Comments about ‘Mormonism: The last acceptable prejudice?’

Return to article »

Published: Thursday, Sept. 20 2012 12:01 p.m. MDT

Comments
  • Oldest first
  • Newest first
  • Most recommended
Instereo
Eureka, UT

Whow, when I read this I thought what about Jews, Moslems, GLBT, Liberals, Democrats, Blacks, Women, and I could go on and on. When I look at the comment section, I'm amazed at how much "Acceptable Prejudice" is shown by people who profess to be LDS. Granted, I'm not perfect, nor are LDS people (BTW, I'm LDS) but we aren't the last "Acceptable Prejudice" we are just one of many and non of them are acceptable. The fact is if you put prejudice on a scale, the LDS population gets far less from the world then other groups and actually do more then their share of spreading prejudice themselves. The bottom line is for me personally, I'm trying to be more open to differences and more accepting of different people.

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

@Palintram.

Introduce yourself to Mormon history and you'll find that religious discrimination against our people is equal to our claim.

Cowboy Dude
SAINT GEORGE, UT

Underwear and drinking are common aspects of Mormons and very personal to the members. That is why it is asked about.

However, concerning the deep doctrine, only LDS Church spokespersons should speak for all Mormons as to what the Church believes.

We believe in teaching by the Spirit, meaning only what you know to be true. Governor Romney is Mormon but should only speak of his faith as from what he personally believes...saying "I believe...." rather than "we believe..." Unless quoting from the Articles of Faith.

Therefore, Mormons are not uninformed, and all can speak to their own personal testimony.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

I enjoyed Critchley's NYTs article very much. His main thesis, however, was not that "anti-Mormonism" is the last remaining prejudice; rather, it was that the (as he so eloquently put it) "gloriously presumptive and delusional" and poetically and politically audacious theological challenge of Mormonism is "entirely absent from the discussion" about Mormonism.

Critchley wrote: "It's really fine to say totally uninformed things about Mormonism in public..."

My disdain for Mormonism is wholly and thoroughly INFORMED by decades of research, study, and experience. So does that make it NOT a "prejudice"? Indeed, mine is an opinion of Mormonism that is "post-judice" - I have judged the religion and its adherents only AFTER taking it seriously and giving it the benefit of the doubt.

But Mormons persist in their prejudice of ME by calling me "anti-Mormon" and a "hater", and they seem to love to play the persecution card -- they tend to think that anyone who does not think and talk only in superlative terms about Mormonism is "prejudiced" and bigoted.

But nothing could be further from the truth.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@RAB
"Obviously, you just are okay with branding Mormons, but not Islamists."

No, I'm not. I'm merely saying that people are going to react differently to the South Park guys, who make fun of anything and everything, and a group that is trying to brand a religion as murderers. I'm saying the scale difference between the two is why it's not entirely useful to use as an example of 'see, they only condemn one thing and not the other'.

"I've seen enough anti-Mormon propaganda to know that Mormonism have also been branded as a religion of "murderous extremists""

Yes, and I condemn that stuff. I was LDS for several years after all. I'm fairly familiar with what gets thrown in that direction.

"Yet you do not have to read much actual Islamic history to see plenty of killing going on."

You seem to be trying to justify a prejudice while opposing prejudices.

@AZRods
"that the LDS religion is clearly the most openly attacked and criticized religion today."

I'd say atheists and Muslims are. After all, they're the ones people respond in surveys as least willing to vote for.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Moreover, I find it remarkably hypocritical that Mormons claim they have a history of being persecuted and discriminated against by "anti-Mormons", and they are always "misunderstood" -- but a serious study of Mormon history would support the contention that those who persecuted Mormons were almost entirely FORMER Mormons!

Even the infamously demonized Governor Boggs and his "Extermination Order" was, upon closer inspection, a reasonable and rational response to sworn affidavits by the President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (Thomas B. Marsh) and another senior Apostle (Orson Hyde) who had regular meetings with as well as inside knowledge of the threats and activities of the (shall we say "terrorist group") Danites... with such information from top LDS leaders, Governor Boggs had every reason to issue that order. But "faithful" Mormons NEVER see that side of the history.

If there are "prejudices" against Mormons, Mormons go a long way toward facilitating such prejudices by their own history, behavior, and persecution complex.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

It’s not too surprising that Joseph Smith could envision God as a human being who once went through his own mortal existence and who after his resurrection went on to progress to the advanced stage of development he had achieved when he created the heavens and the earth as described in the first chapter of Genesis. It resonates because it encapsulates human aspirations to reach heights that are unlimited.

Joseph Smith once said that the Book of Revelation was the easiest book in the Bible to understand. What a wily fellow he was to cast out a challenge like that for men to shoot for. His heavenly vision was in stark contrast to the more down to earth view of Thomas Jefferson who once described the Book of Revelation as the ravings of a mad man.

Cowboy Dude
SAINT GEORGE, UT

atl134 "I'm merely saying that people are going to react differently to the South Park guys, who make fun of anything and everything, and a group that is trying to brand a religion as murderers."

