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Published: Friday, Sept. 21 2012 8:29 p.m. MDT

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The Watcher
BATTLE MOUNTAIN, NV

This is just a test to see if I could again post a comment on your site. Yesterday I tried to comment on this article three times and couldn't submit it.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: A Scientist Provo, UT
" "We are guaranteed that our prophet will not lead us astray" By whom?"

His sheep know the Good Shepherd and recognize His voice. For those who are deaf and don't believe why waste the time arguing with them?

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

@A Scientist:

"First of all, the people being baptized into the LDS Church do not make any covenants at baptism."

Read Mosiah 18:8 - 10 & 13. Sure sounds like a covenant to me. I certainly believe that I am under a covenant with the Lord because of my decision to be baptised. I even renew this every week when I take the sacrament.

Not sure where you got the idea that baptism is not a covenant....

non believer
PARK CITY, UT

reported to have been in apostasy, which the Sentinel describes as an offense in which a member attempts to lead people away from church teachings.

Could pointing out facts be considered an attempt to lead people away?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@A Scientist:
"First of all, the people being baptized into the LDS Church do not make any covenants at baptism."

Absolutely they do, that's why I had my name removed from the LDS church lists rather than just staying inactive, because I didn't feel like it was proper to stay a member when I didn't believe in many of the main ideas that make up said baptismal covenant.

county mom
Monroe, UT

Those who have a tesimony of their faith, have a deep conviction in their beliefs, and will not be swayed.

BobF2012
kitchener, 00

As an active member who has written many articles critical of Mitt Romney, and who very publicly supports the re-election of President Obama, I can say without reservation that the Church has no interest in how I vote. I write nothing critical of the Church; just of Mr. Romney.

Ilovethejjs
medford, MA

David Twede wrote in detail about the temple ordinances in his article. That is why he's being disciplined. He omitted those from his blog after he found out he was to go before the disciplinary counsel.
We are all in this together as members of the church.
It's one thing to criticize Mitt Romney's positions on policy, but another to criticize him personally.
My mother told me , "If you don't have anything nice to say about someone, then don't say anything at all."
I grieves me that so many members are leaving the church because a Mormon is running for president.
When articles like this come up, I remember the Saviors words in 3rd Nephi, "Let there be no disputations among you."
The spirit of contention is of Satan and many members are indulging in this.
Go ahead and criticize Romney, or whatever tenets of the Church you want. "As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

It is always amusing to me that in such rare instances as this where LDS church discipline comes into the public eye a lot of people stand up and argue about it and try to sway the vote, as it were.

Being a member of the LDS church is not a mandatory thing in this country or any other. So why is it that people are so concerned about who the LDS church wishes or does not wish to have on it's membership roles? Over twenty years ago a pseudo celebrity by the name of Sonya Johnson also brought here conflict with the church into the lime light. I suspect there was even more controversy over her issues than seem to be the case here. For a time it was front page news and now, I'll bet most don't even remember it or her. The LDS church has just continued on and I have no doubts that it will do so again and again.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

All religions have their share of apostates who have forsaken the beliefs of their various churches. It is nothing new. They push to explore the limits that they can go and act surprised when they get excommunicated.

The thing I don't understand is why a nonbeliever would care one way ..... or the other.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

@atl134

"that's why I had my name removed from the LDS church lists rather than just staying inactive, because I didn't feel like it was proper to stay a member when I didn't believe in many of the main ideas that make up said baptismal covenant."

That is behavior I can respect

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

So what does Scott Gordon and "FAIR" have to do with this?

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

What is patently false is that this person is being brought up to a Church disciplinary council because of statements about politics or Mitt Romney.

It appears the main concern is that this person is using being an active member of the Church as a front to give more credence to his attacks on the Church. I can see how this is a very disturbing set of actions. It has nothing to do with his political stance. Articles across the country have attempted to claim the council in some way cares about what he has said about Romney which is rubbish.

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

Rifleman, you state: The thing I don't understand is why a nonbeliever would care one way ..... or the other.

