The future looks bright with Hill. And wow an amazing defensive effort! Offense
killed us. Completely.
Proof that BYU can't beat anyone decent.Mid-Majors for live.
Miss Heaps yet?
I love Bronco and I love the Cougars, but the coaches have a lot to explain
going for the 2pt conversion. The other team cannot get into the end zone all
night and the kicker cannot kick. Anything can happen but I like my chances in
Wow. No words to explain it. Defense gets an A+. Offense gets an F. Horribly
embarrassing.2004 all over again.
once again, byu beats themselves-right???
Let the defense win the game- no instead you go for a 2 point conversion. Poor
Both teams were less than stellar.
Unbelievable decision!OK waynerout, I'll concede, Nelson and Doman
are killing us.The best defensive performance in BYU history for Bronco
and he blows it on the 2 pt decision.
The only thing more pathetic than the offensive effort with the caliber of
receivers BYU has is the comments by the above irrelevant haters.
Bronco and Doman need to be shown the door.Here's to hoping
Hill can get the offense turned aroundfor the remainder of the season.
Two weeks in a row that our offense gives away winnable games. This is
sickening to watch what we anticipated would be a semi-potent offense sputter
and fail. Pointsettia Bowl here we come!
OK, so not going for the kick was one stupid call, even before the play played
out. But why no onsides kick? You are down 1, have no timeouts left and BSU
needs basically just 1 first down to shut the game down. The offensive play
calling in this game was the worst I've seen. No offense to Riley, but if
your starting QB has 3 INTs and just 18 yards after 2 1/2 quarters, you
don't keep him in. This is why you have a 2-deep chart!
Right now Brandon Doman is making me miss Robert Anae and Gary Crowton. Why did
it take 4 interceptions to pull Nelson? That loss belongs to Riley Nelson,
Doman and Mendenhall. They all three owe the rest of the team as well as the
fans an apology! Embarrassing to say the least!
Once again Bronco shows his coaching will cost BYU 3 or 4 loses a year. Gary
Andersen should be smiling.
I have to admit that was a great long drive at the end by the freshman Hill.
You might actually have a QB.What I don't understand is how do
you go for 2 points when you have momentum and your defense has shut out
Boise's offense? Tie the game and trust your defense win it.
I said in this paper that if Riley started against Boise State BYU would loose.
They did...we did. The good news is that Riley was finally replaced in a
game. Even though Bronco decided to take a loss, he did have the good
judgement to finally give Hill the reigns. Let's hope this continues for
the remainder of the season, but I fear we will see Riley starting in the next
Not sure why everyone is complaining...Riley Nelson threw the game-winning TD.
Fact 1: This is a very good defense. Very Good.Fact 2: Bronco is
a Very Good Defensive Coordinator.Fact 3: Hill is the future and
the future should begin now.Fact 4: Coaching cost this game.
Offensive and Decisions. No two points in that circumstance and if you do, you
go for the On Side. (See fact two as to where Bronco should be).Fact 5: Andy Reid.Fact 6: Teams lose football games. That
happens and it does not mean you are a bad team but giving it away is not how it
should go.Fact 7: Van Noy is an Olympian. As in Zeus or Apollo.Fact 8: Good job Boise State - they are tough and nearly unbeatable at
home. Proved again tonight.Fact 9: This game has nothing to do
with Utah. Fact 10: I have my tickets on order for the Poinsettia
Bowl and it will be against the Mountain West Champion - Boise State.
Great defenses. In in 7-7 game, I figured BYU would have won with a field goal
in OT. Alas, there was no OT.
It's easy to second guess after the 2-point try fails, but I have to agree
it's hard to imagine why when the defense played so well throughout the
whole game, and the offense finally shows something, that you would make it an
all or nothing. It appears Bronco just let the situation get the better of him.
He knows Boise State has lost like one home game in the last five years and got
greedy. Just not a sound decision, and really an insult to the defense if you
think about it.
