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Published: Thursday, Sept. 27 2012 4:00 p.m. MDT

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Far East USA, SC

"Catholics only casually follow their beliefs anyway and most only attend church at Christmas and Easter"

Nice line Patriot. Paint with a broad brush much?

Stephen Kent Ehat
Lindon, UT

Given the fact that a President is elected on a state-by-state basis (remember the electoral college and electoral votes?), the only truly relevant issue to be writing about under the general topic of "support among Catholic voters" is "what is the level of support among likely voters who are residents of a swing state (such as, for example, Ohio or Florida) and who are Catholics and whose Catholic faith will play a role in their activity inside of the polling booth."

Polling that measures the degree of support that Catholics demonstrate in a poll is of little or no relevance if the Catholic is, say, not registered to vote, not likely to vote, not influenced in the voting act by his or her Catholic faith, or say a resident of a state (such as, perhaps, Utah) where his or her vote as a Catholic may not join with enough other Utah voters to have an impact in Utah's result (not to mention zero impact on Ohio's result).

Polls at this stage are often conducted for purposes of forming public opinion and influencing elections as much as measuring opinion and predicting elections.

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

Romney could lie all he wanted at the GOP convention, with all his dopey toadies bobbing their empty heads up and down and drooling. But he will get KILLED in the debate.

At least Bush had his searing ignorance, childish notions of God, moronic cowboy worldview to rally around. Mitt Romney promises little, delivers less, stands for nothing you can really name save for what his handlers feed him: Poor people are losers, abortion is wrong, wealthy white folk are wonderful and benevolent and should never really pay taxes, Mexicans are fine in small doses when they’re mowing the lawns of one of my five estates or cleaning the stalls of my show horses.

Here&s the fantastic thing: not many on the Right care much for Mitt, either.
There is no passion to be found anywhere (save for the extremists and Tea Party
simpletons who adore Ryan).

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

Even House Republicans are bored to death by him.
Heartland Christians really want to care, but Mitts Mormonism means
they dont know which way is heaven anymore. Only rich Wall Street barons are
happy with Mitt. This is because they built him.

It all bodes very well indeed. When a nation is this apathetic and numb to a
particular candidate, when they cant get away from him fast enough, good
things happen for the other side. Even Bush was able to galvanize the
uneducated, fundamentalist right. Even McCain could leverage his bogus
patriotism and Sarah Palins ditzy winking. Romney cant even galvanize your
grandmother in Florida. If anything, shes furious that Paul Ryan wants to kill
Medicare. Or rather, she soon will be, once Obama reminds her, fifty times a
day, for the next month.

So be heartened, liberal America. Milquetoast mannequins who inspire no one,
not even their own supporters, not even the Christian right, not even House
Republicans never win major elections. They do make amusing footnotes,

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

Caprice...BET ON!!!!

Landslide? HAHAHAHA!!! Maybe in Utah, but nowhere else.
Doesn't news of the REAL world make it to Providence?

Durham, NC

Stephen.... You say "Polls at this stage are often conducted for purposes of forming public opinion and influencing elections as much as measuring opinion and predicting elections."

If that were the case, why would FoxNews report from their own poll

"The vote preference among independents is also unchanged from two weeks ago: 43 percent back Obama and 39 percent Romney. Nearly one in five is undecided."

"The latest Fox News poll finds the race for the White House holds steady, with 48 percent of likely voters backing the Obama-Biden ticket and 43 percent backing the Romney-Ryan ticket, if the election were held today. "

So if FoxNews polls are to influence voters, what influence are they trying to do here? Now I am not saying this directly about you, but the constant attacking the messenger to discredit them if you don't like the news is getting old. Blaming things like the "LIberal Media" or as Rove rants about bad sampling if it doesn't say what he want them to say is getting old. I don't think Fox is in Obama's corner on this one.

BTW - these quotes are from today on FoxNews

Clearfield, UT

Patriot You don't win elections by insulting voters. I find you are just like Romney, like to make insulting comments. As a long time Romney supporter I am profoundly dissapointed in the campaign he has run. He is trying to define himself as a tea party conservative which he is not. There is no doubt the republican party has taken extreme positions on many social issues such as immigration, abortion, and healthcare. The never ending criticism and sniping at Obama on fox news is perceived by many african Americans as racially motivated. Romney is loosing support among minorities, women, the poor. I still plan on voting Romney, would never vote for Obama.

Orem, UT

I seriously doubt the integrity of the polls anymore, with the exception of Rasmussen. Romney will win this election. Likely, the numbers reflected in these polls are among those who won't vote this November.

Glen in the Bronx
Bronx, NY

I am surrounded by Catholics here in the northeast, there is very much a division between the male clerics and the nuns and average Catholic. The clerics see exactly two issues in this campaign, abortion and gay marriage, in that order; these two issues are opposed by the head office in Rome, and any cleric who wants to climb the rungs of power has to tow the line. The nuns and the lay Catholics, are far more likely to still follow the Catholic Social Justice doctrine of Dorothy Day and the 1960s which is a "big picture" view of life, which includes health care, and respect for the dignity and privacy of others. In short, Obama's positions over Romney's)

FYI, Joe Biden is far more representative of the Catholics I have come across than Paul Ryan.

