How many Utah families pay no income taxes? Should we eliminate deductions for
children and interest on homes? Should not everyone pay a little something? Too
many Republicans see only the lowering of their taxes as important. Get real.
This election is a serious deal. Until the Republican publicly accept some
increase in tax revenues from those who can afford it most, I cannot support
I don't think Governor Romney is as rabidly anti-tax, anti-poor as the
Obama campaign would like us to think, but I do think that his status in life
can contribute to blindness to most of our worries and pain. A nation of
desperately poor people presided over by the blindingly wealthy isn't a
strong nation, and lacks in the concepts of mercy or even the pursuit of
happiness for all.
Romney is absolutely correct! The Democrats have succeeded in producing a
subclass of dependency in America. The 47% and growing that will vote to keep
the Democrats in power so they can keep their “free” stuff flowing.
It won’t work forever though as we can see by the explosion of the
national debt and by the government printing ever more devaluated money. The
consequences are horrible however as there really is no such thing as a free
lunch. We are now facing double digit inflation, credit downgrades and default!
Thanks Democrats you are harming most those whom you claim you are helping!
Democrats are ashamed to be the "food stamp party"... The truth hurts!
It's Obama's policies who have increased the food stamp recipients
from the thirty percentile tomthe forty nine percentile...........a vote for
Obama is a vote for more food stamps
Semantics aside: This is not about legitimate government services or a safety
net; it is rather obvious that Obama wishes to create a dependent class who
bitterly clings to the democratic party for their sustenance - conveniently
buying their votes with the money taken from people who are not dependent (or
who do not wish to remain dependent)Obama's fantasy girl
"Julia"; is the consummate incompetent leech who should not be idolized
@DVD I agree. No that doesn't describe a strong nation. But to simply hand
out money to the poor doesn't make us a strong nation either. What makes us
a stong nation is to create opportunities for everyone possible to work and
contribute- to feel needed and thus increase productivity. To say that Romney is
blind to the poor is absurd. Of course he is aware of the poor. A person
doesn't have to live every lifestyle to know that it exists. Isn't
that asking a little too much of any presidential candidate to expect them to
have lived in poverty at some point in their lives? When has that ever been a
requirement? Did we ask that of Clinton, Carter or Kennedy? Romney
said in a speech yesterday "We are a compassionate, caring people. We all
believe that people in distress need help, and we give them help to pull
themselves back up. But we don’t believe in redistribution" .I believe that Obama is so desperate to win that he will do anything to get a
vote like hob-nobbing with Hollywood when he should be paying attention to real
"It's Obama's policies who have increased the food stamp
recipients from the thirty percentile tomthe [sic] forty nine
percentile..."Funny, I thought it was a housing crashing,
joblessness and recession that caused those things...
I have a child in graduate school. She is living independently on loans. She
will pay no inclome tax.I have a brother who has schizophrenia and
lives in subsidized housing and on State welfare. he will pay no income tax.My mother is 84 and retired on Social Security. She will pay no income
tax.I have an adult daughter who is a waitress. She makes about
$15,000 a year. She pays no income tax.To Mr. Romney, these are
victims who have no ambition. They are leaches.Mr. Romney was born
into wealth, as have been his children. I don't know nor care to know how
they live their lives.But he has no heart nor love of America to
label the unfortunate people in our society who are either disabled or working
hard to make it. Does he only care for those that never faced hardship, never
served their country and are wealthy?
Romney says one thing to the cameras, and has another view that he shares with
the big spenders on his campaign. Still can't believe this guy thinks he
can win."And so my job is not to worry about those people."
-Mitt Romney referring to the 47%
Wow, I am totally amazed at how many people are upset and offended by the
truth.Just two days ago, I saw on the news where they were talking with 25
to 30 year old men and women. Two of the people said, "This is my body and I
need to take care of it, I need to stay healthy. I therefore am voting for Obama
care." What they are really saying is, "I need to take care of
myself, I just need someone else to pay for it." This is exactly what Romney
is talking about.There are absolutely way too many people who feel like
the government needs to take care of them.I say Wake Up America!! Before
it's too late!!
@ SoCalUte. Its already too late! Bread will be $10.00/loaf and gasoline will be
around $8.00/gal before the end of Obama’s next term! But it will STILL be
Bush’s fault, somehow! Got your food storage? You are going to need it!
"It's Obama's policies who have increased the food stamp
recipients from the thirty percentile to the [forty nine percentile..."Funny, I thought it was a housing crashing, joblessness and recession
that caused those !Democrats beclown themselves when they try to
excuse Obama and his policies that in four years have created exactly what he
intended to do! Create a sub class of supporters who are dependent on him
forever.....take from the makers and give to the fakers! Sure there are some
who need help, but I doubt that 47 % of all Americans fall into that category
without finding some lazy occupy wall street types like Fluke and Obama himself!
Hey FDR, can you publicly accept some cuts to spending? Or is it only important
to raise taxes?
You have to be absolutely ignorant to think that when Romney referred to the 47%
he was talking about people who LEGITIMATELY NEED government assistance. He
isn't stupid, he understands that those people can't survive without
it. He didn't say,"lets cut all government funded programs."
Although that's what everybody's over dramatic reactions make it seem
like. There are so many people who take advantage of the welfare
system that it is a joke. I know lots of people who are either on welfare and
don't even try to work, or who are on unemployment and refuse to work
because it gives them more than if they actually would work. Its absolutely
ridiculous. The percentile of people not paying income tax could drop to 30 % if
people would not have the ability to buy their Air Jordans and booze with
government money. People have lost the ability to budget and be productive
because they have been crippled by government handouts.