Very entertaining game for those who like defense--which I do! I think BYU had
the momentum and didn't need to go for two, but good for Bronco--admire his
moxie!I know many people are excited about Hill, but he only
completed one decent yardage pass and some seven yard curls when the DBs were
playing ten yards off the receiver. I think everyone plays BYU on the line
until BYU's QBs can throw deep and keep them honest. Maybe BYU
should go to an Air Force style offense since they have pretty much no passing
game--at least that is tougher to overload against. I bet some of the BYU
receivers want to transfer right about now. A little more patience with Heaps
would have probably been best--Oh well! Good luck BYU! Join a conference fast!
I'm a Boise guy, and they looked horrible.They need a QB
You know BYU's coaching is pathetic when Uteolgy feels sorry for the
ThomasJeffersonWELLSVILLE, UTOf course the Ute fans/BYU haters
will jump in now. I dare say Utah would have been crushed buy Boise tonight! -----------Yes you can dare to dream. What if...The same Ute offense that put 17 points on BYU's defense who shut out
Boise. What this game showed is Utah up 24-7 fell a sleep in the 4th quarter
and let BYU back in the game (50 yards in penalties, 40 yards on offense).BYU against a good defenses is again horrible.
My guess is we haven't seen the last of Riley unfortunately. This will be
attributed to an injury. If he starts again, I'm done with this team until
Bronco is fired.
Uteology, well said.
I'm done with Bronco. Stupid to go for two. We need a real QB. Nothing
like wasting a good defense with a crappy offense.
Taysom had a hard time throwing because he was th back up! He can make those
throws! But the play book is designed for Nelson. Hill only has a few packages.
Give him the starting job and he will take off!
Great defensive effort! Now to the 2-pt conversion: I appreciate
such a gutsy call to secure the win but even if the 2-pt conversion worked for
them they still hadn't "won" the game by that point. They still
needed to prove that they were the better team and they could have done that in
OT with a QB in Hill that had just brought his team back into the game.
Stellar defensive effort, offense was horrible. No idea why BYU went for two.
This season is gonna be rough, let Hill start the rest of the year and get the
reps. Riley is gutsy, but just too careless with the ball. I feel sick once
again losing a very winnable game. Offense better buy the defensive players
dinner every night this week.
How to Lose a Game in 10 WaysStarring:Bronco MendenhallBrandon
DomanRiley Neilsonand the entire offensive line.Summary:1. Turnovers2. Penalties3. Awful Play-calling4. Poor Clock Management5. Sheer Stupidity from the coaching staff6. Lackluster offensive line7. Quarterbacks that can't pass8.
Running backs not getting touches9. Missed Field Goals10. A
completely misguided sense of superiority. Shown on a national
stage for the past two weeks and likely to remain in theaters for the
I don't know why the hate on bronco all of a sudden. Yeah a poor decision
on the 2 pt conversion but we always hear people ragging on him for not being
aggressive. And it was HIS defense that played stellar! Domain is to blame here.
Domain and Riley
BYU's defense is very good but great, I don't know. This is actually
the second game Boise hasn't scored a TD. This isn't the Boise State
offense of the past. They are very young on that side of the ball. Then I
can't tell if BYU's offense is all that bad. Boise State and
Utah's defenses are both very good. But the offense has to make strides.
You can't go into ND and hold them to seven points, that is not going to
happen. San Jose State can score points, Utah State can move the ball again and
GT will move the ball and score too. BYU is staring at a 6-6 record, maybe 7-5
ThomasJeffersonI was just going to read all the excuses, bringing
Utah into this conversation by a byu fan is typical byu. You just got beat once
again, byu is not very good and Boise is not even close to the Utes. Both teams
should be real proud of that showing in PRIME TIME, ESPN has got to be just
counting the games until that contract is up. Might have been a good idea for
the y to maybe win a game or two. IDAHO AT 10 O'clock doesent count. And
the one thing that is so true these days is BYU CANNOT BEAT UTAH, and it looks
the same for any team that has a winning record. I dare say pretty much any
team would have beat the y tonight.