There are good legitimate reasons for nonbelievers to care about what is transpiring with their neighborhoods, politics, education, religion and society, because all citizens are swimming in the same waters, i.e.,: when people no longer care things get real bad very fast. Good government and democracy only works when people care and get involved. What the LDS church HQ does in Utah has an impact and affects others in many states.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

No one questions the right of a church to determine membership status for its adherents but what kind of an argument is that in an enlightened age? Is there no allowance for dissent in the one church that is touted as America’s distinctive contribution to world Christianity? The irony is so thick I could cut it with a knife.

I’m not familiar with Twede’s particular circumstances but apostasy is such an arbitrary and subjective determination to make. Let’s keep in mind that Galileo and Copernicus were both excommunicated from the Catholic Church for postulating the heretical proposition that the earth revolves around the sun.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

What is an irony is that this gentleman will probably suffer some type of Church discipline for what is on his sight refering to the Church. That is the apostasy. Craig Clark and others who are wondering about dissent in the Church need to read the definition of apostasy and see where it stands with this individual. Also, Craig Clark if you are an endowed member, you are held to a higher standing than an individual that is not. Therefore, the disciplinary action is quite harsher for an endowed member than it would be for one who is not endowed. The reason is because then the temple covenants come into play.

The problem is that this individual will after the discipline is handed down say he was disciplined for his actions based on his feelings for Mitt Romney. Both are inheritently false and the only premise for coming public is to try and sway the electorate against Mitt Romney and the Faith he holds. He will be disciplined for his actions as a member of the LDS Church not for his feelings right or wrong on Mitt Romney.

Jared H
Valrico, FL

OK, I've read enough of these to ask the question...to all left-leaning Mormons, how do you reach the conclusion that you are living your faith if you profess leftist political views? Do you live your life through the filter of your faith or not? I apply the Scriptures, revelation, and my own testimony to every political question I have and find that I do not agree with anything left leaning. I find I am more "Right_leaning Libertarian" (with reservations) who votes Republican due to mathematical restrictions.

Since truth isn't subjective, how do you reach such differing conclusions? I'm not accusing or judging. I'd just like to know. Please address specifically the following:

Gay Marriage, Socialism (economic), Abortion, Big Government.

regarding all other issues I can fathom a difference of opinion; these are a few I see as pretty stark and wonder where the paths diverge. Thanks in advance for your civil replies.

2close2call
Los Angeles, CA

@ A voice of Reason "We are guaranteed that our prophet will not lead us astray"

I think many Mormons believe that the FLDS have been led astray as they still practice polygamy. If that is the case it sounds to me like the early Mormon prophets like Brigham Young led those people astray by making statements that polygamy was necessary to practice in order to get into the celestial kingdom.

I don't think that we should listen to any man blindly whether they are a considered a prophet or not. I think we need to make our own mind up. That is what the man in this article did. He made his mind up that the church is not true and he tells people why. I think it is unwise to simply follow a prophet or follow David's belief's for that matter without determining in their own mind what is right and wrong

BobF2012
kitchener, 00

Jared H asked : “how do you reach the conclusion that you are living your faith if you profess leftist political views?”
Here are just a few examples:
Luke 9:2: “heal the sick.” The GOP wants to deprive millions of people of health care. Mr. Romney candidate has vowed to do so on day one of his administration.
Jacob 2: 19: “…feed the hungry, and to liberate the captive….” Romney has proposed cutting the Food Stamp and related programs, thus depriving hungry people, including innocent children, of food. He has said that Guantanamo, the U.S.’s Cuba-based torture chamber, should not be closed, but that its population should be doubled.

Matthew 22: 21: “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” In Canada, same-sex marriage is legal. No church is mandated to perform same-sex marriages. The things which are ‘Caesar’s’ (pertaining to government and not religious society), have their place; the things which are God’s (religious-oriented), have theirs. Religion does not mandate what government should do, or vice-versa.

Shimlau
SAINT GEORGE, UT

Interesting how an article like this will generate such and enormous amount of comment!

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