Comments about ‘As Mitt Romney ratchets up religious rhetoric, Paul Ryan gets it wrong’

@CI

"or maybe merely passive/aggressiveban"

pot let me introduce you to kettle.

religious rhetoric.

When the repub base investigates romney's religion and realizes romney's church is the only true church, the christian/evangelical part of the repub base, will indeed become energized.

@terry

real clear politics, which calculates the average of all major polls, including Rasmussen, shows Obama up in 10 major polls and Romney up in one...the one that you chose to cite as your only reference.

they use the same method to calculate the current electoral count which currently stands at 332 to 206 in favor of Obama.

no one knows for sure what will happen in November for sure but selecting out the one poll that agrees with you to try to claim an upper hand is a rather weak argument. .

Whether or not romneys' god talkin' is working, it is making one thing abundantly clear. There is a religious test for the office. It also mocks the ideas that this is a free republic, and pins our government on a philosophy which has a good chance of being partially or entirely fabricated.

Nice to meet you Phranc

Blue is 100% correct. The GOP has wondered further & further away from reality. If repubs ever want to have an influence again they need to get back to the mainstream.
Romney & Ryan are so far out of touch with reality simply because the GOP has become crazy.

@Fitness Freak

You are encouraging the readers to "do your homework" ???

Why is it that everytime I hear Obama speak, it seems as though he would prefer the listener to NOT do their homework, rather to simply to like him, to believe him, to accept him, to relinquish their vote to him?

I have done my homework, watching very closely both candidates, one over the past 3 1/2 years, the other over the past 10 years. Biased media microscopes and double standards aside, the choice is a simple one for me.

@CI

I remember a time when you actually at least pretended to attempted to engage in a civil and honest dialogue.

@There You Go Again

"When the repub base investigates romney's religion and realizes romney's church is the only true church, the christian/evangelical part of the repub base, will indeed become energized."

And here comes the arrogance that will lose the election for Romney. And it comes right behind the apparent bigotry against Muslims in office. Hmmm ...

I got a good laugh out of this quote from the guy from the bronx "For those of you who complaining about the president' religiosity or apparent lack thereof, I have it on pretty good authority that while Jesus walked this earth, he himself never *once* set foot inside a church on Sunday."

Were you serious? Or was that meant as a joke? When Jesus walked the earth there were not any churches, just synagogues...and the Sabbath was on Saturday, not Sunday.

I also wonder if the first comment asking about if Obama was a Christian was from a Republican supporter or just a liberal troll who just wanted to stir up the pot.

I don't have time to read all the comments, but a brief survey reveals they are the same old crazy nonsense. This article, on the other hand, is a surprisingly objective piece from the DNews. Amazing, in fact, that it has managed to navigate the censors.

@Fitness Freak
"Do you REALLY expect an NBC paid for "poll" (I use the term loosely)to ever show Mitt Romney winning?"

NBC polls are jointly run with the hardly liberal Wall Street Journal and Marist. Fox News polls have Obama ahead and I consider both to be valid polls (these polls tend to be run by other groups like Marist and Robbins & Shaw).

Nate Silver's analysis accounts for a models' history of bias (and overall error so one takes care of precision, the other accuracy) which is why I use his model the most. For the record, Silver's "house effects" (bias factors for polls, as of June of this year) are:
Pew D+3.2 (i.e. overestimates Democrats by 3.2 on average)
PPP D+3.1
Ipsos D+2.9
SurveyUSA D+2.4
Marist/NBC D+1.9
YouGov D+0.8
CNN/Opinion Research D+0.4
Rasmussen Reports R+1.3
Washington Post/ABC News R+1.4
Fox News (Robbins & Shaw) R+1.5
Quinnipiac R+1.7
Gallup R+2.5

@NT
Uh, your ticket seems to never want to give details. What tax loopholes will they close? Silence. What would you replace Obamacare with? Vague ideas. They want people to just accept that yeah, they will totally get deficit spending in line but if you study it they want no more revenue than we currently take in, they want more defense spending, and they say they want to protect entitlements. There's gotta be something big that they're cutting, otherwise their deficit reduction is minimal. Bill Clinton noted it, they want to reduce Medicaid spending by a third based on what the Ryan budget details. Then again the Ryan budget thinks that eventually all non-discretionary spending (military and non-entitlement stuff) will be 3.8% of GDP while Romney has promised to never let defense get below 4% so I've done my homework and I'm not buying their math.