Bronco lost this one, not the players; and he needs to be held accountable. I
admit in most situations, on the road, going for 2 is the right answer. But it
shouldn't have even been a thought in this game. BSU had not scored a TD.
BSU wouldn't let their kicker kick. Send it to OT.Hill is a
great runner, but BYU will never be great with a great runner. We have got to
find the passing game. We have some of the best WR we've ever had. It
makes no sense that our passing game sputters. I'm starting to buy-in to
some of the concern about Doman.
BYU's offense looked bad because Boise State's defense is good. Why is
it every time BYU loses it's because they gave the game away. Maybe just
maybe Boise State has a good defense too.
All I can say is thank goodness the Y coaches chose this profession instead of
med school. "Ah sorry sir but we accidentally confused your heart with your
Odd decision to go for two. Nobody would be complaining had it worked. I
thought they would rely on the defense in OT. Oh well. On the bright side, BYU
might actually have found a QB after a long drought. Hill is young but looked
really good. It might also help to replace Doman with...oh I don't
Was there some sort of contest between the coaches to see who could make the
most outrageous decisions? Go for it on 4th down when you have an easy field
goal. Go for two points when the other team can run out clock. I can't
Although this has been stated multiple times it cannot be repeated too often:
The decision to go for 2 was utterly incomprehensible (and I am usually a rather
fervent Bronco apologist). Does anyone reasonably think that we would not have
prevailed in OT? Only one team scored an offensive touchdown and given the
offensive struggles of both teams it likely would have come down to making
mid-range field goals on the first possessions in OT -- favoring us. My regard
for Bronco's overall situational football IQ has plummeted after this game.
I love Bronco, but bad decision to go for 2. BSU has a bad kicker and an offense
that had not moved the ball consistently all game. Defense should feel insulted!
Riley is not great, but he should not take much blame. Doman should take the
heat for this. How many times did he even try to go deep? Look at BSU defense,
they were all over the 5-10 yard stuff all night. Hard for Riley to find an open
man when all the defensive backs are 10 yards and closer to the line. Doman
better get it together or he might be the next Jamie Hill in a week or two. The
fire Brandon Doman websites are going to start to pop up soon!
Man Cougar fans, your defense is the best I have seen at BYU. This BYU team
reminds me a lot of a few Utah teams in recent years (solid defense and an
offense struggling to find itself).More similarities; Bronco's
loyalty and commitment to Riley Nelson is comparable to Whittingham's
loyalty to Wynn for years at Utah. The Utes offensive skill position athletes
have had their capabilities get stymied and they have wasted away. At BYU they
actually have some real good skill position athletes on both offense and
defense. But Hoffman and Apo don't get the ball, and if they do it's
not down field.BYU could have won last week and this week. They went
0-2. That hurts. Utah could have won their last two games and they went 1-1 in
those. I am glad Utah won the rivalry game but the USU game still bites for me.
To lose on forced fumbles that USU got back, and calls they didn't go the
Utes way, is like BYU fans complaints that they could have won if not for
turnovers and calls.Bounce back time.
Bronco may well be the one of the best D-Coordinators in the NCAA; however, he
seems to be struggling as a Head Coach - yet again... Hill is a bright spot at
the moment, but that can change.Advice to BYU Administration:
retain Bronco as DC, release Doman and hire a "real" OC, and look
elsewhere for a new HC (which won't be easy, considering BYU's hiring
standards and practices) - otherwise, the Cougs seem destined for mediocrity for
the foreseeable future...
Nelson's done, defenses have figured him out, he has become the third
running back and has ruined the running attack because teams are putting 9
people in the box.Dumb call for the 2 pt. conversion.Lark should
have been put in, what a slap in the face.I hope Doman is learning fast
cause this is embarrassing.