@ SS -- and I bet those people you know who are in the middle of Utah and are on
welfare, etc. are 99% Republican and won't be voting for Obama. Mitt is
dissing his own base.
@MountanmanIf the 47% were such reliably Democratic voters then how come
Obama only won 1 of the 10 states (Florida) with the highest rates of people not
paying income taxes? I know you have a nice little narrative you want to sell,
but it's full of lies.
I encourage everyone to got to the Wall Street Journal opinion page to read
Romney's draft remarks on the subject. As WSJ says, it's curious why
he didn't just use these remarks, but it gives a good idea of where Romney
really is on the issue.
FDRFan asked the question: "How many Utah families pay no income
taxes?"Utah ranks 10th amongst states in the lowest percentage
of income tax payers (per the Tax Foundation).According to Romney,
it appears that those in Utah (more so than those in 40 other states) are
"dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe
the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are
entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's
an entitlement. And the government should give it to them...These are people who
pay no income tax."
@ atl. Do you really think people who pay no federal income taxes will vote for
Romney? Really? So much for your accusations!
Mitt's squirming a little on this one. And the defense of "I know I am,
but what are you?" isn't working well.
@ SS"You have to be absolutely ignorant to think that when Romney
referred to the 47% he was talking about people who LEGITIMATELY NEED government
assistance. "If he was only referring to people who abuse the
system... he wouldn't use the number 47% in association with the percentage
of people he thinks are just looking for dependency, people he can never
convince to be personally responsible.
Like I've said before, it is hilarious to me that no low income Republican
(and I know there are lots of you) thinks HE is one of the people Romney is
referring to as a moocher. I wonder why? Who are these horrible people who are
mooching off the government if they are not you?
@Mountanman"Do you really think people who pay no federal income taxes
will vote for Romney?"The Tax Foundation lists Alabama,
Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Georgia, South Carolina, Idaho and Texas all
are in the top 10 for percentage of people who pay no income tax. Obama got
crushed in just about all of them, beyond just merely losing. If 47% don't
pay income tax then that means these states have rates above 47% of not paying
income tax.Here's some categories of people that tend to end up
paying 0 federal income taxes:1. seniors2. people who work but make
under 20k a year3. young families with children who make less than 50k a
year (so it's the Republican policy of tax credits and tax cuts that leads
these people to not pay income taxes).4. the unemployed due to the
economyOnly two states in the top 10 for people not paying income
taxes voted for Obama in 08, those states were New Mexico (4th most not paying
income taxes), and Florida (9th).10 states with the lowest
percentages? Washington, Wyoming, Alaska, North Dakota, Minnesota, Virginia,
Maryland, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire. Obama won 7.
@atl134Shhh. How dare you point out to our friend from Idaho that
laundry list of facts. I can't believe you'd dare mention that his
beloved Idaho is in the top ten for non-tax-paying citizens.
@ middle class-Sorry for those in your life who have had unfortunate
circumstances. But aren't you being a little judgmental of Romney's
family yourself? Romney DID say that we help those in need. Try to look at his
words and what he was really saying and who he was saying it to. Interpretation:
I don't care about the 47% MEANS I know I'm probably not going to get
their vote and I can't waste my time campaigning where it's not going
to do any good. Of course he cares and has heart and love for people
from every background! He cares deeply enough to put himself in the line of
public scrutiny, to face all kinds of personal attacks, to say he won't
take any salary as President, to have his beloved beliefs splayed and mocked, to
have his family life put in a pressure cooker- all so that he can try to help
this country change directions. It means tough love for those who
are schmoozing the government, making it harder for them to abuse the generosity
of the govt. Those who really deserve govt help will still get it.
One of the reasons people pay fewer taxes is because of the expansion of the
child deduction which occurred under both Democratic and Republican presidents.
The credit was advocated by Republicans as a way to support traditional
families. In Mitt's world, a large family getting by with Mom at home and
Dad working for middle of the road wages is a drain on society. I am so
disappointed at Romney's failure to think through the consequences of his
its true - too many feel and believe its the governments role to take care of
them from cradle to the grave. Or do state and government welfare statistics
I am a Democrat and I am completely willing to talk about spending cuts. But
how can we speak about spending cuts when the other side says that the Bush tax
cuts are sacrosanct and the tax breaks for plutocrats must remain in place and
any savings must come from spending cuts. Which is even more galling when these
are the same folks that ran up a fair chunk of the $16T debt in the first place
with the two wars that were not paid for, the expansion of Medicare Part D, and
an assortment of other social programs brought in between 2001-2009 *none* of
which were paid for.
@ HutteriteYou do realize this is media spin don't you. He
admitted his point was ineligantly stated. Any intelligent person with an ounce
of forgiveness in their hearts recognizes this as a bit of a clumsy, unscripted
generalization for use in figuring out campaign strategy. It was NOT meant to be
an insult to the poor as liberal media and the likes of you are trying to paint
it. But his point was something to seriously consider. Too many in
this country are living off the dole. There are many who refuse to work the
available blue collar jobs because they won't make enough to keep up with
their "lifestyle". So they sit at home playing video games, being rude,
demanding and abusive to their wives and children and spending their money on
booze. I know these people personally. It makes me sick to watch it! Romney never said every one of those 47% were lazy abusive scumbags. Obviously
he didn't mean that. I'm suspicious though, that the ones who are
complaining the most about his statement are the ones who most need to get off
their duffs and get a job.
