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Published: Thursday, Sept. 27 2012 6:32 p.m. MDT

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

That's because those that are still left in the Middle-class are doing just fine.

It's the millions of Americans that USED to be in the Middle-class that I worry about.

Also makes me wonder if they are using the $50K+ Middle-Income to define Middle-class,
or Mitt Romney's $250K+ as Middle-Class.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

The headline doesn't seem to reflect the actual article. How is a 14 point lead "edging out" Obama?

FT
salt lake city, UT

This should create quite a buzz and provide needed momentum to Mitt's campaign. At the very least, Romney can raise another million in Utah off this news.

David
Centerville, UT

Every economic indicator reveals a bad economy which has gotten worse sine '08. Those who were critical of Bush for presiding over a down economy should now step up, be consistent, & vote again for change. Only this time the change will mean voting Obama OUT. Obama was an unknown with very little record in the last election. But now we know. He has a record & it is abysmal...oh yeah, he ordered bin Laden killed.

Vote Romney. He understands economics, he understands what it takes to make small & large businesses successful. He knows how to grow an economy. He is charitable. He will be a tremendous president who can return America to greatness where it can lead the world in freedom. A rising tide lifts all ships.

I Bleed Blue
Las Vegas, NV

After his 'rant' in the kitchen where he essentially sold out on 47% of the population, he gave the election away. The chance of Mitt overcoming this latest blunder is slim and none. I think deep down he never really wanted to win. He just wanted to get to this point so he could say he did something his father wasn't able to do. The tea party and all the donations from the super rich also contributed to this disaster. It's the same group that gave use Palin.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ I bleed blue. I am just curious as to why Romney’s 47% comment was a blunder? Is it true or not that 47% of Americans pays no federal income taxes? If not, what is the percentage and if it is true why is telling the truth a blunder? Have we sunk so low in this country that we can’t be honest? Please help me understand this “issue”.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

This campaign add brought to you by the Deseret News, and Mitt Romney approved it.

David, you claim every economic indicator is worse now when compared to 2008. Please do me a favor, provide one.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Montanaman-
Why was Romney's video a blunder? While 47% don't pay federal income taxes they are not all "victims" as he called them. The majority of them are veterans, active military and retired. Also, many of them are "working" poor. This certainly does not make them "victims" or Obama supporters.
That tape reinforced the image many have of Romney, be it true or not. Also, remember he only served in public office once and left after one term with a 35% approval rating. The only high mark he got was for Romney Care and he washed his hands of that to appease the Tea Party.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ FT. I listened to the tape several times and Romney said the 47% see themselves as victims. Honestly, that’s all I ever hear from the Democrats is how many victims there are in America. No victims; no need for Obamacare, no need for income redistribution, no need for food stamps, no need for welfare! Of course these people see themselves as victims! They believe they are victims of the “rich”, victims of Walls Street, victims of racism and on and on it goes! I get tired of listening to people whine about their victimhood and demand other people to take care of them! Its sickening to see what so many Americans have become! Any honest person can see that we are becoming a nation of volunteer victims! And when anyone (Romney) has the courage to point it out, he is blasted by these self imposed “victims”.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Since I don't see the usual crowd criticizing this poll, I guess they sampled the right people this time, and this is an accurate poll.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

As a middle class American myself, I could never, ever bring myself to vote for Romney. You couldn't pay me enough (seriously).

He supports bigotry.
He supports downsizing the middle class and offshoring American jobs.
He supports wealth redistribution - upwards!
He supports the religious take-over of the US Government (just look at his pandering to the faaaaaar right religious nuts).

Romney is a disaster and would work to end Democracy in the US and turn our government over to the Corporations.

VST
Bountiful, UT

Since the subject of economic indicators has surfaced on this thread, I will re-ask a simple question. As a nation, are we better off today than we were four years ago when Obama became President?

Well let's take a look:

Unemployment: 7.8% then; 8.1% now

Median Income: $54,983 then; $50,964 now

Gasoline per Gallon: $1.85 then; $3.78 now

National Debt: $10.6 trillion then; $16 plus trillion now.

Now here is the big one: In spite of the Democrats claim that five plus million jobs have been added to the private sector since Obama became President, there are now 200,000 fewer jobs than in February 2009.

How about a couple of new economic indicators from yesterday?

- Purchase of durable goods: down 13.2% for the month of August (biggest drop since 2009).