I am as dissappointed as anyone, but lets not be too harsh on our team. Go
One thing that stands out to me BYU fans. Didn't you run Norm Chow and
Robert Anae out of town. If you don't want Brandon Doman, where does that
leave you? Also, turnovers are more important stats (usually) than
total yards and other stats. To claim that you would of won if not for turnovers
is like saying you would have arrived home if not for the car accident.
Oh boy, wait BYU fans it gets worse....Against D1 teams, Michigan
State and BYU, Boise's offense:1) Has NOT scored a TD2)
They only have 6 points on FGs (23 yard and 19 yard FGs)What was
Bronco thinking? Maybe he thinks he's got talent like Oregon,
going for 2 regardless.As a die hard Ute, I'm amused!!@BYU JoeNot Fact, but Dream: Andy Reid/Steve Young/Ty Detmer/Kyle
BYU "fans" have given Hayes alot of grief but from what I saw from Riley
Nelson and Southwick tonight, Hayes is better than both of them - combined.
Boise State is way down. That was the second game already in the first three
that they have not scored an offensive TD (no TD vs. Michigan State).Although I am not a BYU fan, I really can't stand Boise State. The chance
to win was there. BYU is like Utah, Hoffman doesn't get the ball deep like
Devonte Christopher, Kenneth Scott, and Dres Anderson. One thing BYU
does have that Utah doesn't seem to have yet: a running game. 17 carries is
not enough for Alisa. Doman needs to run, and then set up play action down
field. Riley nelson couldn't do that, can Taysom Hill?
I just heard Bronco say on a radio interview that he has no second thoughts
about the decision to go for two and that he would do it again. The two cliches
about the definition of insanity and not learning from history come to mind.
Bronco, your defense was insulted when you went for two!
Coach says he would go for two again in the same situation and Nelson is still
his quarterback. Better hope the WAC part of the schedule comes really soon.
@CougarForeverExactly. He also announced Riley will still be the
starter "when healthy." Riley is only marginally better when he is
healthy. This is absolutely insane. BYU fans can't put up with this
No offense intended, but I really, really hope this will end any chance of
finishing ranked after beating up on wac cream puffs.
Ute fan here. I know Nelson is playing hurt. He seems to take a lot of big hits.
Aren't any of you worried about Hill rushing 12 times in less than a half
of football. Don't see how he can hold up physically if he rushes 25 times
a game. He needs a passing package just to limit his runs and protect the dude!
Who would you guys hire to replace Bronco ?
Dear Mr. Holmoe,Lets see, Boise CANNOT kick a field goal, and they CANNOT
move the ball against your defense, So after the first long, confidence
building scoring drive, instead of forcing over time where it appears you would
have the advantage, you go for two??! And then no onsides kick?? Are you
kidding me??!! Congratulations BYU, once again you snatched defeat from the
jaws of victory! Is BYU tying to win football games or running for miss
congeniality? Despite his imperfections I've liked Bronco, but this is the
last straw. He should be fired immediately. Or if not fired he should wear a
Santa Clause suit next game so the opposition appreciates the gift.
I never comment on BYU articles, but since all my BYU fan friends convinced me
to watch the game with them, thought I'd get on here and give some props to
BYU's defense. Sucks when a defense can play flawlessly, give up zero
points, and not come away with a W. Big time performance against a solid program
though- on that side of the ball. I've got to think BYU
would've pulled out the win if it had gone to overtime. Keep your heads up-
lots of positives to take away from that game.
Bronco thought they would get 3 tries again with help from the refs.
I'm a Utah fan and Alum, but I cheer for BYU every game except against the
U. A BYU win only helps Utah with strength of schedule. BYU's defense is
the best I can remember at the Y, athletic, physical and good speed. Terrific
wide receivers and solid running backs, but the O line is mediocre at best.
