Published: Wednesday, Sept. 19 2012 7:00 a.m. MDT
Where are the verses in the KJV and the BoM that record that Jesus had a
wife?This is just more blasphemous nonsense and absurdity from yet
another worthless scrap of pseudepigrapha.
AoF 9.We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal,
and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things
pertaining to the Kingdom of God.We believe in the Gospel of Truth,
whatever it's sources. ~ Brigham YoungThe 1st century believers
had an open mind and an open heart, and recognized the truth -- The
Pharisees did not, and they did not.We should be wise, and keep our
hearts and minds open to truth, from whatever it's source....
Did Jesus have a wife, we can't really know for sure based on this, it is a
matter of interpretation. But one thing we know is that Jesus is the Christ,
the only begotten Son of God. That is what is important and what matters to us
and our eternal life.
Jesus had a wife, kids and in-laws, just like the rest of us.In reality,
is is exactly just like the rest of us.
RE: LDS Liberal The 1st century believers had an open mind and an open heart,
and recognized the truth The Pharisees did not, and they did not.Test for
the inclusion in the N.T. Canon, Was it received, collected, read and used by
the people of God. Peter acknowledged Paul’s work as Scripture parallel
to the O.T. (2 Peter 3:16). Is it authentic? (The fathers had a policy of
“if in doubt throw it out”. This enhanced the validity of their
discernment of canonical books. AofF Original,#8 We believe in the Word
of God recorded in the Bible; we also believe the Word of God recorded in the
Book of Mormon, and in all other good books.Re: Craig Clark,The
Gospel of Thomas? Disagrees with the Bible. (Logos, 114)Simon Peter said, to
them, Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life. Jesus said, I myself
shall leader her ,in order to make her male ,so that she may become a living
spirit resembling you males, for every woman who will make herself male will
enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Priests were never allowed to marry. However married men were allowed to be
priests until the people stood up and put and end to the practice because of
inheritance issues. Also family members getting special privileges. If their
spouse died they were not allowed to take a new wife. But married men could be
priests. This is similar to deacons today.Any males who have had
their bar mitzvah can read and comment on the scriptures. He taught at age 12
when separated from his parents. In the early part of the church
some gospels were written that were not inspired but full of errors. Like
someone writing today that polygamy is still okay. Some will think it's a
true thing and others won't thousands of years from now that it was okay at
this time. Why would he marry just to leave her to start his ministry? How could
he chose one woman to love when he was here to love us all? Would he have left
children fatherless? His time was short. Mary didn't have any
other children from her own issue. If you read the bible in it's original
language it's clear.
mightymite,Jesus Christ is not a myth. How other men explain Him
certainly can be as such. Your argument relies on that exact premise. The
beliefs of the LDS Church regarding Jesus Christ, his ministry, the compilation
of canonical works known as the Holy Bible, and all LDS doctrines even relating
to Jesus Christ all function and rely on the same premise.This
leaves members of the LDS Church with just as strong and logical of a claim as
yourself.I'm sure you have strong beliefs and would love to
share them, but if your sole belief is to offend, ridicule, mock, and attack the
beliefs of those who disagree with you then your belief is not even remotely in
following of what Jesus Christ taught during his ministry. I know a lot of
people who feel that they need to point out how flawed I am as a human being and
how flawed I am in my worshiping God. If "Judge not" means anything to
you at all, you ought to end such criticism and join in the celebration of our
lord and savior, not do the very thing he commanded us not to do.
Well this is interesting, what was the context? Well, we don't know the
context, we only have one short sentence.My opinion is that Jesus
was not married because he knew he was going to die young. Why would he leave a
widow and children? When he was being crucified he told John to take care of
his mother, but he didn't tell anyone to take care of his wife (in my view,
because he was not married). Earlier, when he first began preaching, the people
in Nazareth said, "He can't be a prophet. We know his mother and
father and his brothers." They could have referred to his wife and kids but
they did not. I think because there were not any.If this is that
Jesus, it could be that the wife of Jesus is the church. Jesus being married to
the church was brought up by Paul in some other places.
The idea of Jesus being married and having children fits well into his role as
an example to us of how to live our lives. His Father's command was for us
to multiply and replenish the earth and I am sure this applied to all of his
children including his most beloved Son. I think a more human Jesus is
preferable to one born of a virgin and one who lived as a celibate. Also, I
think He deserved the earthly joy of a wife and children.
Another issue that is raised by him having a wife is that, because he was the
Son of God, half-divine, he had a higher form of life in him. That meant that
he could put down his life by choice, in other words, his spirit could step out
of his body, or he could choose to stay put. For the rest of us, we can't
choose to die right now, and disease, old age or violence will end our lives
even if we want to 'stay put'. One might call this "Divine
sonship". If he had children, then we would have the issue of "Divine
Grandsonship/granddaughtership". What does that mean? If he had married
and had children, can you imagine the arguments that they would have had in the
early church about "Divine grandchildship."