- GDP rate of growth (April-June Quarter 2012): 1.3%. This is much lower than its previous estimate of 1.7 percent and is too weak to lower the unemployment rate.

No matter how you spin it, as a nation, we are not better off today than on 20 Jan 2009.

Sources: Bureau of Labor Statistics; Department of Energy; Department of Treasury; Department of Commerce

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

VST do you really think the President, any President is solely responsible for all those numbers you just rattled off during his time in office? Congress has no role in what happened? Ya I know congress was controlled by the democrats the first two years but the house has been controlled by the obstructionists the last two years. Do you really think that the policies of the previous 8 years including two unfunded wars, and a gigantic unfunded medicare prescription drug plan and the first round of bailouts has nothing to do with the current state of the economy and the numbers you quoted.

This is why the republicans keep losing elections, they only take credit for the good things that happen and they don't share in the responsibility for the bad. I heard Newt Gingrich all through the primaries take credit for the economy during the Clinton years. Well if the House majority leader deserves credit for a good economy in the 90's shouldn't the House majority leader share in the blame in 2012?

If the republicans had a message that America (which is center right) believed they wouldn't be losing this election.

VST
Bountiful, UT

@Fred44 asks, "VST do you really think the President, any President is solely responsible for all those numbers you just rattled off during his time in office?"

The answer is yes. He is the one that is supposed to lead and not make excuses (like the ones you just parroted). He is the one who said he could turn this economy around in his first term. He is not a forward-looking and thinking leader. If you continue to look at the past (for excuses and blame others) you will be doomed to live and die in the past.

I had a boss who always (and correctly) said, "Don't bring me excuses – bring me solutions."

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

VST,

I am sure when your boss told you to bring him solutions not excuses he empowered you to solve the problem. Maybe its time for a quick 5th grade lesson in the constitution. The President has no power to spend one dime of tax payer money or create laws that power rests with the congress. The republicans starting right after the election have made it there soul goal and purpose to "Make Barack Obama a one term President". They did not care how far they drove the country into the ditch doing it. The democratic senate certainly hasn't helped. I don't believe that the President has done a great job but to blame him for every problem we have in the country is rather ridiculous.

Intelligent people look at the past and learn from it, and they also look at the past to measure progress. Only fools measure the world by today without looking at yesterday or considering tomorrow. The republican blame game does nothing to move us forward, and quite honestly does nothing to move their cause forward. Most reasonable Americans are tired of the blame game the republicans can't give up.

Mad Hatter
Provo, UT

Well, it's a large demographic. One wonders which slice of the statistical population was cited in the story. White, upper middle-class, Mormon voters in Utah?

Ying Fah
Provo, UT

Mountanman Hayden, ID

It's not the simple statement that 47% of Americans don't pay federal tax. It's the statement that they are "victims", live off government handouts, and will vote for Obama because they "refuse to take personal responsibility" for their lives. The 47% includes Democrats, Republicans, Independents, rich (corporations and wealthy people with smart tax accountants) and poor (who earn very little), and any number of others who, for one reason or another, do not pay federal income tax.

How many times must you be reminded of the context of the comment. As for taxes, a great majority continue to pay payroll taxes. And everyone, EVERYONE, pays sales taxes. Next time you'll be complaining about those people who don't pay property taxes because they don't own property.

It also says that 43% of Americans will vote for Romney regardless of how much they don't like him, they just like Obama even less. Like yourself, they have their various reasons not to want Obama in the White House, but they should come up with better reasons than the reasons you give. Politics is self-interest even without the nonsense.

Ali'ikai 'A'amakualenalena
Provo, UT

VST Bountiful, UT

You need to keep things in perspective. January 20, 2009, was the day Obama was sworn into office. While Republicans don't like to hold Bush responsible for 9/11 which occurred 8 months into his administration, they pounce on Obama for conditions that existed the day he came into office.

There is a definite lag between when a president takes office and his begin to have an affect. If a million jobs were lost in January, 2009, one doesn't say it was the policies enacted under the Obama presidency that failed. The whole thesis in your statement makes this fatal error of timeliness. And then there is the tactics of the opposition Party to make Obama a failure as president and utilize the filibuster in the Senate up until they took over the House.

It will take presidential historians to cut through the chaff and understand this president's legacy. Did he make mistakes? Yes. Will Romney be better with the same situation? Not if he is a retred of Bush II with the same old ideas. We've had almost 20 years of Republican policy since 1980 making America what it is today.

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