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Published: Tuesday, Sept. 25 2012 7:46 p.m. MDT

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Well Read
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

It's a no brainer! Gov. Herbert do what is best for the citizens of the state of Utah. Do not opt out just because the program is a democrat backed program. The federal government is kicking in the funds to help Utah afford the medicare add on. Why should health insurance companies be allowed to opt out of carrying someone who has a pre-existing condition. That is criminal! They only want to carry the healthy individual. If one gets sick or has a pre-existing condition the want to kick them out! That is not the Urtah way. we are a caring state. We are better than that!!

The program enacted by President Obama is not perfect, but could have been much better IF the republicans had not been so intent on making sure that Obama was one term president. They did not even try to negotiate in good faith! Do not go along with the DO NOTHING republican congress and keep Utah citizens who need health care out of the system just to spite the president!!!

Blue Bolshevik
Salt Lake City, UT

Tell the moochers to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and get a job. Why should my taxes go to pay for freeloaders. The health insurance industry is entitled to their profits and bonuses!

WHAT NOW?
Saint George, UT

Herbie,
Hold off on doing what's right until after the election.
It's the repub thing to do.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Amazing, is it not, that most of the bloggers here in this paper don't care that lives are at stake? Most are not worth exchanging views with.

Sego Lilly
Salt Lake City, UT

Two comments - there is a medicaid program for women with breast cancer that covers the treatment. She may have to pay a spend down each month while on it but at least it will get her the treatment that she needs.

Second comment: How many of you are LDS? Can you honestly say that you are willing to live the law of consecration should it become necessary in your lifetime? From the yelling at people to people to pull up their bootstraps and get a job - I think not. If President Monson holds a conference and says that it is time to give up all that you have which some you will end up getting back are you going to turn your back on the prophet and say sorry but it's the fault of the poor that they are that way - what's mine is mine and I'm not going to share.

I walk along a street in SLC where there are several homeless people sleeping under trees. I walked by a couple on Friday and cried because I didn't know what I could do to help them. This shouldn't be happening in our neighborhoods.

SME
Bountiful, UT

I'm sure there are many stories like those of Ms. Young, they are truely tragic. But going down a path that we simply cannot afford will hurt far more people in the long run.

Re: Well Read, yes "The federal government is kicking in the funds to help Utah afford the medicare add on." briefly. Then we will have a large commitment that we will be stuck with.

The screams about we must do something, now!, are a smokescreen to keep from having a thorough discussion about what needs to be done and how to best do it. Many of the provisions of the "Affordable Care Act" (a misnomer) still haven't been written yet. We will be better off starting over with law that has been thoroughly discussed and has wide spread support.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

"We still don't know what's in those 2,700 pages of federal legislation," Herbert said. "And those 2,700 pages are spawning and will spawn thousands of pages of additional regulations."

It's been law for two and a half years, and you are still pulling that?!? And this is the one that is deciding on whether or not it will expand the State's coverage?!? Honestly, if after two and a half years you haven't read it, or assigned someone on your staff to do so, it's on you. The thing has been online in it's entirety for two and a half years.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

Just go to the Emergency Room.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

I wonder how SME and CHS 85 would feel if they or a close family member were one of those "tragic" cases. There no real reason to wait. If Romney is elected and the Republicans get the Senate the law will be repealed to the detriment of all but the insurance industry. But repeal is not likely, and there is no reason for the state to hide behind an election before it decides whether or not it will elect to kill people.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

ACA was witten over the course of several months. Republicans and Democrats in Congress worked on the plan in committees. Republicans have not crafted an alternative plan.

There was a very interesting and worthwhile discussion on The Diane Rehm show Sept 19th with Dr. Marty Makary about healthcare. Dr. Makary talked about the need for transparency in healthcare--such as hospitals publishing accident/mortality rates. He talked about the "corporatization" of hospitals leading to unnecessary surgeries and procedures. He talked about physician "burnout" under the system where Drs. are pressured by the corporations to perform unecessary, but lucrative surgeries and treatments.

I had a discussion with a Dr. recently who told me he thinks Obamacare/ACA is the best we can hope for at this point in time. He preferred single-payer. He stated although healthcare reform might lower his compensation some, it is important that we have a system to provide healthcare for all.