@There You Go Again

"When the repub base investigates romney's religion and realizes romney's church is the only true church, the christian/evangelical part of the repub base, will indeed become energized."

As an Obama supporter, I'd be happy if you tried that tactic.

I suspect this is entirely based on the controversy at the Democratic Convention over removing, then returning, "God" to the Democratic platform. That was not a good public relations moment for the Democratic party, to see and hear thousands of angry Democrats shouting "No" when a motion was made to restore a reference to God in the party platform.

Romney isn't accusing Obama personally of anything. He's simply saying: "The Democrats didn't want God in their party's constitution --- I won't leave God out of my heart."

And I think that's probably a good move on Romney's part. The majority of people in this country still believe in God. They didn't like the spectacle of Democrats shouting in anger against Him. Many will appreciate that Romney affirms God's relevance in the governance of this nation.

"State legislators can, of course, pass school prayer laws if they want, but it’s a waste of time. If a law mandates or compels young people to take part in prayer or religious worship, the courts will strike it down."

Once again the opposition completely taking things out of context. Nobody is talking about State's forcing children to pray in school. The question was "whether he supported giving states the right to allow 'prayer or pledge' in schools." Allow is a very different word than mandate.

This just seems like a very weak attempt to try and paint Romney and Ryan as disingenuous when it comes to religion. Ryan didn't get anything wrong, and even if he did I'm not seeing how it relates at all to Romney talking about God more.

@Blue, et al.

In response to USAlover

"That comment is exactly why Romney is losing - it truly does represent the "base" of today's GOP, and a growing number of Americans view this "base" with alarm and dismay.

Why do you guys respond to trolls? USAlover doesn't represent a majority view in the base of the GOP and your saying so is almost as bad as the original comment you responded to.

The base of the GOP is largely the Tea Party. That's the same group that has been called racist and extremist and also was the prime mover in the GOP winning 63 house seats last election. So it is either one way or it's the other: Either the GOP base Tea Party IS extremist and pushing people away, or they are attracting Americans who don't buy the liberal hype. Why would so many Americans choose to make that drastic a change last election? You are badly misreading the GOP base (not racist) and the mood of the nation (desperate for leadership.) Obama is going to lose big.

If religion was important for the role of POTUS I would have to ask. What religion? Christian? O.K. what sect? Would any religion do? Budhist, Muslim, Hindu, Taoism, which one? or any?
Some critics say that atheism is a religion. Therefore and atheist would be O.K. too.

I am just talking non-sense as those who claim religion is important in the role of POTUS.

Actually the best President of this country is the one who can divorce his religious principles and send young men and women to war to protect selfish material interest as oil, copper,etc. or a military strategic position.

Have we ever had a real Christian in the White House? Please name one, just one true Christian. Somebody who did as Christ would have done. An intelectual challenge for any who believe this myth.

At least we now know which side has decided to make religion an issue in the campaign and it ain't the Democrats. What an ironic twist.

This is another example of the Deseret News being a shill for the Democratic Party. The whole story is again misleading and attempts to paint the Romney/Ryan campaign as extreme and ill-informed. Even the so-called expert opinions are ones from the far left. Very little fair and objective reporting in this article.

>>>He cites the landmark 1962 Supreme Court case that banned government sponsored prayer in public schools and is often cited as the opening salvo in the ongoing culture wars.

I suggest he look up Engel v. Vitale and actually read the opinion. It did not ban government sponsored prayer. It banned states from composing a prayer, as New York did, and then mandating that the school day be opened with it. It was the composing of the prayer by the state government--which the court decided was religious activity by government--that crossed the line, not prayer itself or prayer in school, at least in that opinion.