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Published: Monday, Sept. 17 2012 3:30 p.m. MDT

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BYU Track Star
Los Angeles, CA

This article is incomplete as it doesn't indicate what was further said in the dialog between the putative rock star Flowers and the noted atheist Dawkins. Who appeared to win the verbal exchange? I would suppose Dawkins at best "agreed-to-disagree" with Flowers. But I would also assume Dawkins had the edge in this ambush religious debate The only thing I can conclude was that Flowers didn't like Joseph Smith being characterized as a "charlatan".

BYU Track Star
Los Angeles, CA

The debate or at least a synopsis of the this debate is on the Internet. Dawkins thought he'd be discussing belief vs Non-belief not with a lamb but someone with gravitas and Dawkins apologized. If this TV show could have a "do-over" I'd have the Norway Mission president talk with Dawkins on this program. Oh well, c'est la vie.

Yorkshire
City, Ut

Good for you, Brandon.
Way to stand up, in the face of an assault by Dawkins. Boy, thats playing in the Big Time of anti-Christs.
Many much more experienced than you at attacks by the likes of him would surely have winced.
But you held your own.
We salute you!

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Pretty immature behavior for such a learned man. He readily accepts his own colleagues in the field of science who are religious, and says it's not for him, yet denigrates anyone without vast knowledge of the sciences. I love learning about physical and biological sciences, and think that Darwinian theory is the best tool we have right now to learn from, to continue to study, and to explain many phenomena that were unexplainable a hundred years ago, yet I still consider myself religious and spiritual, and see no conflict. Shame on someone for hiding behind degrees to openly attack another's beliefs and opinions, but kudos to Flowers for still being a gracious listener, and still willing to talk to someone that openly disrespectful to him.

blackman
ozark, AL

Brandon did a great job against the charlatan Dawkins. If Mr. Dawkins was to study the Book of Mormon as much as he says we need to study science more, perhaps he would view the Book of Mormon as we do in the church. Even his statement on how the book was written defeats his own argument about it not being true. Mr.Dawkins is the charlatan because he is trying to be an expert on religion which he is not. He should stick to science which continues to change as we learn more about science. Maybe Mr.Dawkins has seen some of the scientific facts he knew at the age of 15 change from what he knows today. Science seems to be the subject which changes more due to our lack of understanding. As the apostles have stated,the Book of Mormon has stood through the test of man and time.

liberate
Sandy, UT

This was basically an ambush by Dawkins of Flowers, somebody who is woefully prepared to debate the existence of God against a noted atheist. I give Flowers credit for holding is ground but it would be much more interesting to see this debate between Dawkins and Holland for example, rather than a 30 year old rock star. Only then would it be a fair fight.

Max
Charlotte, NC

What a dirty trick to ambush him on TV like that. He thought he was there to talk about his music and then they bring in a guy who is all prepared to attach his religion. What a surprise it must have been for him. It was a deliberate set up. One side is highly prepared and the other thinks he is there to talk about something entirely different. Disgraceful.

Aggielove
Cache county, USA

What if this singer was catholic, or Jewish?
Think about it.
This Dawkins is just scared of being a stand up guy.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

"And still it stands."

-- Not really. Fiction is fiction, no matter how much you might believe otherwise.

timpClimber
Provo, UT

I've seen Dawkins ambush others he disagrees with and I've had other atheists attack me. In response I just ask them what science text I should use to show me how to treat my family, take care of the poor and needy, what happens to me after death, how should humans solve problems, etc. You understand my approach. I have yet to have an atheist suggest any such science book. So I ask where do you find satisfying answers to these questions. They recommend philosophy and ethics texts and I counter exactly, my scriptures are my texts that guide my behavior and they have been proven to work far longer than your sources. Science by its very nature cannot answer the deep questions of the soul but it can enlarge our understanding of our world.

Central Texan
Buda, TX

RanchHand, whether the Book of Mormon is a work of fiction or not, the book certainly does still stand today. So from your standpoint, that the Book of Mormon is fiction, you must be in amazement that the book was so cleverly constructed as to withstand decades and decades of assault -- and that still an ever-growing number of people around the globe are willing to stand by it.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

"And still it stands"

The works of L. Ron Hubbard also "still stand". Does that make them true?

The works of Shakespeare "still stand". That does not make them true.

The Qu'ran "still stands", but are Mormons ready to confess it is "true" and become Muslims?

The Epic of Gilgamesh "still stands"...

The Rigveda "still stands"...

The Avesta "still stands"...

The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh "still stands"...

and FAR more followers believe in these texts than in the Book of Mormon...shall we continue?

Kjallbee
Orem, UT

Dawkins tells us nothing about the Book of Mormon, nor of Joseph Smith. He does, however, reveal a great deal about himself. Likewise for all of his ilk, who's pride and ignorance are so painfully obvious to all, but themselves.

Ten Send
Orem, UT

@ RanchHand and @ A Scientist
Its a shame ignorance plagues those who find it necessary to belittle and attack others beliefs. With that said, i do not claim to know everything, especially about others beliefs and frankly i DO NOT care. Believe what you want. As long as you live an honest life and try to be a good person, then you are in the right.
BUT, to say someone is Wrong in anything, (Even if you don't actually say it in those words, but hint towards it) If that thing is not inherently bad or detrimental, either means you do not know how to show respect, or you are immature. And quite frankly shows YOU are in the wrong.

What you said is not merely a "comment" or the start of a "discussion" and don't try to pass it as such.
And unfortunately other comments on this page are not much better than Yours.

Dawkins, who has made it his life t0 prove to others they are Wrong, is Himself, Wrong. Shame on him and anyone who does that.
Flowers on the other hand, Good For him. I hold him in high regards.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

I saw this one on-line. It was an ambush. Dawkins was smug and snotty, like he always is. He is all about science. I would have asked him to prove to me, using science, what salt tasts like.

Personally, I could care less what his opinion is. He thinks his opinion is the only one that counts. Flowers did seem a little shell shocked because it was an ambush.

I do agree that science doesn't cover law, human personality, good and evil, morality, etc.

A Scientist, yes those stand but those books/epics don't contain that much truth.

drbarbiedpm
GRAHAM, WA

Great job, Brandon! I'm glad to see that you stood tall and defended truth. What a great role model for kids to look up to.

jane
Hereford, AZ

Golly, gee, how come the Mormons aren't rioting in the streets over this! How dare someone publicly disagree with our beliefs or denigrate Joseph Smith!

Stay the Course
Salt Lake City, utah

It's ok Moroni told Joseph Smith there would be days like this when he told Joseph about the plates 180 plus years ago

Church member
North Salt Lake, UT

@ Ten Send

When I was on my mission I told dozens of people everyday that I thought their church (beliefs) were wrong and that I belonged to the one and only true church on the face of the earth. So when you get frustrated when people tell you that they believe your beliefs to be wrong just remember that we also do that :)

SoCalChris
Riverside, CA

Brandon Flowers handled himself beautifully. Very impressed.

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