So how will Al-Queda react to the South Park guys if they show their stuff in the Middle East?

sharrona
layton, UT

To: Jared", Most Mormons do not understand their own beliefs and teachings; those who do put their head in the sand to stay apart. True,
Brigham Young declared that plural marriage was a requirement for exaltation. On August 19, 1866, he said, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy" (JoD 11:268).

owlmaster2
Kaysville, UT

The adverse comments about Mormons come from one on one experiences with Mormons that makes stupid comments or do outrages things. Want an example?
How about the neighbor that tells a Hindu family that in order for her Mormon children to play with their Hindu children, they, the Hindu's have to have the Mormon Missionaries come and teach them Mormon standards.
Or the Mormon neighbor that takes a loaf of bread to a neighbor that just moved in and upon finding out the new neighbor of a different faith takes the bread back and leaves.
Mormon leaders don't have a clue what "real Utah" Mormons are like.

Some are way weird and judgmental.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

A Scientist,

If you ever get tired venting, I recommend trying humor for relief.

kishkumen
American Fork, UT

The victim mentality displayed in this article is getting really old this year. There are numerous people who have studied the LDS church thoroughly, and are critical of it based on an accurate knowledge they have obtained by attending the church and studying the religion. It is really arrogant to tell those people that they are just being prejudiced.

Serenity
Manti, UT

I simply don't understand it. Why is it so acceptable to say and write derogatory things about the LDS religion? Why isn’t there such a thing as "Mormon Bashing"? Why can't hateful things done against Mormons be a hate crime? If anyone said or wrote anything against the prophet Mohammed or Islam, or Martin Luther King, for instance, there would be incredible repercussions. But if anyone says anything about the LDS Church, it seems as if some people join together and have a good old Mormon denigrating party. They tell lies and half-twisted truths and no one objects. The only one they run down more than Mormons is God. They do the same thing to him - deny his existence while speaking about him with contempt. Of course there are the Evangelicals who claim to believe in God and human love, yet have no problem teaching false things about the LDS Church. Many of them have been taught that Mormons are all evil and children of the devil and are condemned to eternal damnation. Sorry, I simply don't understand This is not following Christ who said to love one another.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Stop pretending it's prejudice. If you annoy enough other people they may actually dislike you. Sorry, but you haven't done much for the gays, atheists, sunday shoppers, agnostics, beer drinkers, democrats, environmentalists, and a whole buch of other folks in utah and beyond.

Schwa
South Jordan, UT

Try being an atheist, and see if you get persecuted for your religious beliefs.

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

I don't think we hide our heads in the sand. Sure, some may -- but then that can be said of every group of people.

Many of us simply don't care to get upset, climb up on towers and cry fowl, or what ever. There are a good number of us who have pretty good grasp on our doctrine and are content to simply exist and do our best without feeling a need to advertise whether or not we feel put upon or discriminated against.

I have seen many situations where derogatory statements about other factions in society is rebuffed with labels such as bigot or racist, but to point a mocking finger at the LDS faith is applauded at enlightening. Not always, and not by everyone, but enough times that it is difficult to ignore all the time.

Jared
Average, SE

Re: sharrona

Not everything in the Journal of Discourses is official LDS Church doctrine (and the JofD cannot be used as indicative of official church doctrine without corroborating and documented statements by church presidents acting in official capacity), even if it was reported to have been stated by a church leader (the issue is that many things in the Journal of Discourse volumes were recollections of what was said instead of actual text of what was said and in many cases are . I'm not denying the quote but the issue with that particular quote is you have taken it out of context. FAIR has a decent discussion about that particular quote in context and with other statements from Brigham Young.

In any case, that quote has nothing to do with my comment. It's a red herring (and a misleading one at that).

the truth
Holladay, UT

@Atl124
@A Scientist,
and others,

Those who complain about others playing victim,

seem to be playing the victim the most.

Serenity
Manti, UT

@ Hutterite. No one is pretending it's prejudice. How many religions can say that in some colleges there is actually a course on why Mormonism is evil. How many people are told that unless they repent and change their religion they are sure to got to hell because they follow the devil and not God? How many people are subjugated to lies, half truths and out and out blatant dislike only because of their faith? How many people are out there whose religion gets ridiculed by a Broadway play, such as "The Book of Mormon" ? The examples you give are just one of the things I am talking about. You are annoyed because Mormons don't shop on Sunday, for instance. That's what they believe in and it irritates you. Why? Then you think that everyone else is justified in disliking Mormons just because of what they honestly believe. Sorry, I just don't understand this kind of prejudice and dislike.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Of course it is okay to bash Mormons and the LDS Church.

After all, the evil, rich, white, uncaring guy who wears funny underwear and is a REPUBLICAN is a Mormon, so they must all be weird, right?

At least that is what we will hear from the mainstream media until at least the end of the election, or the end of his term if Romney wins.

My personal experience with members of the LDS faith towards non-members has been 100% positive and respectful, and tolerant. Oh, that the news media and the left (but I repeat myself) would behave the same way.

to comment

DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.
About comments