@O'ReallyI doubt that you know Mitt. His words reflect what is
in his heart. His actions do, too:Mitt has a huge ego and thirst
for power. The Olympics were all his. He stated such during his tenure as
chairman of it. Then came his Governorship. Again, a power job that he thrived
on. And now this candidacy is the same...he will say anything to get elected.
Because it's all about ego and power. It isn't about principle.What is about principle is what the Savior (Matt:5-7) and King Benjamin
taught.If he were making principle his foundation for his candidacy,
he wouldn't have said what he did. He cares nothing for others, whether
they be the 47% or us in the 53%. He only wants power and prestige.Someday he'll answer for his true attitude and what's in his heart.
O'really -- But O'really, I would be willing to bet that these
mooching friends of yours are voting for Romney. Am I right? And seriously, if
someone is on welfare they make more than a blue collar worker? I think that is
a myth, but since you seem to have a lot of friends in that category, perhaps
you know more than I do. I am complaining about what Romney said, but I
don't need to get off my duff and get a job. I'm one of the "job
creators" that Republicans love. I also happen to be voting for Obama,
because I don't want to go back to the failed Bush policies that caused
this economic nightmare and I don't want to go back to the failed Bush
policies that got us into the war in Iraq.
O'really said: "You do realize this is media spin don't you."
No it was his own words, I watched the whole video, they didn't
even have to take it out of context like the republicans did with "you
didn't build that.""He admitted his point was
ineligantly stated. Any intelligent person with an ounce of forgiveness in their
hearts recognizes this as a bit of a clumsy, unscripted generalization for use
in figuring out campaign strategy. No forgiveness is needed because
he was right according to you and many right wing posters. "It
was NOT meant to be an insult to the poor as liberal media and the likes of you
are trying to paint it."I know what I heard, no need for any spin. It was NOT meant to be heard by those who couldn't afford the
$50,000 a plate dinner.Any intelligent person recognizes Mit got caught!
It was NOT a bit of a clumsy, unscripted generalization for use in figuring out
campaign strategy. He got caught being exactly who he is.Disconnected,
We are fast approaching the tipping point where those who don't pay taxes
will be able to vote a tax increase on those who do pay taxes. It's too
bad that so many can't see that, or not smart enough to realize
it.....until it's too late.
Can anyone imagine Barack Obama trying to save the SLC Olympics? Would have
been a disaster like everything else he gets involved in. The stock market
starting to look a little shaky to you? Good luck to all of us. Those who have
been in Congress for the past 30 or 40 years have had this happen on their
"watch" (Democrat and Republican alike). Hope they are proud of what
they've produced for us. And this while they've voted themselves pay
raises and cushy pensions and exempted themselves from the health care plans
that the "dumb masses" have. Yes, go ahead and vote for the incumbent -
let's get the economic and social catastrophe started now! Why wait???
Mitt's Mother and Father must be rolling over in their graves.Mitt's Mother Lonore Romney went on Television back in 1962 and was asked
to respond to people who said that since George Romney is a man of considerable
means, he does not care about people.“He was on welfare relief
for the first years of his life. But this great country gave him
opportunities,” Lenore Romney says.George Romney was born to
American parents in living in Mexico. His family fled to the United States from
their Mormon colony when he was a child during the Mexican revolution. His
family benefited from a refugee fund established by Congress. (Lenore Romney
calls him “a refugee from Mexico” in the interview.)His
Father therefor, was no doubt part of that low-life 47% her son was referring
LDS LIBERAL....."Low-Life" was not a phrase ever used by Romney, are you
related to Harry Reid?
DaleycallMesa, AZWe are fast approaching the tipping point where
those who don't pay taxes will be able to vote a tax increase on those who
do pay taxes. It's too bad that so many can't see that, or not smart
enough to realize it.....until it's too late.12:47 p.m. Sept.
19, 2012============== When the 1% owns 80% of
everything, they SHOULD be paying 80% of the taxes.That should be a
no-brainer.It's too bad that so many can't see that, or
not smart enough to realize it.....until it's too late.
The 47% of Americans who Mitt has written off include:--retirees who no
longer have income to pay income tax on--students who are not yet in the
workforce--vets receiving benefits--those with disabilities--the working poor, who still pay payroll taxes but who don't make enough
money to pay income taxRomney says that those same 47% of Americans
are also all Obama supporters, who he will never win over and won't have to
worry about.As others have pointed out, the numbers are bogus. Many
of the 47% are Republicans, and poor red states as a whole draw much more from
the federal government than their citizens pay in in federal income taxes.But I'm happy to prove Mitt right: all you retirees, students,
disabled citizens, and working poor, even if you're Republican, Mitt has
said he doesn't care about you. So why don't you come on over to our
@O'Really"Any intelligent person with an ounce of forgiveness in
their hearts recognizes this as a bit of a clumsy, unscripted generalization for
use in figuring out campaign strategy."Except for the fact that
he said that he stood by his remarks. I'm not looking for merely a more
tasteful way to call half of American lazy slackers looking for handouts and
can't possibly be taught personal responsibility. Especially when the fact
is that of the 47% who don't pay income taxes, many are seniors, and most
make low incomes, and southern states have the highest rates of it so
they're definitely not Obama voters (analysis suggests that at best they
can be classified as low income voters which are only 60-40 for Obama... hardly
a demographic that Romney can't get any support from).