Draper, UT

@Well Read: You're post is nothing more than conjecture. Just because somebody is successful doesn't mean they are devoid of wisdom and understanding, and just because somebody is dirt poor and unsuccessful doesn't mean they are enlightened.

Draper, UT

@UtahBlueDevil Just curious... In your estimation, what about Romney's 47% comment wasn't absolutely true?

Far East USA, SC

NeilT - "He is trying to define himself as a tea party conservative which he is not. "

You are exactly right. Romney is trying to be the person that the far right wants him to be. He is being dishonest with himself and them.

I think that Romney could be a very good leader if his hands were not tied by the GOP.

Bountiful, utah

I doubt religion has much to do with the poll numbers. Most latino minorities (many illegal) side with their democratic providers, and they happen to be mostly Catholic. Romney/Ryan take a hard stance against illegal immigration, as they should; Obama does not.

Salt Lake City, Utah

If Mr. Romney doesn't hit a home run in the debates, this thing is over and since republicans like to blame somebody it won't be the liberal media it will be the tea party and the Grover Nordquist Koch Brothers crowd. Republicans haven't figured out that playing to the tea party may work well in some states or even local congressional districts, but most of America has not embraced the tea party movement the way the guys on talk radio and fox news would have you believe. Mr. Romney has not been able to appeal in a large scale way to moderates of either party. Do we remember the so called Reagan Democrats? Mr. Romney could have appealed to them if he wasn't so busy trying to appease the tea party. President Reagan would not have won had he had the tea party to deal with. Until the republicans figure out that there is a middle in America, whether that middle be middle class, or middle of the spectrum, they will not win a presidential election. The republicans must look within, and quit catering to extremists. The country is center right and the republicans lose?

Salt Lake City, UT

"Only one of these Catholics — Biden — has been criticized, reprimanded, and sanctioned by the bishops. Make that 17 bishops."

Only one of them - Ryan - has had a bus full of nuns going around his home state condemning his budget.

Salt Lake City, UT

"I seriously doubt the integrity of the polls anymore, with the exception of Rasmussen. "

That's because you refuse to believe the reality of the situation which is that Romney is fiercely unpopular. Yeah, a Republican SHOULD be able to beat Obama in this sort of electoral climate, but a republican whose approval rating split is something like 45-50 who just denigrated half the nation, played politics during a tragedy, and has base appeal similar to a root canal... it's just not going to work.

Sandy, UT

@Clinton "Just curious... In your estimation, what about Romney's 47% comment wasn't absolutely true?"

I'm not UtahBlueDevil, but here's the short answer. Most of Romney's 47% comment was an abject lie.

In his comments, he stated that 47% of the country would vote for Obama no matter what, AND that the same group paid no income taxes, AND that they were dependent on government, AND that he wasn't worried about that group.

In that statement, only the first condition was true...that 47% would vote for Obama no matter what. The second and third condition are outright lies and easily disproven. Obama's voters represent a similar cross-section to Romneys regarding taxes paid and government dependence. The final condition, that he's not worried about that 47%, may have been true to him when speaking to his wealthy donors, but has certainly proven to be false now that he's seen the impact of his thoughtless statement in the polls.

Draper, UT

@Silo: According to IRS data from 2009, 8% of the population didn't file a tax return. Maybe they paid taxes maybe they didn't. Since they didn't file, we don't know. On top of that 8%, 42% of the people who did file a tax return had no tax liability, meaning they didn't pay any taxes. So the estimation that 47% of the population doesn't pay taxes seems fairly accurate to me, or at least close enough that you really have a hard time calling it an "outright lie."

Also, you're leaving out an important part of what he said. He said that he's not going to reach those who will vote for Obama no matter what, and he's not going to reach people who don't pay taxes with a tax plan. Why? Because it is irrelevant to them. Democrats are making far more out of what Romney said than is actually there, and unfortunately, the population is to lazy to look into the matter any further than what they are spoon-fed by the media.

Draper, UT

@Silo: Romney said, "So my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is to convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents..."

How, when his point is obviously regarding which political group he has to focus on in his campaign, can so many people misunderstand his commentary to mean he doesn't care about those people? That, in and of itself, seems pretty intellectually dishonest to me.

Sandy, UT


Saying that 47% of the population pays no income taxes may be true. But that's not what Romney said. He clearly said that the 47% that don't pay taxes are Obama voters...an abject lie that is easily refuted.

Saying that 47% of the population is dependent on the government is a lie, no matter how you spin it. Still, Romney added to that lie by claiming all 47% of Obama supporters were dependent on government. Lying about a lie does not make it more true.

Saying that it's not his job to worry about those 47% may be true to him as a person, but absolutely can't be true to him as a presidential candidate. As president, he represents all Americans. He stated in no uncertain terms that he's not interested in representing all Americans. His poll numbers reflect that.

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