Hill shows promise, but the risk reward ratio with Nelson is much too high. My
family was yelling at the TV to kick the extra point, and trust your defense to
get to overtime. I thought Lark was #2 on the depth chart and has
the best arm of the QBs. Can't figure out the offensive coaching. Good
luck against the good teams left on the schedule.
Once heaps was replaced the change became permanent. Let's just hope the
same happens this year. Let Nelson be a leader and show grit from the bench
where he has always belonged!
Both coaches did not earn their pay in that game. One kick by BS and the game
is over and one by BYU and they win in overtime. Now, basically BYU season is
over and they have wasted the best defense they have ever had and most will
I'm a BYU fan and I never bought into the Nelson hype. He hasn't
beaten a single good team. I've been appalled any time this paper runs an
article about him becoming legendary. He's an ok (at best) quarterback and
a good leader but that can only get you best mediocre and slightly better than
Dear Riley,Thank you for transferring to BYU.Love,Utah State
What an embarrassing performance on national tv. I seen some pathetic offenses
in my time but Riley Nelson at QB takes the cake. After 3 interceptions and a
fumble, why did it take so long to yank him from the game? Why go for a two
point conversion? Your defense is playing lights out and you have no time outs
left due to inept clock management. Didn't BSU going for it (what were
they - o for 5 on 4th down conversions?) all those times in BYU territory tell
you Peterson has ZERO FAITH in his kicker? After tonight's
train wreck, you will see Coach Mendenhall's name in those Bleacher Report
articles entitled "Coaches Who Are Officially on the Hot Seat".
You start a QB that has been terrible all year, you wait till he has 4 turnovers
and 19 yards passing to replace him with who?? A freshman who doesn't even
know the play book while the best QB on team senior James Lark sits on the
bench. Mendenhall,Hall and Doman should be fired for incompetence.
Cougs, I think you really need to consider the bigger problem and i do mean
bigger, THE OFFENSIVE LINE!Nelson was horrible but he got his
head bashed in because of the line. Hill did bring in a new look that BSU did
not respond quickly to, but it is not a long term fix.There are at
least 3 more losses on the horizon and a couple could be blow outs.Good luck
Why are all you Y fans so high on Hill? He was 4 for 10 (!!!) for like 30
yards. It just happened that all 4 (!!!) of his completions came on the same
drive. From what I saw the kid can't hit the ocean from a boat, or has
Bronco told him that it's OK if the pass bounces once before reaching the
receiver?Is there something in the Honor Code that requires Y fans
to overhype their QB's? First it was "John Beck is going to win the
Heisman", then Max Hall, then Jake Heaps, then Riley Nelson, now this Hill
kid. It would be shocking to hear one of you proclaim, just once, that your QB
is probably going to be average.
Riley/Hill reminds me of Riley/HeapsRiley struggles and they throw
Heaps in too soon. He does ok for a while but is too young and loses confidence.
They they go right back to Riley.They are going to do the same thing
with Hill... just wait.
Brave Sir Robin, Excellent pointsBefore week #1 BYU fans were
mocking Utah's QBs. When I posted that BYUs QBs were no better than
Utah's I was showered with hate by the usual suspects. Duckhunter even
wrote a 6,000 word essay outlining BYU's superiority (must have spent 3
days on his analysis). I haven't seen the QB ratings from last night yet
but Riley's can't be higher than 20 and Hills was probably somewhere
around 60.I'm not a BYU hater, in fact I want to see BYU win
out, but some of you Y fans need to realize before the season starts that you
are not a contender for the NC every year and you don't have a Heisman
hopeful on your roster. Come back to earth
After watching Bronco's decision making it is no wonder the BYU job was
offered to Whittingham before it was finally accepted by Bronco. Kudos to the
BYU defense. They were great. I am afraid that after the way Bronco threw the
game away that the BYU defenders may just give up.