I pay taxes and will be voting for Obama. So much for Romney's 47% theory.
100% agree with everything Mitt said.
It is very probable if not likely that eight of the last ten years that Mitt was
one of these citizens who didn't pay Federal Income Tax--why else do you
think he's not releasing his Tax Returns. I guess that makes Mitt a taker
and moocher. He's saying he refuses to take responsibility for himself.Even the year he released his returns, he paid 14%--considerably less
than most working folks. Those are the priorities of the GOP! They don't
value hard work, they value the ultra-wealthy.Enjoy 40-60 more days
of the Romney Reader, a.k.a. Deseret News!
The Dictatorship Of The RightIn recent days we have see Mitt Romney
speak with distain about half the population living as sponges on the rest of
society. He claims that they are "dependent" upon the government when
he is really saying that these people (and the Middle Class, for that matter)
should serve the needs of the wealthy. He proposes reducing the taxes of
millionaires while increasing the taxes of the Middle Class. He suggests that
the needs and the wants of the wealthy be satisfied and he is the man to make
this happen while at the same time refusing to tell voters what he plans to do
if elected president.This is all a secret plot to establish an
oligarchy (much as the system our ancestors left behind in Europe in the
building of this country) so that those who have achieved riches can keep and
maintain their position and not be bothered by competition by others hoping to
improve their lives and thus reduce the control by those already wealthy. Also,
by changing tax laws to favor the wealthy, he hopes to re-establish the old
"entitlment class" and protect its survival for future generations.
I feel like my team just lost the Super Bowl and I'm already looking to
Some of you just don't get the message. Two things I fault Romney with are
1) a clutzy remark made too flippantly before a group of wealthy donators to his
campaign. He should have been more careful about what he said. But obviously
those in the room- a private meeting by the way, were smart enough to pick up on
the of the message. And 2) the inability to recognize that so many Americans are
going to literalize everything he says and that he really should have clarified
his statement when he had the chance because those with thin skin are going to
take it all personally. I think he believes Americans are more intelligent than
they really appear to be. Honestly people- give Romney some credit
for having compassion.It's not humanly possible to not screw up your words
now and then. Why doesn't Obama get as much criticism for the dumb things
he says? How can he go on Letterman and talk about brewing beer in the White
House? Why wasn't he talking foreign policy with Israel instead? Because he
cares more about his hip image than he does about national security.
Re: Wildcat: "Even the year he released his returns, he paid
14%--considerably less than most working folks" - this is simply not true.
At a 14% income tax rate Mitt Romney pays a higher effective rate than nearly
80% of taxpayers (and that's if you include payroll taxes). He pays way
more than I pay since last year my effective rate was -40% (yes, that's a
negative) due to limited income and various credits. Of course, that means
I'm one of the "47%" but I'm voting for Mitt Romney.In any case, as has been made clear, Romney's 47% comment was taken out
of context because right after it, 1-2 minutes of video are missing (either due
to the error of the person capturing it or through selective editing of people
trying to paint Romney in the worst possible light).
Mountanman Hayden, IDPeople vote against their economic interests
all the time. For many, social issues trump economic issues. Republicans have
tapped into this descrepancy and taken advantage to their benefit. Why do you
thing anti-abortion initiatives always appear on the ballot during presidential
elections? It's the great con game!SS MiddleofNowhere,
UtahYes! He is.SoCalUte Trabuco Canyon, CA"The sky is falling!" -- Chicken LittleMountanman
Hayden, ID . . . and the moon is made out of green cheese.O'really Idaho Falls, IDAnd this about a guy who literally
"bought" the Republican nomination. A fellow nobody wanted.Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UTLike Rick Santorum said,
there is no place in the Republican Party for intelligent people. Poor Bill
Buckley. What has happened to his Republican Party?TRUTH Salt Lake
City, UTSo you blame Obama for 2008 and the economic meltdown?
Perhaps some investigative reading is in order.
My problem with Romney is not that he rich and out of touch, its that he says
stupid "inelegant" stuff that when president can have huge implications
not only domestically but on the world stage.
O'really Idaho Falls, ID"How can he go on Letterman and
talk about brewing beer in the White House?" Really? Is this
your complaint? Do you ever watch Letterman? Or do you just object to
homebrewing?Why don't you complain about Romney hosting a
fundraiser where wine is served? Perhaps because it's not important.
"Why doesn't Obama get as much criticism for the dumb things he
says?"What makes you think he doesn't get criticized?
The polls that came out this week were taken before the news broke about this
secretly recorded meeting. It will be very interesting to see if the polls
change in the next week or two due to this uproar. My gut feel is that Mitt is
going to lose at least a couple of percentage points. He insulted so many
people either directly or indirectly that I can't imagine he won't
have caused many of the undecideds to vote against him. He already had a
reputation as a cold, represents only the wealthy, candidate. This video
certainly reinforces that image of Mitt.
DesNews, thanks from the Obama camp for helping them by steering the American
public's focus away from the Administration's foreign affairs
disaster. Keep it going. As you've been told, keep harping on Romney's
comments and don't report anything regarding the Middle East attacks on
U.S. personnel and embassies, the economy being in the toilet, Fast and Furious,
Israel vs Iran, etc.Oh, and just a reminder that I don't get
the real news from you.
