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Published: Thursday, Sept. 20 2012 12:01 p.m. MDT

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J-TX
Allen, TX

Noodle;

Obviously the General Authorities live our gospel to a higher degree than we rank and file. Otherwise, WE would be GA's.

We "neighborhood Mormons" do the best we can, and represent a cross section of your standard imperfect, struggling, under stress citizenry. That means some of us are bigoted. Some of us are racist. Some of us are elitist. Some Liberal. Some Republican. Some Libertarian.

But don't give up on us, because we all possess the foundation to improve little by little, as we strive every day to more fully emulate the Savior.

harrylevan
Salt Lake City, UT

Well of course it's acceptable. Nothing wrong with judging practices or beliefs (as opposed to skin color, gender or sexuality). But that isn't "pre"-judice. Mormons too frequently fail to understand the difference.

RAB
Bountiful, UT

@Claudio, Palintram, Instereo, utahboni & JohnH
News Flash: The article is NOT saying there are no other groups enduring bigotry. It is addressing the fact that attacks on Mormonism are the one prejudicial treatment still openly approved by many major mainstream media sources. Those who verbally attack atheists, gays, Jews, or Muslims are generally exposed as backwards extremists. You obviously never watched MSNBC or read the New York Times if you do not know which liberals are sniping at Mormons.

@mightymite
Your insight into millions of Mormon minds is astounding. I wish I had the ability to know if other people understand their own beliefs and teachings.

@falasha
Quoting a deceiver, like the serpent, does not say anything about what aspect of the words were the deception. The serpent's ONLY goal was to hurt God, Adam and Eve. That goal was attained by falsely claiming that God's command was motivated merely by a desire for exclusive power. In reality, God commanded them not to eat the fruit because He loved them and the eating of it would introduce suffering into their lives.It was a command based on love, not desire for exclusive power.

RAB
Bountiful, UT

@Noodlekaboodle and Schwa
Atheism means "not belief in God". Therefore, atheism says nothing about YOUR beliefs--only your contention against other people's beliefs. You therefore should not be surprised when others feel compelled to defend themselves.

@A Scientist and kishkumen
You're not anti-Mormon, you merely accuse ALL Mormons of being uninformed, delusional, hypocrites ignorant of their history. Whatever. An extermination order (children NOT excluded) is a RATIONAL response to unverified claims of a few disgruntled apostates? Good one.

@atl134
I've read the Koran. I've read the history. Stating facts is not "justifying prejudice".

@ owlmaster2
So, some Mormons say and do stupid things and that justifies bigotry against them? Whatever.

@Hutterite
So, it isn't prejudice. It is just revenge for Mormons having the audacity not to share your beliefs? Whatever.

@UtahBlueDevil
Who said they feel victimized or hurt? Maybe Mormons would just appreciate not watching their beliefs being attacked on major mainstream news channels.

@sharrona
I'd love to know what your point is. So you can cherry pick out-of-context century-old unverifiable quotes from church leaders whose comments bare little semblance to actual Mormon beliefs then or now. Good for you.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Rynn" prejudiced LDS members are not just withing Utah. I know people who have stated that they will never more to Utah because of the "Utah Mormons", and they are members of the LDS church.

There will be biases and prejudices until people grow up and realize that it is a waste of time.

Claudio
Springville, Ut

Gee, RAB. Wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

J-Tx - Very well said. I think that is one of the best ways to put into perspective that "mormon" doesn't classify all mormons into one group. Just like any other group there are good, bad, and everything in between. There are caring members, and there are judgemental members. There are honest members, there are dishonest members. Just like any other group, but the body of them is trying to do their best to do good.

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

Southernmiss, welcome to Utah.

There are two types of mormons, those from Utah and those not from Utah. You'd never know that the ones from outside Utah. They don't wear LDS on their sleeve. You can't help but know the ones from Utah. They tell you every day. 'Exaggeration? Yes, but it's true alot of the time.

Serenity
Manti, UT

Mighty Mite: "Most mormons do not understand thier own beliefs and teachings; those who do put thier head in the sand to stay apart of the cutlure"

Do you understand Mormon beliefs and teachings? If you did, you would not say the second part. Mormon teaching is available to anyone who wants to learn. The more you learn of it, the more you find out about God, the teachings of the Bible and everything falls into place. Why would anyone want to hide their heads in the sand over that? Me, personally, I would like to shout it from the rooftops and tell people about my wonderful religion, the truthfulness of the Gospel, the personal relationship we can have with the one whose Church this is: Jesus Christ. Why in the world would anyone be ashamed about that? I don't think that anyone could ever find a more true, a more fulfilling, more perfect religion.

Serenity
Manti, UT

Mighty Mite: "Most mormons do not understand thier own beliefs and teachings; those who do put thier head in the sand to stay apart of the cutlure"

Do you understand Mormon beliefs and teachings? If you did, you would not say the second part. Mormon teaching is available to anyone who wants to learn. The more you learn of it, the more you find out about God, the teachings of the Bible and everything falls into place. Why would anyone want to hide their heads in the sand over that? Me, personally, I would like to shout it from the rooftops and tell people about my wonderful religion, the truthfulness of the Gospel, the personal relationship we can have with the one whose Church this is: Jesus Christ. Why in the world would anyone be ashamed about that? I don't think that anyone could ever find a more true, a more fulfilling, more perfect religion.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Serenity, I don't think that anyone could ever find a more true, a more fulfilling, more perfect religion?
Alma 40:11 Now, concerning the state of the soul between death and the resurrection--Behold, it has been made known unto me by an angel, that the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body, yea, the spirits of all men, whether they be “good or evil,” are taken home to that God who gave them life?

