I can personally pinpoint what lead to my decision not to get a fishing license
in Utah. There are a lot of good waters to fish along the Wasatch, but I
don't enjoy fishing in a crowd. I was able to find the fishing solitude I
was looking for fishing weekdays. A few years ago, the laws changed relating to
stream access on private lands. With the change in the law, I could no longer
stand in the water on these properties.I threw in the towel. Now I
needed a plat map to determine property line boundaries. Getting into and out
of the water to go around was not a hassle I wanted in my fishing experience.
In the back of my mind, I would continually have to worry I had entered the
water in a public area and inadvertently crossed a private boundary as I was
wading upstream. It was just too much and no longer worth paying for a license.
This may have had some impact on fishing licenses here in Utah. I know it
reduced the count by at least one.
I don't think the state of Utah ought to be encouraging people to hunt.
That is appalling. Let it die out.
I tryed to teach my Boys the way I was taught, but the draw came about, even
though we were promised a hunt every 3 years at times it was 5 yrs before we
drew out. We used to be able to hunt anywhere in the state and we had two week
ends, I would hunt after school or work, If I had business up state I would take
an extra day and do little hunting expeditions going up and back. Then the hunt
time shortend and the areas you could hunt in got smaller, I have not lost
interest I have great memories. Now with the application fee each year I just
dont see it worth trying anymore in Utah. It has gotten almost impossible to
find places you can even go target practicing any more without going and paying
at a shooting range because all the lands are now off limits. I have friends
that have stoped trying and gone to other states for their hunts. And where out
of state applications get higher priority than in state (for the money)Utah is
looseing the in state interest of keeping up teaching the younger generation
I love to fish. The rules are so complex at Strawberry I avoid it. I agree
with many of the posts on here. To many rules, can't use this, can't
fish here because it is private property. Remember when someone had to file a
lawsuit to fish from the banks of a public river. The courts ruled in their
favor and the legislature passed a law to overturn it. I can remember when the
deer hunt was a big event in Utah. Not anymore. Utah is a state controlled by
right wing republicans who cater to the whims of wealthy landowners. Everyone
else can take a hike.
Spaghedeity"Now that hunting isn't something required for
survival it is no surprise fewer are participating in the activity. The only
reason to hunt in this day and age is purely for the fun of it." There
is a skill to hunting, I love venison, fresh liver and onions ect. That you
can't match or get in the store. I remember a few years ago people asking
why garden? you can get it in the store cheeper! now with all the concerns of
the tainted food supply more people are trying to learn how to garden again,
those that kept up the skill all along has reaped a great benefit, health wise
and are further along with harvest of food. The same goes for the hunting skill
some day we may need it for survival and the skills will not be there. At age 8
I was taught to carry a bb gun,for half a day of opening, age 10 a pellet gun,
age 12 a 22 with a small game licence. At 8 on I was held to the same standards
and accountablity in handling a gun as my older borthers carring high powered
Why on earth would they go out in the fresh air and beautiful surroundings and
enjoy nature and commune with God?Don't you know there's
an APP for that?
@LDS Liberal"I I suspect the next step will be to start charging
people by making them purchase a "viewing" license or ticket like they
do in National Parks."They already do that, when was the last
time you tried to drive up American Fork Canyon? That has been a "fee
area" for about 15 years or so. Technically you don't have to pay it,
if you tell the toll takers at the mouth of the canyon that you are just driving
through they cannot charge you. But when you do that they will get indignant,
like you're trying to rip off the government, and tell you that if you stop
for any reason whatsoever while driving through, that you will be ticketed and
prosecuted.As far as your take on President Kimball and hunting is
concerned, well his comments have been distorted for a long time. It seems
perhaps you have been either taken in by the distortions or else one of those
I remember in high school having the deer hunt holiday. This was in the late
1970's. Everyone hunted so the school district just made a holiday. I think
they called it the harvest holiday but the harvest was for venison. Now nobody
hunts it seems. Family traditions that go back generations are gone. Very sad.
Most kids never actually shot anything but being with dad, uncles, brothers,
cousins etc... in this beautiful time of year around the camp fire was
priceless. Today - I even see many kids who are cluess about the outdoors
period. The great outdoors has been replaced by the internet and the iPhone.
The DWR, the RAC, and the Legislature have alienated all hunters with their
regulations, poor management, lack of deer, and resource officers who would
rather write a ticket than use common sense. And then they wonder why the hunter
numbers are down. People are fed up. They would rather go to neighboring states
then put up with Utah's DWR nonsense.
SALT LAKE CITY — Despite having millions of acres of outdoor playgrounds,
fewer than half of Utahns ages 16 and older get out to fish, hunt or view
wildlife.Those findings, part of a new survey released this week by
the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, underscore what Utah wildlife officials
see as an alarming trend they want to reverse."Over time we have
been seeing decreases in the number of people who fish or hunt or are
participating in wildlife viewing," said Dean Mitchell, conservation
outreach chief for the state Division of Wildlife Resources. "That is a
concern."============= How do they tally up those of
us you are just "viewing"?My thinks this is some sort of
sour grapes about lost revenues, I I suspect the next step will be to
start charging people by making them purchase a "viewing" license or
ticket like they do in National ParksI don't suppose those of
us young one's who grew up after listening to President Kimball's talk
about hunting had anything to do with it.