Those on the right wing of the Republican Party have been quoting this statistic
for years. As the article points out it really isn't fair to include
seniors, veterans, and others who have paid their dues and earned a benefit. I
think what is happening here is that Romney is telling a group of potential
donors what they want to hear. If he doesn't back off this statement its
really going to hurt him. The tricky part is doing that in a way that
doesn't alienate the powerful donors he was trying to impress. Stay tuned.
Romney has exposed the truth about dependency. With the dependent group
expanding 30% under Obama, it is clear this is the change we weren't asking
for. How a politician is planning to get votes is nothing compared
to how a president allows guns to walk and Ambassadors to be killed.
@Jared -- Why don't you think Romney was talking about you? Who do you
think he WAS talking about? Why was he talking about them and not you? Why are
you so special that you get a pass on being a freeloader but other people
don't? What makes them have so much less value to society than you?
"Romney has exposed the truth about dependency."He
hasn't exposed anything. He just took overused political drivel and made a
@ Ying Fah Typical Liberal splatter. Neither Romney nor anyone from his camp
has laid out a plan that says we are going to reduce taxes on the wealthy and
increase taxes on the middle class. Learn to deal with truth rather than
hype.@ Mattrick78 Why do all liberals think that because a person is
wealthy, he is out of touch. While this may be true with people who are born
into wealth. Mitt Romney, however was born into a low income family. He built
his own wealth from the Bottom Up.I would say that a person who can climb
from the bottom, to the top is a lot more in touch than you are.
MapleDon: "Oh, and just a reminder that I don't get the real news from
you."That's obvious, your post shows everyone that your
news comes from (non) entertainers like: sean, rush, glenn etc...part of
the difference between thinking people David Letterman is NOT a news
interviewer, he's an entertainer. Jared said: "In any case,
as has been made clear, Romney's 47% comment was taken out of context
because right after it, 1-2 minutes of video are missing (either due to the
error of the person capturing it or through selective editing of people trying
to paint Romney in the worst possible light)."What you think he
apologized after he said that, or he got to the punch line? Because
he's not denying what he said, or saying it was "taken out of
context" but his apologists like yourself are, which would indicate you
disagree with his comment or at least see the trouble in his statement, there is
hope for you.
Mr. Romney and his Tea Party have declared class war on over half of the
American population. They think that those of us on Social Security, Medicare,
or who are of the working poor to lower middle class, or those with large
families, should pay more in taxes, so that the rich "Job Creators" (see
China) can stimmulate a robust ecconomy, like they did in the Bush
administration. Does he really believe this, or is he just saying what his
handlers are telling him to say. Either way it is quite concerning to voters
able to think through the problems facing our nation.
I have said they same thing Romney said and heard others comment the same, that
all those who are on welfare or are ok with being dependent on the government
assistance will of course vote Democratic, as they are concerned only for
keeping their entitlements. ...the Dems are about style I guess, not
substance, as they are always attacking Conservatives due not so much to the
substance of what they say, but that their style of saying it is all
wrong...Pres. O. does well on the talk shows, he's a great entertainer,
let's let him go do that, what I want out of the next election is a great
President, and I'm okay if he's not a great entertainer, just that he
get the job done. Go vote for Mitt if you want to save America.
@SoCalUteRomney isn't out of touch because he is wealthy. He
is out of touch because he fails to realize that just because you don't pay
taxes doesn't mean that you feel you are entitled government services. His
generalization was based on ignorance.
SoCalUteTrabuco Canyon, CA@ Mattrick78 Why do all liberals
think that because a person is wealthy, he is out of touch. While this may be
true with people who are born into wealth. Mitt Romney, however was born into a
low income family. He built his own wealth from the Bottom Up.I would say
that a person who can climb from the bottom, to the top is a lot more in touch
than you are.•3:44 p.m. Sept. 19, 2012============= Dude, what planet are you from?Are just making this all up, or did
someone feed a lie – hook, line and sinker?Mitt Romney born
into a low income family?You’ve either terribly mixed him up
with his good Father George Romney, or the current President Obama [who both started at the bottom and had to work their ways to the top] !FYI – Mitt thinks that those making $250K a year are middle
income.The truth is $50K is middle income, and YES – he is out of
Oh my gosh. A Presidential candidate telling the truth. What? Are you kidding
me? What is this country coming to? He can't tell the truth, he is running
for President of the United States of America! He has to lie, and tell the
people what they want to hear. He has to promise the moon. He has to promise to
cut the deficit in half. He has to promise to end unemployment all together.
Vote for him and he will give you money. He will pay your mortgage. Tell the
truth? What kind of nonsense is that? Give me a break left wing media!
Does Obama connect with the American people? If he did, he
wouldn't spend hundreds of millions of our dollatrs for vacations, nor
waste hundreds of millions on Solyndra, then give billions to other
countries.Who gave any president the right to take our money for
vacations? It's stealing, plain and simple, and Obama is a hypocrite. His
connecting with people is a farce. Romney and Obama are not held to
the same standard.
Enough of all this unimportant things. It is still about the economy...! If the
economy is strong, everyone, the country as a whole or at least the majority of
the people will be better off. This country is going down and we are talking
about pandering to groups of people. It should all be about for the benefit of
the whole country.
@LDS LiberalMitt was not born when is dad was Governer. He was born long
before that and yes at the time he was born they were low income
I guess I should clarify myself, although the people who know more about me than
I do probably won't even read this clarifying statement. When I said that I
know a lot of people who live off of welfare and don't get jobs because
they make more off of unemployment, 90% of the people I was referring to are
people that I know from California, not a Republican state. I lived there for
two years. But, leave it to Democrats to know everything.