From my own research;I believe that Jesus was married to Mary
Magdalene.They had children, most likely had a son.He would have
been 1/4 God, and could have also had some sort of seeds of immortality.John the Beloved sat on the right-hand of Jesus during the last passover - a
place reserved for the oldest SON.Jesus addressed John on the Cross, and
bade him to look after "his Mother" -- to whom was He refering? Mary the
Mother of Jesus, or Mary Magdalene...[i.e., John's Mother and Jesus's
wife]. After Jesus's death and resurrection, legend has it that
Joseph of Aramithea took MaryMagdalene and her children to the outskirts of the
RomanEmpire for safety [France or England].The Stone of Destiny under the
throne of the King of England was the same Stone from Jerusalem which King David
sat upon and brought to England by Jospeh of Arimathea. To this very day,
Kings and Queens of Europe keep the blood-line as pure as possible to protect
the Holy Blood -- the Sage Rael -- or Holy Grail.Thousand of English
converts to Mormonism due to their believing blood.My thoughts...
As mentioned in other postings, there has been speculation by many scholars of
scripture that Jesus Christ of Nazareth was married. It is not discussed widely
because it can become a subject of contention and distraction. None of us can
say for certain he that was or was not married, and it should not cause our
faith to waver or solidify. However, I personally think he was married because
he was the perfect example, and families help perfect us. I wouldn't want
to cause distress to those who don't believe he was married, but it makes
sense to me, and I think it is fascinating that we have something to support the
possibility that he had a wife.
KPriests were allowed to marry up until about the fourth century.
The practice continued (with some ignoring the canons) until the twelfth
century."Why would he marry just to leave her to start his
ministry?" Because he could see her whenever he returned home."How could he choose one woman to love when he was here to love us
all?" Loving a wife would not preclude his loving us."Would
he have left children fatherless?" If he had any. Good folks today
sometimes elect to have children knowing they have a terminal illness."Mary didn't have any other children from her own issue." Many
biblical scholars agree that Jesus had brothers. James the Just being widely
accepted as one. Yes, some would like to interpret this as cousin (and do) but
MANY non-LDS scholars believe he was a half brother to the Lord.
Or it could just be that Christ is referring to his "bride," the church.
What is wrong if Jesus were married? What would denying himself that happiness
have accomplished? I hope he was married and had a good measure of happiness in
his short life.
@jttheawesome;I suspect that most of the bible falls into the same
category as the gospels of Mary and Thomas.Fables, fantasies and
fictions. Sure, they're meant to tell a good story and even carry certain
"moral" values; but they're nothing more than that. Stories.
@ A voice of Reason, The LDS Church with just as strong and logical of a claim?
The “pale” of Christianity believes the birth of Jesus was a
unique miracle by the Holy Spirit/Ghost, same Greek word(Pneuma)”They tell us that the BoM states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy
Ghost. I challenge that statement. The BoM teaches No Such Thing! Neither
does the Bible!”( Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation." (Jesus)…born of Mary at Jersusalem … who shall be
overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost(Spirit) and bring forth
a son yea, even the Son of God. ( Alma 7:10). The Holy Ghost shall come
upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also
that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.(Luke
1:35 KJV) RE: Twin Lights,You agree with the Mormon
Apostle,Jedediah M Grant, "A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives
caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might think of them as
Mormons." Jed M Grant. (JoD v 1. P.345.)
Why is it that people can not love Jesus for what he was, a living ,functioning
human being. Jesus if real then he was a human being, a man, he lived like all
men do, he ate, he had body functions, he sweat, he bathed, he went to the
bathroom, he had natural desires. Rabies were married men, other wise who was
going to listen in public to a single Rabbi on how to deal with wife and family.
Jesus taught followers to follow his example because he lived all the good of
life, and life for man with out women is incomplete. Jesus would have to have
been complete enough to embrace the love of a wife.
RE: jttheawesomeYour statements about the Bible are, forgive me,
spurious. The Gospel of Thomas was written long before 400AD. Some scholars date
it as early as 50AD, before any of the canonical gospels, while most place it
somewhere between 80AD and 130AD. Also, the fact that it is simply a collection
of “the sayings of Jesus” and not a narrative leads many scholars to
believe it may have been used as a source for some of the gospels… like
the yet to be found Q source. Further, none of the gospels were
written by the apostles or their direct disciples, unless you count Luke written
by a physician associate of Paul (who was not one of the 12 disciples). They
were anonymous with the names Mark, Matthew, Luke & John being added after
the fact. Sounds like you went to a college that was in the business of teaching
faith, namely the orthodox faith that won the day in the early and highly
diversified church. But don’t confuse what you were taught with actual
I'm astounded at how many of you "devout" members of the Church
have no idea what Church doctrine really teaches.
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