Too many rules. Too high of penalties if you accidentally break one.
When we are too busy to get into the beautiful outdoors that surround us, we are
entirely too busy!
I quit hunting and rarely go fishing any more due to the laws. 4 fish total?
Stupid. Last time I went to Strawberry I caught over 20 fish. I had to throw
back all the Cuts because they weren't big enough, and kept two Kokanee and
two Rainbows. Hardly fun to drive for two hours and be able to keep 4 fish.Hunting? I haven't even tried for the draw. There are so many
closed areas and limited entry areas that it is a pain to even try to go deer
hunting. The draw is stupid also.If less people are hunting and
fishing, the State of Utah government has only themselfs and their stupid rules
never hunted, seldom fish - but I do camp and hikeI still don't want
the state to take over federal lands, which they are clearly NOT qualified to
manage, merely so real estate agents in the legislature can ruin that land with
ticky-tacky development and billboards (erected by wealthy billboard owners who
donate thousands of dollars each year to individual legislators)
Not surprising! When I was young we spent our summers fishing at Strawberry
reservoir. The lake was full of large, feisty rainbow trout. Then the DWR
started regulating every little move you could make. They have done the same
thing with Walleye fishing on Utah lake. They want you to feel guilty about
harvesting a fish. They have taken the fun out of fishing. I remember one of
the last times I went they had set up a road block on the way out of Strawberry
and every vehicle was being searched for illegal fish. We waited in line for
over an hour only to have an arrogant officer treat us like criminals while they
searched our vehicle and boat. I now have a family (5 children) who were not
raised going fishing or hunting (children need to be able to catch fish in order
to have any fun). The few times we have gone fishing now we go out of state to
Idaho where they have some beautiful Rainbow trout to catch and they don't
mind if you catch and keep a fish. The Utah Division of Wildlife Resources has
been successful at breaking the tradition.
Things have changed, for many reasons. When I was in high school in the early
80's we actually got out of school for the deer hunt, it was an actual
school holiday. 1 million people lived in Utah then and 600,000 of us hunted,
most of the state. There are now around 3 million people in Utah and only around
80,000 deer tags given out, and the areas we can hunt are very limited because
the state has been divided into micro units. We went from 60% of the state to
about 3% of the state with tags.While not passing judgement on this
management policy, although I don't like it, it has undoubtedly been one of
the major factors in the decline of participants. I used to hunt every year, and
seldom shot a deer, but now hunt deer only sporadically because of the limits on
tags. I'm sorry my sons and daughters will never have the experiences I had
on any sort of consistent basis.
I will tell you you why people have quit hunting and fishing. There are so many
laws and regulations now that I am afraid of going out and doing something
illegal that I am not aware of. I have a friend that was fishing a lake that
was artificial lures only, so he shows up and is getting his pole ready with a
spinner and a dwr officer shows up and gives him a ticket for having powerbait
in his box. He was not using it he merely had it in his box. I guess he
didn't know he needed to empty his tackle box before fishing this lake.
What a joke the DWR is. It is all about money.
I don't get it. The cost of a couple of bucks for permits is the problem
where as the cost of guns and ammo isn't? Give me a break. A buddy of
mine owns a gun shop and tells me of how much people spend on this stuff. And
that isn't even the "required" ATVs and all that... the truck...
camping gear. Hunting has come a long way from a bunch of guys heading out to
the woods and doing some shooting.But lets blame the government once
again. When I was a kid, we would walk up Farmington Canyon and go
shooting. The area we used to go is now all homes. That option just
doesn't exist any more for many kids. For my kids, they do other stuff...
and no... its not video games. The play sports. One goes paint balling often.
Utah is becoming more urbanized compared to Idaho, Montana and the like...
which accounts to more of it rather than fishing license fees. I
know it is easier to blame the government, but it isn't always at fault....
I did not grow up hunting, but lately I've really wanted to give it a try.
The idea of pitting my wits and skill against the wilderness for survival has a
genuine appeal for me. There are just a couple of things that keep my from
trying to do it.For one, since I didn't grow up doing it, I
don't have the guns etc. to go. The cost of getting myself outfitted is
just too high. Even with all the camping gear that I do have (I love
backpacking, etc.) I'd be looking at thousands of dollars to get myself
geared up to hunt.The second drawback is experience. If I'm
going to spend all that money, I'd want to have some level of success in
hunting. I don't think I have the knowledge to make it work. It would be
nice if there were some kind of mentoring program that would team a guy like me
up with someone who was willing and patient enough to really teach some skills.
Then maybe the investment would be worth it. As it is...I can buy a lot of meat
for my $.