Why does many Romney defenders here sound so similar to the propaganda spread
during the Cultural Revolution in China during the late '60s? Perhaps the
strategy works where the people seeking to maintain power choose to avoid any
factual information and simply rely upon expressing contempt and ridicule of the
opposition. This is the basis of the Dictatorship of the Right comment made
earlier. It sounds so familiar. Now half the American electorate is denounced
as "worthless parasites" feeding at the expense of the Right-Wing elite,
only Mao said it was taking advantage of "the people" while he sought to
consolidate the Communist Party elite and remove any and all detractors who
threatened his position by killing them off.Romney, when you get
down to basics, wants to help the rich get richer and is willing to destroy the
Middle Class to achieve those ends. This is Chairman Mao in a business suit.
Bain Capital was his tool for his Great Leap Forward, destroying people to grow
his world and profit his comrades. And they work overtime to paint his image in
the same manner as was done for Mao: an unrealistic friend of the working class.
Hmmmm...I think all one has to do is look around at the younger generation and
know they want everyone handed to them. Example: free health care, money but
not wanting to work for it, nice cars, cell phones, insurance (last three they
expect their parents to pay for). I work with young 20+ year olds everyday on
Hill AFB and they have made it very clear...they are entitled to everything and
have to do nothing for it. This comment of 47% is not far from the truth, if
not the exact truth...I think it's sad that facts and the truth
are hated and pounced on as something bad...
What have Obama done to our country in the last three in a half years? What
I've heard from Obama supporters and surrogates specially Biden is that
"Bin Laden is dead" and that "GMC is alive". If that is what
Obama done to this country in the last three and a half years, then that is not
good enough. And don't tell me it about Obamacare. I'm middle class
and when he gets another term, I will no longer be middle class but poor.
To SoCalUte 4:57 p.m. Sept. 19, 2012@LDS LiberalMitt was not
born when is dad was Governer. He was born long before that and yes at the time
he was born they were low income---------------------That's not accurate. Willard is the youngest of George Romney's
children, and was born when his father was a well-paid auto industry executive.
Willard's life has never been anything but affluent.
To O'Really: How do you know what people in this country are doing on a
daily basis? How can you gage how many people sit at home and "play video
games." I will be so happy when this Presidential election is over because
it has bought the worst in the People. Romney is only expressing what has been
the sentiments of most people in his circle. It isn't new news. Experience
has shown that those who think like Romney has been wrong before. And I am sure
that when they discovered they were wrong, they found some good reason why they
said what they said, just like Romney. So, stop the bickering people. I am
amazed at some of the derogatory comments coming from Men and Women who should
@Ying FahThe communist leader you are talking about is Obama and
his sycophant followers and the liberal media doing all the to help tObama
(google story of reporters caught on audio talking about how they working
together to attack romney, see democrat weighted polls).Why should
we aspire to to have a large middle class,. I believe we should want as many
possible to do better than that.IT is left that wants a large group
of poor and middle class, dependent on them for everything, to
create a foundation of sustaining power for themselves. IT is the elite left
seeking power.All of Romney recent statements are true and factual
and appropriate , and there is and was nothing wrong about them.it
only the left that has problem with them because they are trying to tear
Romney down.The right wants to bring everyone up, not to aspire to
President Obama has so many more aspects to the government, people, economy,
diplomacy and a variety of other dealings to answer for and has made mistake
after mistake. The underground recording that was made was made in
May 2012, 4 months ago. From the many and multiple debates with this type of
topic, what he believes about people, has already been discussed in view of
millions of people. This is not even a hot mic episode, where a candidate knows
the potential for an off channel comment, one way or another. In this
situation, it was a private or invited guests situation where a person can make
comments that may have been altered or modified due to the time lapse and that
recordings were not expected to be taking place. Mitt Romney has
made over the past 4 months, in speeches, meet and greet situations, and
discussions with advisors. H has led by example and has treated people fairly.
As a business person, he knows there are tough decisions to be made. Obama
hasn't made any real decisions since Obamacare which he forced on Congress
and leaders. Since President Obama won't handle the economy,
Mitt will, in January.
I'm one of the 47% and I whole heartedly support Romney. I haven't
paid income taxes in many years due to my children, other deductions, and income
level. I for one am in favor of what Mitt can do for the economy that will
increase my wage earning ability and hopefully get me out of the 47%. Also,
I'm very much in favor of reforming the tax code and eliminating many of
the deductions that I use. I would be in favor of keeping the charitable
contribution deduction. As for my home mortgage? I'm in favor of
eliminating that. I'm also in favor of a flat tax with very
little or no deductions and everyone pays a percentage of their income. Yes,
even the poor. They would pay also. After all 10% of $10,000 is $1,000.00.
$100,000.00 is $10,000.00. $1,000,000.00 is $100,000.00. $10,000,000.00 is
$1,000,000.00. $100,000,000.00 is $10,000,000.00 and so forth. Under a flat
tax, Mitt would be paying quite a lot. But then so would Obama.
re A1994 11:10 a.m. Sept. 19, 2012Thanks but no thanks WSJ is
owned by News Corp (the parent corp of Fixed Noise). That fact alone screams
lack of credibility.
re: the truth 6:47 p.m. Sept. 19, 2012"The right wants to bring
everyone up, not to aspire to middle class."Its true a rising
tide lifts all boats. But, the GOP has no desire to bring everyone up.The GOP has an Animal Farm Mentality, "All animals are equal... some more
than others"The some being Willard the insincere & his kind.
