Comments about ‘Utah's new online gun permit renewal attacked, defended’

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Published: Sunday, Sept. 16 2012 5:05 p.m. MDT

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one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Everyone needs a gun?

On the other hand
Spanish Fork, UT

Why is Utah in the business of giving residents of other states permits to carry concealed weapons? How does that advance Utah's interests?

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT
Everyone needs a gun?

No. Only the law-abiding citizens do. Especially since the criminal element couldn't care less about any laws, permits, registration, etc.

not here
COLORADO SPRINGS, CO

@ hand:

Because it is a cash cow, and it is way easyer to get one in Utah than in any other State.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Whats the big deal about on-line renewal. I fully support it.

If one wants to question something it would be this

"just because the state does not require shooting as part of the concealed carry training doesn't mean people aren't getting it. Many instructors, he said, include live shooting in their classes."

How is the actual shooting of a gun not a requirement?

That is staggering.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Live fire is not a requirement for several reasons:

a. The potential for bureaucrats to impose ridiculous standards to prevent people from getting a permit.

b. In 90% of cases where a legally possessed firearm is used to stop a criminal act, NO SHOTS ARE FIRED.

c. Most self defense shootings occur at ranges of 7 yards or less.

d. No one would argue against the desirability for permit holders to practice to gain/maintain proficiency, but not everyone has access to ranges to do that.

e. Fundamental human rights like self defense must not be subject to arbitrary restrictions. Would you support grammar and spelling tests for a "journalist" license, or some sort of Bible quiz before someone can be a Rabbi, Bishop or Pastor?

At least four states currently do NOT require ANY sort of permit or training for law abiding citizens to legally carry self defense weapons. There is no evidence that this has created more dangerous situations than among states which do not have permits at all, or states with permits and strong or weak qualifications.

Quit hassling the law abiding folks and go prosecute criminals who are illegally carrying guns and committing crimes.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Whats wrong lefties......why are you so up in arms over a few gun permits when you support Iran nukes?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

DN

You make some good points and some not so good ones.

"No one would argue against the desirability for permit holders to practice to gain/maintain proficiency"

Maintain proficiency is one thing. Gaining proficiency should be mandatory.
You really think spelling and carrying a gun are in the same league? (and do journalists even need licenses?)

Do you support drivers licenses without hands on experience? What is the difference?

"Fundamental human rights like self defense must not be subject to arbitrary restrictions."

Do you consider a CCP requirement an "arbitrary restriction?
Should a law abiding citizen be allowed to carry into a bar?
How about a courtroom? Should I have the right to ban them from my business? Church? School?

Do you support any restrictions, license or training?

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Do you consider a CCP requirement an "arbitrary restriction?"

Of course it's an arbitrary requirement. It adds nothing to safety or security. It's designed purely to introduce a regulatory hassle into the process, in a vain attempt to mollify liberals.

Since the system doesn't even pay for itself, and since liberals refuse to be mollified by anything we do anyway, the requirement should be done away.

ImaCaMan
Oceanside, CA

Re: Truth
Why don't you try seeking the truth before spouting off. You sound just like Willard. I'm a "Lefty", own five handguns and a shotgun and have a Utah concealed weapon permit and think online registration is a good idea.

snowman
Provo, UT

DN Subscriber: There are ranges everywhere where people can go practice. There are at least 8 in the county where I live

owlmaster2
Kaysville, UT

Utah has no business "selling" concealed carry permits in other states.
It's illegal to buy liquor in other states and bring into Utah but Utah can sell killing licensees through out the United States? In Utah, money is a priority to safety.
Our legislators should wear NASCAR type clothing so we know what corporations they represent.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"but Utah can sell killing licensees"
A bit over the top, ya think?

"why are you so up in arms over a few gun permits when you support Iran nukes?"
Over the top again?

How about we stick to a reasonable and logical discussion of the related issues.
On both sides.

Procur - Utah is the reddest of the red states. I highly doubt that you can pin all of the many gun laws in Utah on "liberals".

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: one vote Salt Lake City, UT
"Everyone needs a gun?"

No, and everyone isn't eligible to possess one. For those who currently posses a concealed carry permit online renewals make perfect sense. For those who qualify you can renew your driver's license online, and driving isn't even a right protected by the US Constitution.

Thank heaves for the two recent US Supreme Court rulings that upheld individual American's right to own and bear firearms. (Note to the anti-gun crowd: One of those two rulings held that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to states and their militias.)

Beverly
Eden, UT

On-line Concealed Weapon's permits, full support of the Tea Party, strong commitment to the death penalty, wanting all immigrants sent home, Utah is building quite a reputation for decisions based on fear. It was only a few years ago we gave up the firing squad. Do you think the rest of America thinks like this? Fear is driving Utah into the dark ages. Most guns are used against family members. Two small children have accidently shot themselves with the "readily available" guns in Utah homes in the past month. Our collective fear is driving decisions based on nonsense.

Tequila
Salt Lake City, UT

Would someone show me where the authority comes from "constitutionally" that gives the state
authority to control the peoples right to have, carry and control weapons in the first place.
It sure doesn't come from the constitution which is the law of the land and has never been changed other than by so called interpretation by by liberal (another word for socialist)
judges.

LVIS
Salt Lake City, UT

owlmaster2
Kaysville, UT
Utah has no business "selling" concealed carry permits in other states.
It's illegal to buy liquor in other states and bring into Utah but Utah can sell killing licensees through out the United States? In Utah, money is a priority to safety.
Our legislators should wear NASCAR type clothing so we know what corporations they represent.

First--there are many states that "sell" CCP's in other states (Nevada and Arizona, among others). In fact, you can get a CCP from Arizona on-line (I'm not talking about a renewal, this is the initial issue). "Killing Licensees (sp)"?
Wow. Hyperbole is the best thing ever, don't ya think? Any idea what percent of CCP holders commit "murder" vs non-CCP holders?

And Beverly--are talking about Utah, or Arizona? BTW--"readily available" guns is not really germane to the subject of CCP issue or renewal. And as far as the rest of America thinking like this" Yeah, pretty much.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

I just mailed my renewal in last Friday. I wish I'd known about the online option before that.

MajMarine
Salt Lake City, UT

"Two small children have accidently shot themselves with the "readily available" guns in Utah homes in the past month."

Beverly--the most recent incident involved the child of a police officer. How would you address that?

Owlmaster2--when you refer to "killing licenses", are you talking about concealed carry permits, or drivers licenses? More people are killed by licensed drivers than by concealed carry holders.

Aggielove
Cache county, USA

Utah.
The last place the Feds want to go, to take away the guns.

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