The problem has a number of causes: 1) popularity of indoor recreation
(video games, etc.) (blame: parents)2) the poor management by the DWR
(blame: DWR, legislators)3) rising costs associated with licenses, taxes,
fees, equipment, fuel, etc. (blame: DWR, legislators, regulations,
environmentalists)4) falling incomes and increasing expense (health care,
fuel, etc.) require people to spend more time working to make ends meet, and
takes time, money and other resources away from (blame: legislators,
regulations, environmentalists, progressive governmental policies, etc.)5)
change in use of outdoor recreational resources toward less consumptive
activities, such as rock-climbing, hiking, etc. (blame: the reduction in hunting
and fishing can be directly attributed to DWR policies, I no longer hunt big
game and rarely fish because of the more complex and expensive policies and
procedures)In short: With the new, more complicated licensing rules,
over-regulation, over-pricing, lotteries, etc., the Utah DWR is shooting
themselves in the foot and making it harder for hunters and fishers to get out
and enjoy what Utah has to offer.
Now that hunting isn't something required for survival it is no surprise
fewer are participating in the activity. The only reason to hunt in this day
and age is purely for the fun of it. Fortunately, the younger generations are
beginning to see that there isn't much difference between the
psychologically disturbed kid who kills neighborhood cats for fun or the grown
man who gets pleasure out of putting a bullet into something as beautiful and
innocent as a deer.Personally, I find it a heartening trend to see
that we are able to look beyond our basest desires and accept that inflicting
unnecessary pain on an innocent life is more vice than virtue.
As an old timer, avid hunter and fisherman, I seldom come to Utah anymore. Look
at the cost now for non-residents (used to be a resident), it's outrageous
for what you get in return. There is still excellent experiences to be had but
for the money and experience I will go to Idaho, Montana or Oregon or even stay
in Nevada. Utah has priced themselves out of the non-resident market.With
the kids nowadays a wii or video game is to easy compared to learning what a
real adventure is (probably a lot of parents are at fault because of the amount
of work and effort it takes go on much of an outing now). Don't see it
changing much for the better but at least I"m still doing my part, making
sure the grand kids have as many adventures as this ole grandpa can afford!
RE: SAS "All we need to do is privatize the land, and then people
won't have to deal with all these stupid fees and regulations!" But we
WILL have to pay the private land owners to hunt and fish (through the nose).
I am a small stream wild trout (though I will take rainbow plants if I have to)
fisherman. Utah does absolutely nothing to support my sport, including
supporting private interests in blocking national forest access. I don't
think I should have to buy a license to fish.
Everyone knows that this decline is the fault of the federal government and the
enviro-whackos who want to lock people out of the public lands. But our state
legislators know what to do. All we need to do is privatize the land, and then
people won't have to deal with all these stupid fees and regulations!
Similar trends are probably common in all states.The 16-25 year old
crowd (or even up to 30) is busy pursuing indoor recreation like X-box, iPod,
Wii, Facebook, and big screen TV. They may get their nature experiences by
playing a wildlife adventure or outdoor simulation game now and then, if they
can spare the time from the RPGs.Try taking the survey among people
of age 30 and over, folks who didn't necessarily grow up tethered to
computers, video games, cell phones, and MP3 players. I suspect the percentage
of people who get out and enjoy the real world around them will be much higher.
As ol timers fade away, outdoor recreation is transitioning from the once
necessary primal activities (hunting, fishing) toward the more active (hiking,
climbing, boating, cycling, biking, etc.). Hope Utah DW can adapt (i.e.,
reallocate resources to meet public changes).
I'll tell you why we stopped fishing. We used to go fishing up American
Fork canyon a lot. I was fine having to buy a license but not it isn't
just a license. Now we have to pay to get a pass just to drive up our canyon.
Once I buy a license for the kids and pay the access fee to get into the canyon,
it just seems like I am getting gouged. I know people will say it isn't
that much and in reality it isn't. It is the mental aspect of now having
to pay for something I used to be able to do for free. I already pay taxes, why
should i have to pay another user fee just to drive on the road?I'm guessing that there are many more that are in the same boat.
It used to be that the entire family packed up and left town for "the
hunt" which conveniently coincided with the teachers' conference
weekend. Ahyone who wanted could get a tag, and the whole family got tags, even
if only a few actually hunted, and the could go anywhere in the state.The restricted areas, lottery drawings for tags and general hassle, and the
shifting of the UEA weekend have all combined to diminish the opportunity for,
and interest in hunting among family members.Go back to the old
system and the numbers will increase dramatically. And, the state
needs to keep a careful eye on the rising wolf population which is decimating
game herds in neighboring states. That predation needs to be controlled to
preserve hunting opportunities.
property access is crazy. dwr is poorly run. i'll hunt in Idaho, Wyoming
and Nebraska anytime over hunting in utah
Growth into habitat by subdivisions has cut participation. It use to be a family
outing with everyone carrying a tag. Restricted hunting cuts out the family in
many cases.As far as fishing, the governor messing with stream
access after the courts ruled them open, then buying some access with tax
dollars before it went to court again, soured me on it. No use
getting it in your system. If the Feds turn over the land it will end up in
Of course many people have quit hunting since 1991. I remember my first deer
tag, I bought it over the counter and hunted with my dad and other family. The
next year is when the draw system started and since then I have hunted, on
average, about every 3rd year. As a youth I never got to start the habit of big
game hunting. These other states with high participation rates generally
don't screw with the hunting public but encourage and facilitate