@ boxerdog915Its human nature to want something for nothing.
Don't make it a generational thing. There are plenty of people
who are shallow, self-absorbed, whiny, incredibly materialistic, and have a
pathological need to keep up with the joneses. Its the rule in 21st
century America not the exception. Obama and the progressive/socialist movement
are behind the curve IMO says this aggravated & sarcastic Libertarian.
As an Independent who voted for Obama last election, I can truthfully say I have
always held a job - my father did not leave me millions. I served my country,
never been on welfare nor has any of my family. I have paid my taxes, used
government programs for higher education, purchasing a house and sending my son
to college...I am not a victim nor do I feel the government owes me anything.
But one thing I know for sure Mitt has no sense of what a real working person
has to do to provide for their family. And judging from many of the comments
neither do many of Mitt's supporters. it is easy to parrot talking points
of the radical right, Deep down one has to know most of the GOP points are lies
but refusing to acknowledge the obvious makes it hard to find the goodness in
one's heart that seems lost to many of the posters. I will pray for your
lost sense of responsibility and kindness towards your fellow man.
Do people really think Barack Obama IS in touch with the everyday American?
Seriously? He just attended a party at Jay Z's where there was a $105,000
display of booze. It was a $40,000 per person event. Don't try to act
like Obama is anymore in touch with your needs than Mitt Romney. It's not
the case. If I was concerned about someone being 'in touch' I'd
go nominate the guy at the gas station to be President.
Can't believe the insecurity of some people. Jealousy, and envy over Mitt
Romney is childish.
The mean spirited county club candidate.
So what have we learned by these hand picked quotes? That Presidential
candidates make stupid statements at fundraisers. Will 47 percent
affect the election? "bitter clinger" didn't.
The “47%” number is actually wrong. In fact, 49.5% of Americans do
not pay taxes according to the Heritage Foundation. Certainly there are those
weakest among us that need government assistance. But who gives the government
money? The people who pay taxes do. We are close to the threshold where more
people need government assistance than those that don’t. This number has
spiked from 44% in 2009 to 49.5% now. Those who really care about
the weakest among us should know that the weakest among us are supported by the
strong ones. What happens when there aren’t enough strong ones to support
the weak? If we all become government dependent then we all become weak.
I wonder how many people comment on here without actually reading the article.
It appears to be a lot. Romney is including seniors citizens who have paid all
their life into SS and medicare as part of the 47%. 47% of americans are not
freeloaders. That is a lie that the far right loves to perpetuate. The
majority of posters on here are able to discern that. 47% are not dependent on
government as mamy assert. And democrats are not interested in creating a
permanent underclass. That is just ridiculous. Democrats want working class
americans to earn enough to lift themselves out of poverty. I have worked since
I was 14, and yes I feel entitled to SS and medicare. Why shouldn't I. I
pay taxes. Mailed a check to the IRS this year. If not for medicare how I am
going to obtain health care when I retire. No private company will insure
senior citizens. That is why medicare was created. It is the republicans not
democrats that are instigating class warfare. Romney comments are undeniable
proof of that. Mitt is on the verge of loosing my vote.
Mitt said something stupid pandering to the far right, what is so hard admit
about that? Republicans come on here and try to justify it somehow. Is this who
Mitt really is? Does he really believe that 47% of Americans have a victim
mentality? Probably not, but his pandering caused him to say it, and now he is
paying the price for it. The majority of America rejects the far
right wing of the republican party and yet their presidential candidate must
appeal to them. The problem is Mr. Romney had to turn hard to the right to
convince the party leadership that he is really one of them and that is not who
he is. He tries to appease the Grover Nordquist crowd and ends up saying stupid
things. People are looking for a reason to vote for someone other
than the current President, and Mr. Romney can't seal the deal because he
has to continually pander to the far right. Mr. Romney's best bet is to
move away from the far right and give middle America (many of who don't pay
federal income tax) a reason to vote for him.
The majority of uneducated white voters who live on government assistance are in
the south. The southern states receive considerably more assistance than the
rest of the country. The tax flow tends to go from the Liberal city dwellers to
the Conservative country cousins. Romney seems to only be aware of who the top
10 percent of his supporters are.
To all you Romney defenders who are writing in, I'm sorry to say that no
matter how you try to spin what he said, his comments had an eliteist, out of
touch tone and they did him damage in the eyes of a lot of voters. Sadly, for
someone who is so highly educated as he is, he seems to lack good judgment.
That raises a red flag for independents like me who want the best leadership
possible in the Presidency of our nation.
Mitt may have his faults, but when compared with the opposition he shines
brightly. I haven't heard anything from him that has forced me to change my
mind about who to vote for.
I have to wonder how many liberals will still feel Obama cares after our
national debt causes a collapse of our financial system - when China and Russian
refuse to lend to us anymore - when the federal reserve can't buy anymore
of our debt - when our credit rating is down graded again and interest rates sky
rocket to Jimmy Carter like rates (20%). Seems like a long way off huh? I am
hearing more and more rumblings of perhaps 2 years or less unless we change
direction DRASTICALLY!! Our debt is at 16 trillion now. 16 trillion!!! Four
years ago it was 9 trillion and Obama called Bush unpatriotic for that amount.
