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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 19 2012 8:56 a.m. MDT

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atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@ SS
"You have to be absolutely ignorant to think that when Romney referred to the 47% he was talking about people who LEGITIMATELY NEED government assistance. "

If he was only referring to people who abuse the system... he wouldn't use the number 47% in association with the percentage of people he thinks are just looking for dependency, people he can never convince to be personally responsible.

Wonder
Provo, UT

Like I've said before, it is hilarious to me that no low income Republican (and I know there are lots of you) thinks HE is one of the people Romney is referring to as a moocher. I wonder why? Who are these horrible people who are mooching off the government if they are not you?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mountanman
"Do you really think people who pay no federal income taxes will vote for Romney?"

The Tax Foundation lists Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Georgia, South Carolina, Idaho and Texas all are in the top 10 for percentage of people who pay no income tax. Obama got crushed in just about all of them, beyond just merely losing. If 47% don't pay income tax then that means these states have rates above 47% of not paying income tax.

Here's some categories of people that tend to end up paying 0 federal income taxes:
1. seniors
2. people who work but make under 20k a year
3. young families with children who make less than 50k a year (so it's the Republican policy of tax credits and tax cuts that leads these people to not pay income taxes).
4. the unemployed due to the economy

Only two states in the top 10 for people not paying income taxes voted for Obama in 08, those states were New Mexico (4th most not paying income taxes), and Florida (9th).

10 states with the lowest percentages? Washington, Wyoming, Alaska, North Dakota, Minnesota, Virginia, Maryland, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire. Obama won 7.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@atl134

Shhh. How dare you point out to our friend from Idaho that laundry list of facts. I can't believe you'd dare mention that his beloved Idaho is in the top ten for non-tax-paying citizens.

O'really
Idaho Falls, ID

@ middle class-

Sorry for those in your life who have had unfortunate circumstances. But aren't you being a little judgmental of Romney's family yourself? Romney DID say that we help those in need. Try to look at his words and what he was really saying and who he was saying it to. Interpretation: I don't care about the 47% MEANS I know I'm probably not going to get their vote and I can't waste my time campaigning where it's not going to do any good.

Of course he cares and has heart and love for people from every background! He cares deeply enough to put himself in the line of public scrutiny, to face all kinds of personal attacks, to say he won't take any salary as President, to have his beloved beliefs splayed and mocked, to have his family life put in a pressure cooker- all so that he can try to help this country change directions.

It means tough love for those who are schmoozing the government, making it harder for them to abuse the generosity of the govt. Those who really deserve govt help will still get it.

mamiejane
Salt Lake City, UT

One of the reasons people pay fewer taxes is because of the expansion of the child deduction which occurred under both Democratic and Republican presidents. The credit was advocated by Republicans as a way to support traditional families. In Mitt's world, a large family getting by with Mom at home and Dad working for middle of the road wages is a drain on society. I am so disappointed at Romney's failure to think through the consequences of his words.

Joan Watson
TWIN FALLS, ID

its true - too many feel and believe its the governments role to take care of them from cradle to the grave. Or do state and government welfare statistics show otherwise?

Glen in the Bronx
Bronx, NY

I am a Democrat and I am completely willing to talk about spending cuts. But how can we speak about spending cuts when the other side says that the Bush tax cuts are sacrosanct and the tax breaks for plutocrats must remain in place and any savings must come from spending cuts. Which is even more galling when these are the same folks that ran up a fair chunk of the $16T debt in the first place with the two wars that were not paid for, the expansion of Medicare Part D, and an assortment of other social programs brought in between 2001-2009 *none* of which were paid for.

O'really
Idaho Falls, ID

@ Hutterite

You do realize this is media spin don't you. He admitted his point was ineligantly stated. Any intelligent person with an ounce of forgiveness in their hearts recognizes this as a bit of a clumsy, unscripted generalization for use in figuring out campaign strategy. It was NOT meant to be an insult to the poor as liberal media and the likes of you are trying to paint it.

But his point was something to seriously consider. Too many in this country are living off the dole. There are many who refuse to work the available blue collar jobs because they won't make enough to keep up with their "lifestyle". So they sit at home playing video games, being rude, demanding and abusive to their wives and children and spending their money on booze. I know these people personally. It makes me sick to watch it!

Romney never said every one of those 47% were lazy abusive scumbags. Obviously he didn't mean that. I'm suspicious though, that the ones who are complaining the most about his statement are the ones who most need to get off their duffs and get a job.

middle class
Cedar City, 00

@O'Really

I doubt that you know Mitt. His words reflect what is in his heart. His actions do, too:

Mitt has a huge ego and thirst for power. The Olympics were all his. He stated such during his tenure as chairman of it. Then came his Governorship. Again, a power job that he thrived on. And now this candidacy is the same...he will say anything to get elected. Because it's all about ego and power. It isn't about principle.

What is about principle is what the Savior (Matt:5-7) and King Benjamin taught.

If he were making principle his foundation for his candidacy, he wouldn't have said what he did. He cares nothing for others, whether they be the 47% or us in the 53%. He only wants power and prestige.