... depart and to be with Christ… (Phil. 1:23). When Lazarus died, his spirit “was carried away by the angels into Abraham’s bosom” (Lk. 16:22). For those who die in Christ, death is union with the Lord. Jesus informed the dying thief, “Today you shall be with me in paradise” (Lk. 23:43).
At death, all who have lived in rebellion to God will enter a spirit state of pain, trouble, and sorrow (Psa. 116:3). It will be a realm of anguish, suffering, and torment (Mt. 22:13; 25:46; Mk. 9:48; Lk. 16:24; 2 Thes. 1:9; Rev. 20:10).

BYU Papa
Cedar Hills, ut

I found this article very interesting. I was surprised to find that the author was an athiest. It reminded me a little of Paul before King Agrippa. He said, Paul almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. I feel the same way about Joseph Walker.

Every thing in the Universee testifies of the Creator. Also, all the ancient prophets and the fruits of the church. Jesus said, By their fruits ye shall know them. Finally, God will answer the prayer of faith. Please let me know when you join the church. You think so clearly you deserve the blessings.

RAB
Bountiful, UT

@ Claudio
Yes, yes I did wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

@ Sharrona
Not sure what you are trying to say with all those scriptures, but if you are thinking there is any iota of contradiction with LDS doctrine, you are wasting your time. The LDS Church teaches that all people, good and bad, will return to the presence of Christ (God, the son) after mortal death. The place where we all will meet Christ has many names (Paradise and Abraham's bosom to name a few). The righteous will be pleased and joyous in his presence. The unrepentant rebellious however, will suffer the anguish and torment for their deeds in His presence until they repent.

When Christ visited Mary after His death, he told her He had not yet ascended to His Father. We know therefore that this Paradise where He said He would join the thief was NOT the heaven where God the Father resides. Christ will eventually judge all of us. We will then all be resurrected and those who were able to repent will join Christ and be with The Father forever, in heaven. (Just like all those scriptures said)

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: RAB, Paradise where He said He would join the thief was NOT the heaven where God the Father resides. Wrong,
The word "paradise" is found in the O.T.(Genesis 2:8 Septuagint) a garden(paradeisos,3857)in the east of Eden and three times in the N. T: Luke 23:43, Savior on the cross says to the thief, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise"; 2 Corinthians 12:2-4,where Paul alludes to his vision of the third heaven and which is paradise; and Revelation 2:7,…” the righteous who partake of the tree of life in the midst of God's paradise.”

@He had not yet ascended to His Father.
That same day he appeared to his disciples(Luke 24:39). Sometime during the day he went to heaven to fulfill the High priest(sacrifice) type.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to Destroy both soul and body in (gehenna) hell.(Mt 10:28) No second chance.

..his final doom is to endure a never ending torment.(Mosiah 2:39)

Stay the Course
Salt Lake City, utah

RAB even if you did wake up on the wrong I still like your comments I agreed with everyone of them

bandersonfam
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Though it is true that most Mormons don't understand their beliefs and teachings perfectly or live them perfectly; My observation is that most active Mormons understand and can speak of their beliefs and the teachings of their Church far better than most - not all - members of other churches.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Sharrona: You are speaking mainly of the final judgement. We all go to one of two places after we die to await the resurrection. We have not as yet been judged of our life here on earth. You are mixing the two which is the problem with mainline Christianity. Alma spells it out quite well. Doctrine & Covenants 138 spells it out even better giving us a clear understanding of what happens when we die. That is why temple work is so important to give every man, woman and child the opportunity to return to the Father. Your's is completely and entirely a separatist father. One who loves just a few of his children. Again until you really truely understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ which you do not and most individuals don't you can't say it is wrong. The Lord has spelled out what IS HIS church on earth and it is The Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day Saints and none other.

Dennis
Harwich, MA

@ClarkHippo....you're taking liberties with my comment. A lot of people don't take criticism very well, Mormons do it worse than most. Read these articles.

KMCopeland
West Point, MS

I've often had that precise thought, only instead of "Mormonism" being the last acceptable prejudice, I had "the American South" in that spot instead. But I think they both belong there. People who are far too enlighened to ever tell insulting jokes about this or that nationality, or religion, or make racial slurs on any kind, have no problem whatsoever saying nasty, insulting things about the South -- or about the Church. Where if you're a Mormon, it's usually some snide comment about polygamy and/or Joseph Smith, if you're a Southerner is's usually all about how nobody has indoor plumbing, teeth, or an education.

We would all do well to remember that any and all prejudice & bigotry, even that which society finds completely acceptable (like that against both Mormonism and "Southernness," should find no quarter in our hearts, minds, AND in our speech.

zabivka
Orem, UT

I think there are two problems at work here:

1. Latter-day saints are very demanding, as far as how much they want people to to "get right" about their beliefs. It isn't enough to know about the First Vision, for example--you have to know the Church-approved fourth version of it, and any other version is "anti-Mormon". It isn't enough to know about polygamy, which was a core doctrine in the mid-1800's--you have to also know that it was banned near the end of the 19th century, and that Mormons today feel no kinship with the polygamist offshoots of their original religion. You know what I mean? With every doctrine, you need to understand the "counter-doctrine" that sprouted up later. That's a tall order for a curious investigator.

2. Many latter-day saints can't even get their own doctrines straight. NBC's Mormon in America program illustrated that perfectly with the whole "caffeine segment." Everyone on the comment boards was roasting NBC for "getting it wrong," but it was that active Mormon woman who was propagating the misunderstanding. Again, a tall order for your average Joe.

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