.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

To Ross 11:58 a.m. Sept. 28, 2012

Like Obama, we have heard enough from Mr. Reid to know that trusting his words to contain truth of any kind is a foolish and unproductive endeavor. No discernible credibility in the statement from Mr. Reid, wouldn't expect any in further statements either.

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I have found Senator Reid to be a lot more truthful than Willard Mitt Romney could ever dream of being. Willard wouldn't recognize the truth if it reached up and bit him on the butt.

Built2Last
Provo, UT

TheHOYT,

Thank you for putting Romney's comments in context. I love how the liberal pundits take a comment and spin it to be a complete falsehood. And it exposes the intelligence level of Prince and Reid, or at least their reading comprehension level, to be very poor when they pile on.

What Romney said was very accurate and precise. The 47% want the government to provide for them. They have become slaves to the Democrats. He wasn't "writing them off" as inconsequential citizens. All he was saying is that he likely will not get their vote so he's not going to waste a bunch of time trying.

Every American should be disgusted that our country has devolved to the point that so many able-bodied people are too lazy or so lost that they choose not to provide for themselves. And they should be disgusted by those who foster this servitude through their brand of "charity." You think Obama is so compassionate. But all he is doing is making the inevitable gravy train crash so much worse for so many people.

pragmatictperson
York, ME

This is not a race for who is the most popular in one's religious persuasion or the face of, this is a Presidential race to the White House. In our constitution there is the No Test Religious Clause. Anyone of any religion can become president if they meet certain criteria. They are not judged on their freedom of religious choice and how they worship. The people of the United States are not so concerned about Mitt Romney's religious persuasion as they are about how he can restore America, get people back to work and hopefully allow people to have a little spare change in their pockets. Mitt Romney does not represent Mormonism, yes he is a Mormon and people will notice that for sure however this is not a race about Mormons, this is a race about the next President of the United States. I am surprised and disgusted about Mr. Reid bringing religion on the political front for his personal agenda. That is sure how it looks to me!

ProudUtahn
St. George, Utah

Craig Clark Boulder, CO
"But on Reid's comment calling Romney the most secretive Presidential candidate since Richard Nixon, Senator Reid hit the bull's eye with that shot."
What about the current President? His birth certificate lists as the country his father was born in as one that did not exist for over another 10 years or the hospital listed as place of birth did not have the name change to that for another 2 or 3 years after his birth (something fishy with that one) or President Oboma's school and college transcripts being closed and he spending thousands of dollars to keep them closed. Yet they go after Mitt Romney's tax returns for the last 5 years. Where is President Oboma's tax returns? Lets hold them to the same standard!!! Mitt Romney's comment on the 47% look at the real statement he made and in context then see if it was correct or not. Don't go by the media or regurgitaion of non facts.

CypressSteve
Cypress, CA

Perhaps the thing that sullies Mormonism more than anything else is the members' tendency to judge one another, even though specifically commanded by God not to do so. (Do I really need to provide a Biblical reference here?) But to add even more irony: One politician calling another "dishonest."

Another useless distraction while "Rome" burns.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

MoJules
Florissant, MO
So Harry Reid, when you get a temple recommend, you are asked if you are honest in your dealings. Were you honest about Romney not paying taxes and are you being honest by not doing your paid job, which requires a budget?

12:37 p.m. Sept. 28, 2012

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MoJules,

Mitt Romney just realeased his tax returns for 2011

He paid $1.1 million to the LDS Church (I assume most went towards Tithing)
on his $13.7 in earnings.

I suggest before you start casting stones about someone Temple Worthiness,
You shoudld consider looking seriously at both of them.

And FYI -- Flip-Flopping is also not being honest with your fellow man.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" actually, Jesus would be considered a modern day conservative.

He advocated personally helping others, not depending on somebody else to do it for you. He also wanted people to choose whether they would follow him or not. The liberals and their ilk want to force us to help others and want to remove as many of our choices as possible.

Also, the Pharasees in the time of Jesus were equal to todays modern liberals. They believed in the power of government, and were seeking to make their will and desires the law. The pharasees claimed the support of the poor and lower class, while using this as justification to stay in power.

Jesus never rebuked the rich, he rebuked the hypocrites and those that were engaged in lifestyles contrary to the Gospel. (I know you want to bring in the story of the rich young man, but he wasn't rebuked for his wealth, but for loving money more than Jesus).

Stephen Kent Ehat
Lindon, UT

I thought it was kind of cute that the very first sentence of this article begins thus: "U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the highest ranking member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the United States government, . . ."

Oops.

Harry Reid is the highest ranking member of the United States Senate who is also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Nothing in the article deals with his "rank" in the Church.

I know. It's just a "misplaced modifier" type of error, but nonetheless kind of fun.

Oh, and as for Mr. Reid's comments about Mitt Romney, are the relevant to voters? I can't recall whether people cared that George Washington was the face of Episcopalianism. He sure was a good general, commander-in-chief, president, and patriot.

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