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Published: Thursday, Sept. 20 2012 8:10 p.m. MDT

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procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Scouts greeting Romney violated policy"

This is a small, politically motivated tempest in a very small teapot.

BSA has to enforce it's poltical neutrality in order to maintain its IRS 501(c)(3) tax exempt status -- particularly in an era in which BSA has become a target of professional liberal haters over its stance on atheism and homosexuality.

It has now done so, and is on record as enforcing the policy, which will immunize it from the inevitable attack by radical LGBT activists and other liberal hacks.

Case closed. No criminal law was violated. No intentional flouting of the 160,000-page IRS code. No overt BSA expression of preference for one candidate over another.

True, they won't be appearing with Obama -- he would never have invited them in the first place.

That's not because of his superior ethics, however, but because failure to show hatred of BSA and its members would offend an important Democrat radical fringe constituency.

BrentBot
Salt Lake City, UT

Who remembers the Democratic convention when a Boy Scout honor guard was booed by the Democrats? Perhaps the Boy Scouts need more participation in political events to regain civility of the political class.

Dutchman
Murray, UT

In my opinion by raising this issue in Utah the Boy Scouts just lost huge donations to the BSA to run their programs here in Utah. We all know who the complainers are. They do not want Republicans seen in a photo op with Boy Scouts. That plays too well in Utah. And it is not because there should be neutrality or separation. That is just cover. It is because some groups would never have the Boy Scouts out at the Airport anyway because of their hatred of scouting. That is the real issue and the bottom line.

If it was truly about neutrality and separation then why did my son’s Eagle Scout certificate that he just earned have the signature of Barack Obama on it? I say remove all politician names from BSA certificates and let the President of BSA sign them. There was nothing wrong with this group of Scouts going to the airport. Once again the media is trying to make something out of nothing.

wrz
Salt Lake City, UT

@Dixie Dan:

"The unanswered question is whether they would have also shown up for President Obama's plane."

Of course they would.

But another unanswered question might involve kindergarten and elementary school students being taught and performing pro-Obama songs at a Texas School...

'He’s Our Man, Yes We Can! mm mmm mmmm.'

We also wonder about Obama flying to his fund raisers in our Air Force One jet, on taxpayer dollars.

While we're at it... perhaps the scouts should ask why Obama flaunts federal rules/laws, such as our immigration laws.

@UtahBlueDevil:

"I love the lesson being taught here.... if you decide it isn't hurting anything, well then by all means violate the rules."

I'd bet the leaders violated traffic Rules (laws), such as speeding on their way to the airport, as well. Some real teaching opportunities here, if you look closely.

Blue AZ Cougar
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Between this story and the reaction to Romney's "47%" comment, I can't help but think our society is too easily offended. Our society is too caught up in being politically correct, being neutral on all issues, so as not to offend ANYONE. To this I say "Humbug!"

I understand the BSA's policy and their response, but these kids did nothing wrong. They weren't holding up any signs endorsing Romney, they didn't appear at a rally chanting his name, they weren't going door-to-door handing out fliers for his campaign, and they weren't giving him any money. They just wanted to meet him. No harm no foul.

Blue AZ Cougar
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@ Dixie Dan
The real question is whether Obama will step foot in Utah. He's already attacked the BSA for it's stance against gays serving in its ranks. I'm quite sure there are at least a few troops who will meet Obama somewhere in the country over the next few months. Our society is too easily offended -- we're WAY too concerned about being PC than we are about teaching our kids what is right and what is wrong. Encouraging children to be involved, or at least interested, in politics seems to take a back seat to whether or not they wore the right shirt for the occasion. Ridiculous!!

Star Bright
Salt Lake City, Ut

Hey Dixie Dan: "0" is the only President in the history of the boy scouts who refused to go to the Scout Jamboree. He has disdain for anything American. He was not in the US when he was young and when he went to Hawaii, he was mentored and raised by communists and so of course Scouting was not part of his history.
I would certainly think that if he ever set foot in Utah the Boy Scouts could go out and greet him, but I'm not sure they would be welcome.
Come on look up his history and don't just believe the msm who are so in the tank for "0".
I'm sad there is so much criticism of our scouts having a civic's lesson.

Grundle
West Jordan, UT

I agree with NedGrimley's remarks.

I would also like to see the LDS church's split from the BSA as well. The BSA are a terrific organization that are being bandied about as a political football. There are bound to be decisions on an institutional level that are inconsistent with the LDS Church's policies.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

rE: UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
"Yes, asking people to obey the rules of their organization is truly political correctness gone amuck."