Obama said Bush was putting our kids and grand kids in bondage to the bank of
China and he was right. Well - he has added 6 trillion himself to that amount
and it doesn't matter why or how - the fact is our debt is at 16 trillion
and growing fast! There won't be ANY entitlement money for anyone soon -
just like Greece and political finger pointing won't matter at that
point.... we will all be dead in the water.
The fact is that the government is OVERSPENDING and doesn't have enough to
go around. We have a few options. 1. Keep spending and make those
are recieving content2. Keep spending and have rich pay3. Keep
spending and let poor, middle class pay too4. Keep spending and take from
other program- 'rob Peter to pay Paul'5. Live within you means-
that means people will not get what they had because the barrel is empty.
I think this is a fair and balanced report of the incident. I wonder if Mr.
Romney, included enough Americans in the 47%. Did he mean to include the
Americans who get a tax break for every child in the house? I have no
offspring, get none of the great benefits that brings tax wise, yet, I pay to
educate those same children. So that is government support. Did he include the
big agriculture owners with hands out for crop support, disaster relief, of
protective tax policies? Did he include the disabled military vets? I
don't think that is who Mitt was talking about. He seemed to mean, those
Americans who are not white like him, rich like him, privileged like his family,
and educated in private schools. Obama wins by 10%
There may be a lot of emphasis on income tax--the very same records Mr. Romney
doesn't want anyone to see--but the most regressive taxes are the state and
local taxes paid by all, which the poorest pay most often and more of their
income for. Not only is this State, payroll, and gas taxes, but everyone who
lives in states--which include nearly all of them--where a sales tax is
collected--pay sales tax on nearly everything that isn't food--TP, paper
towels, cleaning stuff, shampoo, diapers, soap, laundry products, vitamins, and
in some states, food as well. So there you have it, these taxes, which keep
local and state economies going, and allow the federal government not to be
subsidizing even more of those entities than they need to be, is already being
paid by the poorest in larger percentages than the more affluent. In my state,
sales tax alone is around 8.5%, depending on your county.
Schulzke implies that David Brooks is not a Republican. I'm not sure if
this is on purpose or not, but it should be pointed out that Brooks is a
conservative and a Republican. His "Thurston Howell Romeny" piece is
right on and is a serious critique by someone that would like to see Romney both
win and effective advocate a conservative position. It appears that neither
will happen.Also, I'm not seeing the paradox referenced in the
last paragraph. Low income white voters were disparaged by both Romney (who
they tend to support) and Obama. Where is the paradox?
Did anyone listen to Romney's entire statement? This little quote has been
taken completely out of context by the MSM, and obviously by its gullible
followers. People need to wise up. The DN needs to report about real issues
facing this nation, like how destructive Obama's lack of budget, Fed Res
money printing, and excessive spending are sending America over a fiscal cliff,
or the WH failed foreign policies that allow extreme radicals to get away with
killing US embassadors in Libya, under the false guise of some offensive video.
All the tit-for-tat quibbling over what Mitt said or what he meant is disgusting
and worthless drivel. I don't care what Mitt said, or how you think you can
spin it. I know what he means and what drives him, and I clearly understand his
agenda for our country. Do you really understand Obama's agenda? Really?Furthermore, are you going to get all caught up in the diversionary
minutia, take offense at general statements, and vote for the other guy out of
spite? The truth is that you can only take offense because you choose to, and
not because Mitt's words are offensive. You choose not to understand what
he was saying, even though deep down you really do. The truth is you want
exactly what Mitt was explaining that Obama is selling, and you want it so bad
that you've blinded yourselves to the reality of the situation and the
consequences of the Obama agenda. If you truly pay attention to what each
candidate is saying, the choices have never been more clearly articulated, and
more diametrically apposed - Liberty or Dependency, Capitalism or Socialism,
Strength or Weakness, Boldness or Appeasement.
Unfortunately this may be the nail in Mitt Romney's 'Presidential
Bid' coffin. Food, water, shelter and basic healthcare is something that
all human beings should expect. And if society/employment can't provide
the means for people to get them, we end up a lawless society. Further,
Mitt's wife has M.S., and I find it short-sighted for him not to remember
that people with disabilities need some help. It shouldn't be that hard for
Mitt to take what he has learned from his wife, and apply that to people that
dont have another source of income like a spouse, or family, to make ends meet.
We do need labor laws in place that allow disabled people to work. And, as a
member of his church, with a disability, I am disappointed that, for a brief
moment, Mitt apparently forgot some important lessons he should have already
learned in life. I will vote for him, because his is the better man. But I am
concerned that his poor choices in words are more than ineloquent. We care for
the poor, even those that are shouldn't be on welfare, so that they can
Romney is right, whether you make the breakdown for those who are Social
Security, etc. There are far too many of us that are on the dependency roster
of the the United States goverment. It isn't called "Uncle Sugar
Daddy" without reason. And one thing is certain we are in a "feed me!
fix me!" mode these day with the addition of the, "You owe me"
syndrome close at hand.My view of the Senator is that he is the
"Leader of the Pack" of the "Lemings on a Leash!" God help us
all if the good senator thinks the he is. Especially with the "less than
arms length transaction with the U.S.Bureau of Land Mamagement in Nevada.My experience in government service tells me that all of this stir over
what Governor Romney said is like the "elephant on your coffee table!"
everybody knows that it is there but nobody wants to talk about it!The other thing is the dissapointment felt by the "Progressives" that
there is still a majority of 53 percent of the people that the haven't
converted to total government dependency yet!