Finally, recently astounded by the cost of surgery for a family member. He was in the hospital for about 4 hrs. The hospital billed our insurance $40,000. The insurance paid $5200 and our portion was $625. What would the uninsured be expected to pay?

DVD
Taylorsville, 00

We are talking about some of our most vulnerable. How our nation of people treats them reflects upon our nation as a whole.

chaliceman
Salt Lake City, UT

The only way that health insurance companies can cover everyone is if everyone participates. This is the whole point of the National Health Care Act. This is not a socialistic system. Insurance companies and doctors will still have the right to set their prices and chose how to best serve their patients. Citizens who cannot afford premiums will have options, some of them subsidized by tax payers, to make sure that everyone has coverage. Whether we realize it or not, we are paying for the health care of the uninsured now through increased hospital, doctor and health care costs which could be viewed as a form of hidden tax. The reason for making the change is that if everyone has access to health care through out their life, they will be more productive, avoid expensive (at your and my expense) emergency care expenses, and the overall outcome will be a healthier, happier and more productive society. Let's do this.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@Mike in Cedar City

I was being sarcastic based on a comment made the by the Republican Presidential candidate.

I am a HUGE supporter of the ACA, although I don't think it went far enough. How we treat the most vulnerable among us reflects on our society as a whole. As Americans and Utahns, we should be ashamed of the situation these folks find themselves in.

Until an individual can get past the lower rungs of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, they will never be able to reach their potential and as a society, we will be lesser for it. There are those of us who truly need help and to shun them because of their disabilities is horrible.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

We need to repeal Romney, I mean Obamacare and make it much more difficult and more expensive for people to get treatment. That way for-profit health insurers can keep making huge profits on death and dying. Same for for-profit hospitals. Profits trump life.

andyjaggy
American Fork, UT

It's her own fault for getting cancer, tell her to take some personal responsibility for her life. Sarcasm implied.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

The great thing about this country is that we can build stealth destroyers for the Navy at the cost of several hundred billion dollars, to stay ahead of the rest of the world, but when we want to catch up to the rest of the civilized world and provide healthcare for US citizens, half of the population and politicians are opposed to it. Never mind that fact that there hasn't been a pivotal naval battle for 60+ years.
Head scratcher.

Dancing Queen
West Haven, UT

If Obamacare gets set in stone, the Federal Government will eventually become the only Insurance payer. That will be disastrous! Forget that we won't be able to afford it; it will destroy our economy. Socialized medicine is NOT the answer. I know a Canadian citizen who almost died, waiting to get into the Doctor!! I had Uterine Cancer in 2008--what scares me is the Death Panels. If they think you are too old or you won't survive your condition, you WON'T get treatment!! This is already happening in other countries with Socialized medicine!! We can improve things without Socialized medicine! In response to Sego Lily - the Law of Consecration is NOT Socialism!! In the last few General Conferences, many speakers have spoke out against Entitlements (that is Socialism)!! The Law of Consecration will be a small group with one heart and one mind centered on Jesus! Socialism is evil because it takes our agency away! That was the most important difference between Satan's plan and the plan of Jesus Christ!! The White House and Congress will NOT be under Obamacare! That is telling right there! Our Republic and Constitution was God inspired! It is not SOCIALISM!!

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Another interesting item mentioned by Dr. Marty Makary was that corruption in Greece's healthcare system has been a significant factor in their economic decline. Actually, corruption in general has been a big part of Greece's economic woes.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
Genesis 4:9

Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. (Acts 4:32-37 ESV)

Yes, Cain you are your brother's keeper.

Millsap fan
Taylorsville, UT

The sad truth is that although this law has many great benefits, like helping this woman and others, there are some scary pieces in this law that will inevitably hurt the economy.

For example, the requirement for all businesses to purchase health care for full time employees will leave many companies losing nearly all profit. Also many companies will be forced to downsize, or cut employee hours. This will kill the jobs that businesses have created.

My hope is that the Healthcare law is reformed (where needs be) not simply repealed. But as it stands now, it's going to hurt the economy.

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