Someday he'll answer for his true attitude and what's in his heart.

Wonder
Provo, UT

O'really -- But O'really, I would be willing to bet that these mooching friends of yours are voting for Romney. Am I right? And seriously, if someone is on welfare they make more than a blue collar worker? I think that is a myth, but since you seem to have a lot of friends in that category, perhaps you know more than I do. I am complaining about what Romney said, but I don't need to get off my duff and get a job. I'm one of the "job creators" that Republicans love. I also happen to be voting for Obama, because I don't want to go back to the failed Bush policies that caused this economic nightmare and I don't want to go back to the failed Bush policies that got us into the war in Iraq.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

O'really said: "You do realize this is media spin don't you."

No it was his own words, I watched the whole video, they didn't even have to take it out of context like the republicans did with "you didn't build that."

"He admitted his point was ineligantly stated. Any intelligent person with an ounce of forgiveness in their hearts recognizes this as a bit of a clumsy, unscripted generalization for use in figuring out campaign strategy.

No forgiveness is needed because he was right according to you and many right wing posters.

"It was NOT meant to be an insult to the poor as liberal media and the likes of you are trying to paint it."
I know what I heard, no need for any spin.

It was NOT meant to be heard by those who couldn't afford the $50,000 a plate dinner.
Any intelligent person recognizes Mit got caught! It was NOT a bit of a clumsy, unscripted generalization for use in figuring out campaign strategy. He got caught being exactly who he is.
Disconnected, arrogant, naive.

Daleycall
Mesa, AZ

We are fast approaching the tipping point where those who don't pay taxes will be able to vote a tax increase on those who do pay taxes. It's too bad that so many can't see that, or not smart enough to realize it.....until it's too late.

Herbert Gravy
Salinas, CA

Can anyone imagine Barack Obama trying to save the SLC Olympics? Would have been a disaster like everything else he gets involved in. The stock market starting to look a little shaky to you? Good luck to all of us. Those who have been in Congress for the past 30 or 40 years have had this happen on their "watch" (Democrat and Republican alike). Hope they are proud of what they've produced for us. And this while they've voted themselves pay raises and cushy pensions and exempted themselves from the health care plans that the "dumb masses" have. Yes, go ahead and vote for the incumbent - let's get the economic and social catastrophe started now! Why wait???

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Mitt's Mother and Father must be rolling over in their graves.

Mitt's Mother Lonore Romney went on Television back in 1962 and was asked to respond to people who said that since George Romney is a man of considerable means, he does not care about people.

“He was on welfare relief for the first years of his life. But this great country gave him opportunities,” Lenore Romney says.

George Romney was born to American parents in living in Mexico. His family fled to the United States from their Mormon colony when he was a child during the Mexican revolution. His family benefited from a refugee fund established by Congress. (Lenore Romney calls him “a refugee from Mexico” in the interview.)

His Father therefor, was no doubt part of that low-life 47% her son was referring to....

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

LDS LIBERAL....."Low-Life" was not a phrase ever used by Romney, are you related to Harry Reid?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Daleycall
Mesa, AZ
We are fast approaching the tipping point where those who don't pay taxes will be able to vote a tax increase on those who do pay taxes. It's too bad that so many can't see that, or not smart enough to realize it.....until it's too late.

12:47 p.m. Sept. 19, 2012

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When the 1% owns 80% of everything, they SHOULD be paying 80% of the taxes.
That should be a no-brainer.

It's too bad that so many can't see that, or not smart enough to realize it.....until it's too late.

MormonDem
Provo, UT

The 47% of Americans who Mitt has written off include:
--retirees who no longer have income to pay income tax on
--students who are not yet in the workforce
--vets receiving benefits
--those with disabilities
--the working poor, who still pay payroll taxes but who don't make enough money to pay income tax

Romney says that those same 47% of Americans are also all Obama supporters, who he will never win over and won't have to worry about.

As others have pointed out, the numbers are bogus. Many of the 47% are Republicans, and poor red states as a whole draw much more from the federal government than their citizens pay in in federal income taxes.

But I'm happy to prove Mitt right: all you retirees, students, disabled citizens, and working poor, even if you're Republican, Mitt has said he doesn't care about you. So why don't you come on over to our side?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@O'Really
"Any intelligent person with an ounce of forgiveness in their hearts recognizes this as a bit of a clumsy, unscripted generalization for use in figuring out campaign strategy."

Except for the fact that he said that he stood by his remarks. I'm not looking for merely a more tasteful way to call half of American lazy slackers looking for handouts and can't possibly be taught personal responsibility. Especially when the fact is that of the 47% who don't pay income taxes, many are seniors, and most make low incomes, and southern states have the highest rates of it so they're definitely not Obama voters (analysis suggests that at best they can be classified as low income voters which are only 60-40 for Obama... hardly a demographic that Romney can't get any support from).

mattrick78
Cedar City, UT

I pay taxes and will be voting for Obama. So much for Romney's 47% theory.

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