Is that some reference to Obama and his instructions to the US Border Patrol to look the other way while illegal aliens enter our country? Isn't it OK for Boy Scouts to follow the example of the leader of this country?

eagle651
Chino Valley, AZ

Sounds like a case for the ACLU.

TreeHugger
Salt Lake City, UT

The Eagle Scout Award “I” earned was “fake” signed by President Clinton, and it didn’t have any effect on my thoughts about politics.

The leaders made a mistake, it happens! The leader wasn’t trying to brainwash the scouts. I trust these kids can think for themselves when it comes to politics. They got an opportunity to meet someone they will never get a chance to meet again, unless they have $25g’s sitting around or are famous like JayZ.

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Well, if the Boy Scouts do meet President Obama it won't be at Ft. A.P. Hill, Virginia or any other federal installation because the BSA is now prohibited from using military property for any of their functions even though the BSA used Ft. A.P. Hill for generations for its National Jamboree gatherings and the military liked that relationship and wanted it to continue. After all, many of the military's best recruits come from the ranks of the BSA. No matter, the BSA can no longer use military installations and it has nothing to do with security. So a few great donors went out and purchased private land in Virgina to replace Ft. A.P. Hill so that BSA national jamborees could continue in that area because it is closeness to Washington, D.C. and other historic sites. One of those donors was the Marriott Corporation. Don't be surprised if another was Mitt Romney. And if so, it is entirely appropriate for a few scouts to show up at the airport to greet him.

ute alumni
Tengoku, UT

and these (BSA) are the same people that are in the middle of a membership donation drive? timing is everything.

ute alumni
Tengoku, UT

if only the scuts would have held the new obama flag.

Lone Eagle
Aurora, CO

Memo to BSA: Meeting a candidate for office at an airport as said candidate deplanes does not constitute a "political" activity any more than attending a city meeting or school board meeting (requirement for Citizenship in the Community). Indeed, said meetings are clearly political in nature. Please correct either the policy or the merit badge requirement to prevent a violation of the policy as presently constituted.

Complaining about this non-event is absurd.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

I didn't give it a second thought when I saw the pictures of Boy Scouts greeting Romney. The recent statement by the BSA reminds me of how partisan we have become. Last February Governor Herbert ordered state buildings not to put up signs that said "Closed for Presidents' Day" because that would include our current President. Instead he wanted "Closed for Washington/Lincoln Day" lest somebody be offended. Isn't all this going a bit too far?

dwayne
Provo, UT

Matthew said he "didn't feel like we were doing anything wrong," and "I thought it was a little silly. We're kids. I'm the oldest, and I'm 16 going on 17."

Thanks for believing others who disagree with you are a "little silly." Did your mother and father teach you to make uncivil comments when you have been rebuked for misbehaving?

The reason this was unacceptable is because there's a political line that is drawn by the Boy Scouts. If your parents want to take you to meet with a politician, actor, musician or businessmen they have numerous opportunities to do so but it's not appropriate to welcome a candidate for public office while associated with the Boy Scouts of America and the policy is not silly. It is BECAUSE you are children that this is not right and what would you say to another Boy Scout in your troop if he told you he doesn't find it silly and didn't want to go but felt like he had to because his friends were going and didn't want to feel like an outcast? Maybe he didn't want to meet Romney

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

The most cogent argument here was by Dixie Dan. Those scout leaders should ask that question of themselves. And since they violated Scout policy they should be disciplined to forstall others from violating rules. The should be asked or required to resign. And, if this was an LDS sponored troop their bishop should release them as this could also be construed as an LDS Church endorsement of Romney.

Joey D
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Dixie Dan -

You forget who shunned who:

President Obama will make history as the first sitting president on a daytime talk show when he visits with the ladies of "The View." But he'll be missing out on another historic occasion -- the Boy Scouts' Jamboree marking the group's 100th anniversary, right in the president's backyard.

Blue AZ Cougar
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@Mike in Cedar City
Really, it could be construed as an endorsement by the Church? Seeing that picture, is that the message you get? Sounds like a perception problem. Get real. If the Church wanted to endorse a candidate, they're not gonna send a group of 5 teenage scouts to go greet him as he gets off a plane. There was no violation of BSA policies here. I didn't see any of those scouts holding a sign with Romney's name on it.

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