BSU just proves that even with one of the biggest rebuilding years and one of
the worst offenseses in school in history. They still beat a BYU team that was
suppose to be BCS bound. That had the greatest QB since Steve Young. Kind of
funny how quick all of you turn on your team and your QB. If BYU was going to
win any games against BSU this was going to be the year. Petterson will bring
alot stronger team next year to Provo.
To the BYU fans who are calling for Bronco's head, who do you propose we
hire to replace him? Last I heard Andy Reid isn't leaving the Eagles
anytime soon. Just saying, take a breath and come back to earth. This game was
lost by the offense, not Broncos decision.
who would have thought that BYUs offense would give up more points then there
defense? Domain and ultimately Mendenhall are to blame. Tough loss Cougar
Nation, what a golden oppurtunity to get a good road win slipped by
Didn't Bronco state earlier in the year that Lark was the backup to Nelson?
When was he lying, then or now?
What an absolutely wretched game to watch. The defenses on both sides were
amazing, and both offenses looked utterly inept. It was like watching two high
school offenses play against two NFL defenses. I've noticed a trend with
BYU fans and their quarterbacks. A BYU QB is thrown into the heat and does
reasonably well, wins a few games, and all of a sudden, he is superman. The
savior of BYU football, the one that will win the Heisman and take BYU back to a
national championship game. Then, the QB struggles against a good team and is
replaced by another QB who performs only marginally better than his teammate.
All of a sudden everybody turns their back on the original QB and proclaims his
replacement the new savior of BYU football. It happened with Heaps, it's
happening right now with Riley.Have BYU fans considered that maybe
the pressure from their unrealistic expectations from their quarterbacks may
contribute to these quarterbacks' struggles on the field? Not every guy who
throws the ball is going to look like Cam Newton right off the bat. It may even
take a few seasons for him to get to that point.
That may well have been THE worst QB performance in BYU history.While I admire Riley's grit and determination, he's proven
absolutely in the last two games that he can't perform at the level needed.
I feel bad for Nelson and Lark, but it's time to start preparing Taysom for
next season's very difficult schedule.
PipesDidn't Bronco state earlier in the year that Lark was the
backup to Nelson? When was he lying, then or now?Neither.Coaches, like everyone else, often have to change plans when things don't
go as expected.Bronco announced before the game that Taysom was
going to be the backup for this game.
Hill was 3rd string until this game and most of the plays he'd practiced
were situational, so he probably doesn't have a ton of passing plays to go
to. That obviously needs to change, and quickly!
afro14You obviously haven't been around very long if
that's your only observation. BYU fans have never said Nelson was a great
QB; the only thing they've said is he's a great competitor.
Why is that when 2 SEC teams have a great defensive performance and it ends up
in a 7-6 game everyone raves how great of a game it was. But when the same thing
happens with 2 mid majors its a boaring game, these teams are horrible. ESPN is
all over criticizing both teams and coaches. Yes it's not a great excitng
game if your into offense. personaly I would rather watch a 43-42 type of game
but you cant criticize these 2 teams for effort. Both Defenses played thier
hearts out last night. It really is a shame that either team had to lose.
However im glad my favorite team beat my second favorite team.
@thomasjefferspnhahahahahahahahahahaha you mean the say way they
were crushed by this same pathetic byu team last week right?? hahahahaha you y
fans are hilarious with your delusional rhetoric.
Congrats to Bronco for extricating himself from his stoic straightjacket,
showing some emotion and for pulling the trigger like in the gunslinging days of
BYU past. Yes, BYU lost a close one to a good team on their home field. No NC.
Boo hoo! Poinsettia Bowl here we come. Now, let's have some
fun. Let's air it out. Let's take some more chances. More trick plays.
If we win, great. If we lose, so what? Let's just watch some exciting
football and support the coach and his team. We're independent. We're
underdogs. Let's see if we can upset ND, USU, GT and beat who we are
supposed to beat and show some class doing it.